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Bottom line is that it wasn't called a TD...get over it.

 

It shouldn't have had to matter anyways had we not had so many turnovers.

Refs don't get to watch instant replay in slow motion. They re watch the plays at full speed. The call wouldn't have been overturned either way. Bad things happen to bad teams, and this is a great example.

Quote:It's one of those plays unfortunately.  Too many other players in the way to know when the fumble occurred in real time and one freeze frame that kinda suggests it didn't get fumbled until after it crossed the goal line but was not definitive enough to over turn.  This game was handed to us on a silver platter with how many of their stars were already out or went out during the game, but the Jags offense and special teams accounted for almost every point scored in this game and too many of them were against us.

 

That happens way too often and there is nothing the NFL can do about it. Just part of the game when 22 players are on the field. That does not bother me, but it is very confusing when two angles seem to contradict each other. Sometimes I see a play where it looks obvious the runner fumbled from one angle, but from another angle it seems clear he did not.

Quote:Refs don't get to watch instant replay in slow motion. They re watch the plays at full speed. The call wouldn't have been overturned either way. Bad things happen to bad teams, and this is a great example.

 

The referee gets to watch it in slow motion when he is under the hood, right?

Anybody else find themselves laughing at the TV every time the Jags made a stupid mistake.  I did...that's how much I care this year.

 

It's like...WELP

Quote:The evidence is not disputed. Only Gene Steratore and his assistants had the guts to say it was not a TD.

 

The evidence to overturn the call is not indisputable.  Also, they didn't say "we reviewed it and it's not a TD", they said "we reviewed it and the play stands".  The call on the field takes precedence.  That's a very subtle but important nuance with replay.  Personally, I think it sucks and that they should just get the damn call right but that's not the way the rule is written.

Mike Pereira says of course the refs have/use freeze frame on reviews.

 

https://twitter.com/MikePereira/status/7...5856687104

Quote:The evidence to overturn the call is not indisputable.  Also, they didn't say "we reviewed it and it's not a TD", they said "we reviewed it and the play stands".  The call on the field takes precedence.  That's a very subtle but important nuance with replay.  Personally, I think it sucks and that they should just get the damn call right but that's not the way the rule is written.

 

As I explained earlier, pressing a pause button would have clearly shown Chris Ivory had complete control of the ball if referees were allowed to freeze frames. It was one of those plays where the referee can't do what he needs to do during the review, which happens a lot. Regardless, we got screwed because it should have been ruled a TD in the first place.

Quote:As I explained earlier, pressing a pause button would have clearly shown Chris Ivory had complete control of the ball if referees were allowed to freeze frames. It was one of those plays where the referee can't do what he needs to do during the review, which happens a lot. Regardless, we got screwed because it should have been ruled a TD in the first place.

 

Why do you keep saying this when it simply isn't true?

 

You cannot tell if someone had full possession with a freeze frame alone.  That does not show control.  You would have to have also seen the moments before to know whether or not it was coming out, and that moment is blocked from view.

Quote:Anybody else find themselves laughing at the TV every time the Jags made a stupid mistake.  I did...that's how much I care this year.

 

It's like...WELP

 

Yes..   very much so.  I was cackling like a madman during the first punt return fumble.  My kids had very concerned looks on their faces.

Yep, and the interception, and the fumble...and the interception we had and Gibson knocked it out.  That was comical.

Quote:Yep, and the interception, and the fumble...and the interception we had and Gibson knocked it out.  That was comical.

 

Yeah that was pure comedy gold.  Watching their TE get ejected and our defense making fun of him was misery for me.  We are getting our buts handed to us constantly and they looked foolish.

I don't even understand what there is to argue about. I see people in here saying it wasn't clear. It was clear when the entire ball was across the plane, so if he had posession of it when it was completely across the plane, is it not safe to assume he DEFINITELY had possession of it when the nose of the ball first broke the plane? 

 

Argue about semantics all you want, but plenty of teams would have had that called in their favor. 

Quote:I hope the day comes when the NFL is confident enough about using microchip laser technology to help make determinations on plays such as this one. 

 

It's more than understandable that Jaguars players and fans thought this play was a TD.  If the call on the field was a TD,  it would have been very difficult to overturn the call. 

 

Bingo.

Quote:Why do you keep saying this when it simply isn't true?

 

You cannot tell if someone had full possession with a freeze frame alone.  That does not show control.  You would have to have also seen the moments before to know whether or not it was coming out, and that moment is blocked from view.

 

CBS showed Chris Ivory flying over the goal line with the ball in his control, then froze the frame. It was not moving before someone pressed the pause button.

Quote:Mike Pereira says of course the refs have/use freeze frame on reviews.

 

https://twitter.com/MikePereira/status/7...5856687104

More proof that we got screwed.

Quote:Microchip laser technology is coming someday, and it is needed.


However, with the type of play that happened yesterday, how does the chip/laser technology prove that Ivory still had control of the ball there? Technology would only confirm the ball crossed the plane, even if Ivory wasn't controlling it at that point.


It looked to me like it was a controlled TD crossing the plane. The incontrovertible issue was the difficult part.

 

Quote:There would also be a sensor in the ball to clarify its relationship to Ivory's hand, I guess.

 

Microchips could work well to prove any of that. The design of the chip would just need to be elongated along the long axis (length) of the football. In that case, it would not be hard to put a speedometer, accelerometer, and gyroscope within the sensor to determine it's speed, if it is speeding up in a direction and what direction, as well as if it moving straight or spinning.  Now that level of sophisticated analysis may beyond most NFL referees, but isn't that purpose of having the league office look at replays. They could easily have the expertise to analyze that data.

 

To make things easier may be to include some sort of similar microchip in players gloves. That way if the speed and direction of the ball and glove match, you could reasonably say they still have possession. If tested and vetted enough, that may even make it easier to determine possession on catches also( instead of the ridiculous way we do it now) and fumble vs incomplete passes on sacks/QB hits.  

There's an inherent flaw in the current system that everyone is overlooking. That is, the refs are told to error on the side of calling the fumble because it will allow them to review the play. Now they review scoring plays too, but the tendency to error toward calling the fumble is now ingrained nonetheless.

People still care about this?


Seasons over folks.

The doom of a team is needing a group outside of their locker room to help them win.  This team isn't going to get the calls and needs to just play and dominiate.  This team has this timid nature that drives me crazy.  Every inch gained comes at an expenditure of way way too much effort.  Nothing looks fun, exciting or natural.  It looks like an internal war between the QB and his surroundings.