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Quote:And people called me a troll when I said bortles stats last season were garbage time.

 

Well, that's because they weren't.

Quote:How could anybody call you a troll? You are probably the most knowledgeable and mild mannered poster on this board. Besides me of course.

Lol, some people just cant handle the truth

Dave might be worse than Gene Smith. At least Gene Smith didn't draft 3 straight busts with his top 2-3 picks! And Dave's first draft is a wasteland every bit deserving of Gene Smith, except Gene Smith didn't even pick as high! And Dave's 2015 draft is looking just as bad right now. Fowler sucks in the role they intended him to play, Yeldon sucks, Cann sucks, Greene barely plays, Sample doesn't exist. And so far even Jack doesn't look like he's doing anything. It could almost be argued Dave's ONLY good pick in the past 2 YEARS has been Jalen Ramsey, and that was so obvious you can't even give him credit for it.

Quote:Dave might be worse than Gene Smith. At least Gene Smith didn't draft 3 straight busts with his top 2-3 picks! And Dave's first draft is a wasteland every bit deserving of Gene Smith, except Gene Smith didn't even pick as high! And Dave's 2015 draft is looking just as bad right now. Fowler sucks in the role they intended him to play, Yeldon sucks, Cann sucks, Greene barely plays, Sample doesn't exist. And so far even Jack doesn't look like he's doing anything. It could almost be argued Dave's ONLY good pick in the past 2 YEARS has been Jalen Ramsey, and that was so obvious you can't even give him credit for it.

Cann isn't all that bad.

He sucks at run blocking, the thing he was supposed to be good at, and is mediocre in pass blocking at best right now. I would call him bad.

Quote:Well, that's because they weren't.

We can all argue about semantics of what garbage time entails, but we can't argue that 39% of Blake's stats came when we were trailing by 10+ points and the next highest QB in the NFL was Carr with 24%. That's a very large gap over the #2 QB, much less the average QB. 

If tampa had a kicker they win cause oak misses fg at the end.


And carr loses throwing 514 and 4 tds.

Carr put his team in position to win multiple times. Bortles puts us in position to lose multiple times. Not even close.

Caldwell deserves to be fired for our horrible first round picks and picking the wrong QB.

Quote:Carr put his team in position to win multiple times. Bortles puts us in position to lose multiple times. Not even close.

 

Unless you're talking to Spacecoastjag, I think everyone is in agreement that Carr is playing far better than Bortles right now.

Quote:Unless you're talking to Spacecoastjag, I think everyone is in agreement that Carr is playing far better than Bortles right now.

Read cdnjagfan's post.

Quote:Read cdnjagfan's post.

 

My bad there.

Dave has a flaw in his planning. He drafted according to their bad plan. The weird focus on offense while ignoring the defense for two years is odd. Hindsight does make it worse than reality but nothing is working right now.

Not saying bortles is playing better, but on this board everyone is like, omg bortles sucks, he throws lots of picks, last year how many games did Bortles put team in position to win amd meyers lose it.


Carr does the same fg misses, tb can't win but somehow carr won this game? Whatever bortles has going on is a fix only he can fix, is it coaching or is it him not sure. But ive seen bortles throw some great footballs and he can throw then just as good as the best, he needs to fix his issues to be more consistent.

Quote:Not saying bortles is playing better, but on this board everyone is like, omg bortles sucks, he throws lots of picks, last year how many games did Bortles put team in position to win amd meyers lose it.


Carr does the same fg misses, tb can't win but somehow carr won this game? Whatever bortles has going on is a fix only he can fix, is it coaching or is it him not sure. But ive seen bortles throw some great footballs and he can throw then just as good as the best, he needs to fix his issues to be more consistent.

Dude, you cannot compare the two. Carr is light years ahead of Bortles. Not even close.

im cool with not taking cooper, if i could do it over id take Leonard williams. Still an indictment on the staff either way

So far, bortles is number 5 in passing stats this week. Should be a asterisk, garbage time stats

@AdamSchefter Derek Carr set a Raiders single-game record with 513 pass yards and had the 20th 500-yard passing game in NFL history.

Quote:Dude, you cannot compare the two. Carr is light years ahead of Bortles. Not even close.

Dude im not saying bortles is better, but carr wins in overtime and the team wins cause TB can't kick extra points is no different than us last year losing games we should of won but missed xp or fgs.


Both are good qbs. Carr is more obvious that his mechanics are sound.


Bortles has work to be done and is it coaching or is it bortles. Watch him in 1st half holds ball low almost all the time. Once game is out of hand, he all of a sudden looks like a real QB with ball no lower than the waist throwing strikes.


He is also only 24 alot of rookies are older than him. Maybe he needs time to mentally prepare himself by working on his deficiencies for a year.

Bortles is not in any way, shape, or form a good QB.