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(09-11-2017, 05:33 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 05:31 PM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]It hit him in the hands.....

You're thinking of a different pass.

How can I be thinking of a different pass than the one that I myself specifically mentioned to begin with?

(09-11-2017, 05:37 PM)mvannostran Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 05:33 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]You're thinking of a different pass.

How can I be thinking of a different pass than the one that I myself specifically mentioned to begin with?

Never mind.

The difference is he had good play from the rest of the team for first time. Which is why wins is a pointless stat. To compare qbs

(09-11-2017, 06:01 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]The difference is he had good play from the rest of the team for first time. Which is why wins is a pointless stat. To compare qbs

Wrong. The pass catchers did not help him enough and he has had help from other players since 2014.

Yeah we will be drafting a QB at some point next year but if he win 8 to 10 games he will be the starting QB next year so please accept it. You know Mariota and Dak Prescott throw in the average of 20 to 25 passenger game last year right but I guess that's only for Blake. LOL

(09-11-2017, 06:30 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah we will be drafting a QB next year but if you win 8 to 10 day he would be the starting QB next year so please accept it. You know Mariota and Dak Prescott dude in the average of 20 to 25 passenger game last year right but I guess that's only for Blake. LOL

If Blake wins us 8-10 games then of course he should be the starter going into next year. Most QBs throw somewhere in the 500 passes range which is about 30 a game. 

Dak threw 459 which is 28 a game. 
Smith and Mariota averaged 30.
Matt Ryan 33.

Consider we most likely won't be running with a lead like that every week. Keeping Blake right around 30 or under is plenty realistic. Compared to the 39 he averaged last year.

I don't think there's any question they'll pick a QB next year no matter how well he plays. If he plays well enough they'll probably keep him to start the season until the rookie is ready or if they decide to sit the rookie for a year.

(09-10-2017, 08:54 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ]Blake didn't do anything special.He just managed the game. How the defense was playing it took all the pressure off the offense. Also Fournette is the truth.

(09-11-2017, 05:07 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 04:46 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]If he wins 8 to 10 games he is our QB next year so please get used to it.

We'll be drafting a QB next year.  He was limited to 21 throws for a reason.

Yea he was limited to 21 throws for a reason... That reason was because the Defense was dominating and the Running game was actually working. 

For the first time he wasn't being asked to do everything and carry the Offense all on his arm alone.

If Blake has a really good year the team may well want to hang onto him. How good should a QB be to earn better than 19 million for a season?

We still need to draft a q.b. in rounds 1 or 2. A class this deep in quarterbacks is rare and it would also give them the option at some point to trade one for a high draft pick.

We saw the same Bortles we saw the last two weeks of last season, didn't we?

Looking like he was handicapped by the Gus Bus. And improved when we got a real coach in charge.

(09-11-2017, 06:51 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2017, 08:54 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ]Blake didn't do anything special.He just managed the game. How the defense was playing it took all the pressure off the offense. Also Fournette is the truth.

(09-11-2017, 05:07 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]We'll be drafting a QB next year.  He was limited to 21 throws for a reason.

Yea he was limited to 21 throws for a reason... That reason was because the Defense was dominating and the Running game was actually working. 

For the first time he wasn't being asked to do everything and carry the Offense all on his arm alone.

You're making my point for me...when the time comes that we need our QB to carry the offense himself he's unable to do it.  He wasn't even that good yesterday.  That was a marginal performance at best.  The run game and defense carried us to victory which will need often this year.

(09-11-2017, 07:05 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 06:51 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea he was limited to 21 throws for a reason... That reason was because the Defense was dominating and the Running game was actually working. 

For the first time he wasn't being asked to do everything and carry the Offense all on his arm alone.

You're making my point for me...when the time comes that we need our QB to carry the offense himself he's unable to do it.  He wasn't even that good yesterday.  That was a marginal performance at best.  The run game and defense carried us to victory which will need often this year.

Of course we're going to draft a QB next year. The class is too deep not to. But what exactly did Bortles do bad yesterday? He didn't light up the stat sheet bc he didn't need to. Why throw when you can just run at will?

(09-11-2017, 07:05 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 06:51 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea he was limited to 21 throws for a reason... That reason was because the Defense was dominating and the Running game was actually working. 

For the first time he wasn't being asked to do everything and carry the Offense all on his arm alone.

You're making my point for me...when the time comes that we need our QB to carry the offense himself he's unable to do it.  He wasn't even that good yesterday.  That was a marginal performance at best.  The run game and defense carried us to victory which will need often this year.

He led the team down the field on a 10 play, 75 yard drive right after the Texans got gifted their 7 points..

He had a clutch 3rd and 8 throw over the middle to Hurns for 13 yards. He had a clutch run of 15 yards that kept the chains moving on that drive.

If they go 3 and out on that drive, the Texans have all the momentum and there's life back in that building. Instead, Bortles calmly led them down the field for a TD. Energy and life was then completely gone from the building and the game was absolutely over at that point.

(09-10-2017, 08:54 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ]Blake didn't do anything special.He just managed the game. How the defense was playing it took all the pressure off the offense. Also Fournette is the truth.

Well actually, he did do some good things:

for starters, he didn't do anything overtly stupid to give the game away. No picks (though he did have a close one), no fumbles.

secondly, after watson made some yards with his legs during their scoring drive (with no small amount of help from the refs) bortles came out and did a very nicely executed quarterback keeper and picked up good yardage with his legs.

thirdly, given the absolutly pathetic way his passes have wobbled through the air before, he was throwing nice tight spirals; to bad we had so many drops of passes that really, really, should have been caught!

Doing something 'special' (more often than not) isn't about 'grandstanding'.... it's about consistant sound play. Bortles played a sound game against the texans. Absolutely he was helped by having a semblance of a useful running game for a change so he wasn't having to try to do it all with his arm. In this game, we ran more than we threw which tended to take the wind out of Houstons pass rushing defence. That was intelligent game planning for a change! 

We have a much improved defence which looked even better than maybe they really are due to Houstons offensive line woes. I don't think that what happened during the first half of that game was entirely savages fault... his line wasn't helping him much at all.

(09-11-2017, 06:53 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]If Blake has a really good year the team may well want to hang onto him. How good should a QB be to earn better than 19 million for a season?

His 2018 salary is $18 million. Under fifth year option rules, every penny is only guaranteed if the player gets hurt, so we could cut him any time without being on the hook. But there is no reason to grant him a fifth season if we don't truly believe he can lead us to the playoffs by 2019, even if he is just a game manager. If he does not repeat his 2015 success (35 touchdowns and 4,428 yards passing) in 2018, we know he is not worth $18 million annually with a regular veteran contract.

(09-11-2017, 10:01 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2017, 06:53 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]If Blake has a really good year the team may well want to hang onto him. How good should a QB be to earn better than 19 million for a season?

His 2018 salary is $18 million. Under fifth year option rules, every penny is only guaranteed if the player gets hurt, so we could cut him any time without being on the hook. But there is no reason to grant him a fifth season if we don't truly believe he can lead us to the playoffs by 2019, even if he is just a game manager. If he does not repeat his 2015 success (35 touchdowns and 4,428 yards passing) in 2018, we know he is not worth $18 million annually with a regular veteran contract.

Well said!
Just one thing to remember. Limiting Blake's passing attempts won't allow him, in all likelihood, to put up those kind of numbers.

Horsecrap. If he's a 28 and 10 guy this year then hes the starter next season.

And 19 million is hardly rich for a qb contract.

He had no reason to panic. The line had initial protection and we could win in the trenches most of the time. He could throw checkdowns for first downs. Showed pocket awareness and poise. The stats weren't great but no turnovers and no big negative plays. Much like Alex Smith a change in system completely changed the national perspective on the player. Now he's one of the better QB's in the league and has had a long career. Good coaching, smart scheme, physical team, I would expect positive results from Bortles. However, if we get into a shootout and fall behind and ask a lot out of him it's time to expect the worst.

When your able to physically impose your will up front and keep the opposing defense on the field their pass rush deteriorates as the game goes. I'm glad we kept the read option wrinkle in our offense.

He played well in a game managerish sense. His completion percentage was still not good and he didn't pass for very many yards. I expect he'll find himself in situations this year where the game is in question late in the 4th and his arm and mind will determine if we win or not. Those are the situations I'm looking forward to as I'd like to know what we have in him going into next year's draft. We're still likely drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd regardless of how this season goes though.