(09-01-2017, 12:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 12:30 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]This is what a post devoid of all brain cells looks like, ladies and gentlemen.
Stop falling for lame troll bait and post about football. Personal attacks are not permitted.
(Final friendly warning.)
Personal attacks? Lol
I doubt we will win many games any way. no need to "tank"
(09-01-2017, 06:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2017, 11:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'll take "Bad Analogies" for $500, Alex.
(09-01-2017, 12:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Stop falling for lame troll bait and post about football. Personal attacks are not permitted.
(Final friendly warning.)
Ummm...
Sasquatch compared to a short QB is a bad analogy. No?
I didn't call him stupid, or "devoid of brain cells." Just pointed out a bad analogy.
(09-01-2017, 07:31 AM)trunt87 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol thread police nycjags
(09-01-2017, 08:31 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][
You guys don't realize how many PMs and mod reports I get from posters whining about "personal attacks."
I'm trying to keep it civil. Sue me.
ON tOPIC:
Two of Allen's picks are of real concern if you're of the mind to keep the kid as a back-up. He seems smart enough to be coached up on it, but one was a bad decision to even throw it, and the other was a poorly placed ball.
At least he was moving the offense...
Oh and 2 of the 3 balls were tipped passes.
With one of those tips being kinds fluky with the OL guy disengaging with the DL guy that dropped back and got a finger on it....
That ball was a TD throw when Allen made his decision..
Either way, you hate to see those INTs...
I wouldn't say he was a Bortles clone though. He was decisive and quick and has zip on his ball that neither of our other QBs have.
I still don't think he makes it to the PS..... I sure hope they don't cut this kid.
Maybe he needs a little more seasoning... maybe he needs someone other than Westbrook out there with him with some talent...
Anywho... even after the INTs the kid went right back to driving the offense down the field.
Bortles usually starts to crumble and pile up mistakes....
(08-31-2017, 10:26 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Brandon Allen, He looks like Bortles 2.0. At least Bortles has more experience. Allen is better than Henne right now and should probably be the legit backup.. He is no saviour if that is what you were hoping for..
Time to cut Bortles and start Allen. Prepare him to be the backup next year. Find another veteran on the cheap and hope he learn the system quick, then cut Henne. The direction is the same anyway regardless who starts, might as well save some money.
And I can't believe the family watched last night's game, just because it was not Bortles starting...
Allen threw 3 picks to guys who will be selling used cars or playing desk jockey on Monday.
That wasn't exactly confidence inspiring. I don't think the front office will see it as a positive. My bet is that they keep Henne, push Allen to the practice squad, and look to the future to find a viable alternative should Bortles not turn things around this season.
I think Allen is a guy you can definitely groom to be your backup, but he's not ready. Put him behind the line in the opener against Houston and we'll be opining the days when he only threw 3 picks.
Poor 02 must be beside himself knowing he got a tattoo of Allen's face anticipating his great surge to the starting gig.
Quote:Poor 02 must be beside himself knowing he got a tattoo of Allen's face anticipating his great surge to the starting gig.
Please tell me this is a true story.
Allen looked like a backup QB. He took some chances that didn't pay off and had some nice throws. He had nice chemistry with Westrbook even though he seemed to zero in on him a little.
I would like to see Allen remain on the roster this year, even if that means moving on from Henne.
(09-01-2017, 10:29 AM)Takedakai Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Poor 02 must be beside himself knowing he got a tattoo of Allen's face anticipating his great surge to the starting gig.
Please tell me this is a true story.
Allen looked like a backup QB. He took some chances that didn't pay off and had some nice throws. He had nice chemistry with Westrbook even though he seemed to zero in on him a little.
I would like to see Allen remain on the roster this year, even if that means moving on from Henne.
With as much love as 02 has expressed for Allen, it's either a tattoo, or they're related.
Allen has PS eligibility. After the performance last night, I think we could move him to the practice squad without fear of losing him to another team.
(09-01-2017, 10:42 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 10:29 AM)Takedakai Wrote: [ -> ]Please tell me this is a true story.
Allen looked like a backup QB. He took some chances that didn't pay off and had some nice throws. He had nice chemistry with Westrbook even though he seemed to zero in on him a little.
I would like to see Allen remain on the roster this year, even if that means moving on from Henne.
With as much love as 02 has expressed for Allen, it's either a tattoo, or they're related.
Allen has PS eligibility. After the performance last night, I think we could move him to the practice squad without fear of losing him to another team.
I know you are kidding (mostly) here, but it's hard to blame posters for falling into that "unknown QB should start" trap after the quagmire we've been wading through at the position for several years.
At this point, I think it would be a bit of a gamble to move on from Henne and name Allen the back-up. Not sure this F.O. and coaching staff are going to roll those dice.
Whether or not they carry 3 QBs on the 53 is the big question.
He'd
probably be safe on the PS.
(09-01-2017, 10:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 10:42 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]With as much love as 02 has expressed for Allen, it's either a tattoo, or they're related.
Allen has PS eligibility. After the performance last night, I think we could move him to the practice squad without fear of losing him to another team.
I know you are kidding (mostly) here, but it's hard to blame posters for falling into that "unknown QB should start" trap after the quagmire we've been wading through at the position for several years.
At this point, I think it would be a bit of a gamble to move on from Henne and name Allen the back-up. Not sure this F.O. and coaching staff are going to roll those dice.
Whether or not they carry 3 QBs on the 53 is the big question.
He'd probably be safe on the PS.
Maybe just a little.
02 does have a bit of an obsession with Allen, so it's an easy target.
I agree that I think the team is going to be reluctant to move on from Henne and go with Allen as the #2. I think the only way you see them moving on from Henne is if there is another QB who is released this weekend that represents an upgrade at the backup position, in which case they'd probably do something. The odds of that happening? Slim to none.
I have to side with Marrone on Allen's play last night. Aside from the 3 interceptions, I thought he played well. Pretty accurate with his throws. Has a good pocket awareness and escapability (prerequisite for taking snaps behind our O line). Throws on the run well. Showed some touch on some passes. And scrambles well too. I think his decision making can be improved with coaching. He has some intangibles that Henne will never possess. I don't see why he can't be the 2nd QB for this team. No one is expecting much out of Blake, and Allen certainly couldn't be any less effective than Henne if Blake were to get hurt. Let Allen develop and see what happens. Chad has reached his ceiling.
I missed the game sadly. I saw some clips though, 2 were hardly "his fault" but they still count the same.. I still would want him at QB2, and develop him some more.
(09-01-2017, 08:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 06:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ummm...
Sasquatch compared to a short QB is a bad analogy. No?
I didn't call him stupid, or "devoid of brain cells." Just pointed out a bad analogy.
Again, nobody called anyone "devoid of brain cells." The post was devoid of such, meaning it was a dumb post, lacking any logical thought.
(09-01-2017, 11:16 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 08:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Sasquatch compared to a short QB is a bad analogy. No?
I didn't call him stupid, or "devoid of brain cells." Just pointed out a bad analogy.
Again, nobody called anyone "devoid of brain cells." The post was devoid of such, meaning it was a dumb post, lacking any logical thought.
A board member made the post. Posts don't have brain cells, board members do. Attacking a post is attacking it's composer.
Alas - we don't need to hash out the semantics of your insult.
I was merely attempting to keep it civil after a rash of PMs and mod reports received on such matters. You didn't receive a formal warning, so just let it go and stay on topic.
I tried explaining Allen's deficiencies months ago and was attacked so it feels good to have some ocular proof in a sense, but I still like him as a player to develop into a solid career back-up - he is still PS eligible and I don't think a team would put in a waiver claim for him.
The Westbrook TD was perfect, it's a shame he doesn't have the arm strength to do things like that more consistently where he hits a WR in time. Then the 2nd Pick to Grace was so bad, he really struggled to drive the ball on a rushed throw. That's one of the benefits to top end arm strength and the final pick was truly a phenomenal play by the DE but that's another throw that an experienced Vet can adjust to by keeping the ball high and not within a DE's arm span. NFL DE's look for sidearm throws like that and he got exposed.
Allen doesn't have the elite arm strength to put the ball where he want's, he can create a distance but he doesn't have the strength to force velocity and manipulate the curve of the ball. I still think he can carve a defense when he wants. He's been playing QB forever and has all the best prep-school training, etc. I still might rather see him Start over Blake or Chad if he was further along, but he's still not better than Blake/Chad yet. The gap is too big despite how bad this group has been.
(09-01-2017, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 11:16 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]Again, nobody called anyone "devoid of brain cells." The post was devoid of such, meaning it was a dumb post, lacking any logical thought.
A board member made the post. Posts don't have brain cells, board members do. Attacking a post is attacking it's composer.
Alas - we don't need to hash out the semantics of your insult.
I was merely attempting to keep it civil after a rash of PMs and mod reports received on such matters. You didn't receive a formal warning, so just let it go and stay on topic.
Fair enough. Just call it even across the board, including mod and admins. I've seen much, much worse from many of them without warning.
(09-01-2017, 11:33 AM)TheAll22 Wrote: [ -> ]I tried explaining Allen's deficiencies months ago and was attacked ...
The Westbrook TD was perfect, it's a shame he doesn't have the arm strength to do things like that more consistently where he hits a WR in time...
Allen doesn't have the elite arm strength to put the ball where he want's...
While I didn't agree with all of your points in that post from months back, I have noticed that he does have a tendency to "heave" the ball (on deeper throws) as you suggested, and his velocity is sometimes sub-par when he doesn't do that.
Nonetheless, he's had some success with that "heaving" motion when he's got protection and a guy like Westbrook to heave it to.
He's got enough velocity on the short stuff, and can heave it effectively on the deeper stuff.
It's his lack of velocity on intermediate throws that stand out as a weakness to me. He'll need a clean pocket and great timing on his pass to complete those IMO.
For instance, the throw to Westbrook over the middle last week that was nearly picked, and the out route to the TE last night that was picked. One he just barely squeaked by on, and the second should have been thrown away as he couldn't step into it. (he should have just thrown that pass to Ellis out of bounds.)
I see it as a problem that can be mitigated with the right playbook and coaching.
(09-01-2017, 11:34 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2017, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]A board member made the post. Posts don't have brain cells, board members do. Attacking a post is attacking it's composer.
Alas - we don't need to hash out the semantics of your insult.
I was merely attempting to keep it civil after a rash of PMs and mod reports received on such matters. You didn't receive a formal warning, so just let it go and stay on topic.
Fair enough. Just call it even across the board, including mod and admins. I've seen much, much worse from many of them without warning.
Will do. Thank you.
(08-31-2017, 10:41 PM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ]If he was 5" taller and didn't throw more picks than Bortles he'd be great! Osweiler
Fixed
(09-01-2017, 10:06 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Poor 02 must be beside himself knowing he got a tattoo of Allen's face anticipating his great surge to the starting gig.
This is totally unnecessary.