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Wow.. You took the time to learn Jdub's language..


Such a scholar..

My gripe is when the commentator said that the refs don't have the ability to freeze frame shots in the replay booth. Are we still living in the 90's?

Quote:My gripe is when the commentator said that the refs don't have the ability to freeze frame shots in the replay booth. Are we still living in the 90's?

 

After watching the twitter video, not having the ability to freeze camera shots makes sense. The freeze frame will always show that the player has control. I'm not sure that they don't have the ability. I think it's more of, they aren't given the ability.

Quote:Indisputable visual evidence is what they call it. The ball was clearly not moving at all in Chris Ivory's hand when it crossed the goal line. There is no way you can see what CBS did and deny what Gene Steratore needed to overturn the call was there.

 

Well, since it's disputed, you can't say it's indisputable.  I agree that it was a TD but I also agree the refs were following the letter of the rule book when they didn't overturn the call.

I don't understand how anyone can claim to "see" what honestly could not be seen from the cameras and angles.

You can see it clearly from one angle. I believe they need multiple angles to be able to overturn a call like that.


It was a bad call, surely. They were probably following every rule in the book when the ruling was upheld but it doesn't make it any less of a bad call.


I joked with my Brother who's a Cowboys fan who was watching the game with me. He said "That's a touchdown for sure" as they were reviewing it. I said "Yeah but it'll be ruled a fumble # becausejaguars." Wish my Fandom wasn't such a joke.

TD. 

Quote:You can see it clearly from one angle. I believe they need multiple angles to be able to overturn a call like that.


It was a bad call, surely. They were probably following every rule in the book when the ruling was upheld but it doesn't make it any less of a bad call.


I joked with my Brother who's a Cowboys fan who was watching the game with me. He said "That's a touchdown for sure" as they were reviewing it. I said "Yeah but it'll be ruled a fumble # becausejaguars." Wish my Fandom wasn't such a joke.

 

False.

 

It's crystal clear that the ball can't be seen as he approaches the end zone.  The only thing that can be seen is the before and after.  View of the ball is blocked by the players on the field.

How often does Blandino say the refs were wrong?  Does he ever?  Maybe I only see the calls he agrees with but it seems like he typically thinks the refs are right.  Which makes sense given his job.

 

In this case I don't think there was enough evidence to overturn it.  I think the call would have been the same had it been initially called a TD.  It would have been tough to overturn either way.

Quote:My gripe is when the commentator said that the refs don't have the ability to freeze frame shots in the replay booth. Are we still living in the 90s?

 

He said they are not allowed to freeze the play. Which is unfortunate because the evidence was only indisputable when CBS paused it.

Quote:Well, since it's disputed, you can't say it's indisputable. I agree that it was a TD but I also agree the refs were following the letter of the rule book when they didn't overturn the call.

 

The evidence is not disputed. Only Gene Steratore and his assistants had the guts to say it was not a TD.

Makes no sense that they don't freeze frame in the booth. So often the only way to know if a player has two feet in bounds in a catch is to freeze it. Such a screw over but whatever.

Quote:He said they are not allowed to freeze the play. Which is unfortunate because the evidence was only indisputable when CBS paused it.

 

It's even disuputable after the pause because there's no way of knowing whether or not it's already coming out at that point.

Quote:I don't understand how anyone can claim to "see" what honestly could not be seen from the cameras and angles.

 

The replay system has been in existence since 1999. Not once have I ever heard anyone say multiple camera angles must show evidence the runner had complete control of the ball. Calls often stand because you can see the knee, but not the ball, from one angle and the ball, but not the knee, from another. In this case the knee was not an issue.

 

The problem was in order to clearly see the location of the ball when Chris Ivory fumbled it, Gene Steratore would have had to freeze the frame. Spero Dedes explained this several minutes later.

Quote:It's even disputable after the pause because there's no way of knowing whether or not it's already coming out at that point.

 

No it's not. Did you watch CBS replays? It was clear on the frozen frame Chris Ivory had complete control of the ball when it was in the end zone.

Quote:No it's not. Did you watch CBS replays? It was clear on the frozen frame Chris Ivory had complete control of the ball when it was in the end zone.

 

No, it was not clear he had complete control.

I'm pretty sure he scored.  But I dont know for a 100% fact because our view down the line is blocked.  #jaguars

It's one of those plays unfortunately.  Too many other players in the way to know when the fumble occurred in real time and one freeze frame that kinda suggests it didn't get fumbled until after it crossed the goal line but was not definitive enough to over turn.  This game was handed to us on a silver platter with how many of their stars were already out or went out during the game, but the Jags offense and special teams accounted for almost every point scored in this game and too many of them were against us.

Quote:I'm pretty sure he scored.  But I dont know for a 100% fact because our view down the line is blocked.  #jaguars

 

I'd like to believe that, too.  But like you said... unfortunately we can't see to know for sure.

Quote:No, it was not clear he had complete control.

 

Not in the replay, but when CBS paused it, I could see he had complete control with the ball in the end zone. I also would have ruled there was no indisputable visual evidence if CBS was not capable of freezing it.