(11-27-2017, 03:34 AM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles had a good game but let it down with a pick. Frustrating but a Mariota/smith wouldn't fare any better. O line was awful. No running game. Terrible wrs. We really do criticise him unfairly.
Bortles did not have a good game. If teams actually respected bortles, fournette and our backs would have more room. They dialed in on the line of scrimmage, stopped the run, and blitzed Blake.
Blake had no answers. His passes were off target, no anticipation, not throwing receivers open.
I was fairly impressed with gabbert. He was throwing to spots the receivers needed to be and gave them a chance.
Bortles had a decent third quarter. I thought the rest of the game he looked completely inept.
I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.
On one end ya have a banged up o line and our top 2 receivers out. And a very dominent edge rusher.
However on the other end. Bortles will not single handedly win many if any games this year.
Our Elite D keeps us in games. Grant or Mickens helps us get field position. Take both them away. And we will be beat every time.
Bortles is a game manager and in same area as Garrard.
However, keep this in mind. Ten years ago Garrard got us to playoffs. And we have a much better D this time around.
I will not disrespect the One and Only Taylor Made or Mojo.
(11-27-2017, 10:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]On one end ya have a banged up o line and our top 2 receivers out. And a very dominent edge rusher.
However on the other end. Bortles will not single handedly win many if any games this year.
Our Elite D keeps us in games. Grant or Mickens helps us get field position. Take both them away. And we will be beat every time.
Bortles is a game manager and in same area as Garrard. However, keep this in mind. Ten years ago Garrard got us to playoffs. And we have a much better D this time around.
I will not disrespect the One and Only Taylor Made or Mojo.
As much as people don't want to hear it, our "top" 2 receivers aren't actually top receivers in the NFL. We need to address that position.
Bortles is a good guy. He played his heart out. He reminds me of a right handed mark brunell. That last interception he was baited by mathieu. It was just an unfortunate play that im sure he would like to have back. Bottom line is Blake is improving this season. Fans need to support him. Think how he would feel by reading this. 7-4 is pretty darn good
(11-27-2017, 10:18 AM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles is a good guy. He played his heart out. He reminds me of a right handed mark brunell. That last interception he was baited by mathieu. It was just an unfortunate play that im sure he would like to have back. Bottom line is Blake is improving this season. Fans need to support him. Think how he would feel by reading this. 7-4 is pretty darn good
I see what you did there. And I think Mariota is a good guy too and fans need to support him as well. 7-4 is pretty darn good.
(11-27-2017, 10:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017, 10:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]On one end ya have a banged up o line and our top 2 receivers out. And a very dominent edge rusher.
However on the other end. Bortles will not single handedly win many if any games this year.
Our Elite D keeps us in games. Grant or Mickens helps us get field position. Take both them away. And we will be beat every time.
Bortles is a game manager and in same area as Garrard. However, keep this in mind. Ten years ago Garrard got us to playoffs. And we have a much better D this time around.
I will not disrespect the One and Only Taylor Made or Mojo.
As much as people don't want to hear it, our "top" 2 receivers aren't actually top receivers in the NFL. We need to address that position.
I don't remember people complaining when they were both completely healthy and going for 1000+ and 10+ each
Back to this lol. This is how it’s gonna be every week. This is the nfl but more specifically for our team. We can beat anyone but unfortunately with the qb we have anyone can beat us. Since Blake is so bad everything else needs to be near perfect to win and with defensive players not playing up to par, defensive game plan issues and questionable game management, Blake was yet again shown for what we all know he is. A below avarrage qb. And that’s okay. We were never gonna win off his merit alone and to think we would is naivety. He can not hero ball us out of mistake from other areas and this should not be some new concept.
It’s okay. The team is 7-4. They will learn from their mistakes, clean up the game plan and go out and play the colts this week.
(11-27-2017, 10:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017, 10:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]On one end ya have a banged up o line and our top 2 receivers out. And a very dominent edge rusher.
However on the other end. Bortles will not single handedly win many if any games this year.
Our Elite D keeps us in games. Grant or Mickens helps us get field position. Take both them away. And we will be beat every time.
Bortles is a game manager and in same area as Garrard. However, keep this in mind. Ten years ago Garrard got us to playoffs. And we have a much better D this time around.
I will not disrespect the One and Only Taylor Made or Mojo.
As much as people don't want to hear it, our "top" 2 receivers aren't actually top receivers in the NFL. We need to address that position.
Robinson with a better QB is a really good receiver and Hurns while over paid. Can have his moments.
If Westbrook was as the number 3 or 4. In his rookie year he would be much more productive.
Or if Bortles was a wee more accurate. I used to be a really good receiver back in HS. And I am not 100 percent sure. I would have a high percentage of catches either. If was nfl caliber.
My point is ya can't break, turn, and re-gain speed and extend to catch a ball not even close. Over and over again. (Not to mention terrible spirals)
And it is unfair our receivers have to deal with a QB that is highly not accurate. And makes bone head throws at costly points during the game.
(11-27-2017, 10:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017, 10:18 AM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles is a good guy. He played his heart out. He reminds me of a right handed mark brunell. That last interception he was baited by mathieu. It was just an unfortunate play that im sure he would like to have back. Bottom line is Blake is improving this season. Fans need to support him. Think how he would feel by reading this. 7-4 is pretty darn good
I see what you did there. And I think Mariota is a good guy too and fans need to support him as well. 7-4 is pretty darn good.
Fans do support Mariota. His character goes a long way. It is hard to stay mad when he throws picks for no reason. But he also makes some unbelievable throws, like the one he dropped perfectly into walker with 4 colts surrounding him.
I hope both these qb's continue to improve. Flashes of greatness
(11-27-2017, 10:25 AM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017, 10:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I see what you did there. And I think Mariota is a good guy too and fans need to support him as well. 7-4 is pretty darn good.
Fans do support Mariota. His character goes a long way. It is hard to stay mad when he throws picks for no reason. But he also makes some unbelievable throws, like the one he dropped perfectly into walker with 4 colts surrounding him.
I hope both these qb's continue to improve. Flashes of greatness
pound for pound I hate to admit it. But Mariota is a better throwing QB then Bortles. However, ya have to be able to take nfl hits and still make plays. And by far Bortles is way more durable than Mariota.
(11-27-2017, 10:33 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017, 10:25 AM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ]Fans do support Mariota. His character goes a long way. It is hard to stay mad when he throws picks for no reason. But he also makes some unbelievable throws, like the one he dropped perfectly into walker with 4 colts surrounding him.
I hope both these qb's continue to improve. Flashes of greatness
pound for pound I hate to admit it. But Mariota is a better throwing QB then Bortles. However, ya have to be able to take nfl hits and still make plays. And by far Bortles is way more durable than Mariota.
There are HS QB's that throw a better ball than Bortles, but you put Mariota behind our line with our current run game, he looks like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmBZlGn10vM
(11-27-2017, 10:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles is a game manager and in same area as Garrard.
However, keep this in mind. Ten years ago Garrard got us to playoffs. And we have a much better D this time around.
And what happened the next season when we lost 3 o-linemen by the end of the first game?
Neither Bortles nor Garrard are/were the type of QBs to overcome multiple injuries on the o-line and/or injuries to the top 2 WRs. The difference is, I doubt this front office will make the same mistake of signing Bortles to an expensive long-term deal. Depending on what's available at what price in FA, Bortles may or may not be here next year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this team take a QB in the first four rounds regardless.
(11-26-2017, 09:58 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles is 2-0 without Fournette this year and 1-1 with an injured Fournette.
You mean, the games against the Colts and Bengals in which the Jags defense were playing completely out of their minds?!
The defense allowed a TOTAL of 7 points in those 2 games,, had continual sacks and 3 and outs, putting time of possession extremely in the Jags favor. (Yes, Bortles looked decent in those games. But let's not kid ourselves,, defense and special teams won those games).
Bortles also did everything he old to lose the Chargers game late in the 4th qtr. The defense refused to be defeated,, and won that one too.
Defense was not as good yesterday (although they DID score another TD,, and got a crucial INT late when the Jags needed it). Defense stepped back,, Bortles couldn't do it.
This team is all about the defense,, I'm sorry. If they don't play a stout game, or make some really key plays,, then the Jags likely lose. It's just the way it is.
I'm sick of hearing the bs from this fan base. Folks call in on the radio and say that Blake needs to go. People on social media killing Blake. What do you want him to do? The Oline was invisible. WRS were not making plays. Blake had two rushing TDs. He took multiple head shot and all. All for this team and this fan base. And because he threw a pick at a bad time, ya'll want to forget what he did for the rest of the game and crucify him? First off, that was a horrible play call in that position.
I'm sometimes embarrassed to be apart of this fan base because you people dont know football. Coaching was bad yesterday. OL was bad. WRs were bad. Defense was average.
But it means nothing because Blake Bortles is the blamegoat. Say what you will but the media has turned some of you into sheep.
Blake aint elite at all. But he looked above average yesterday.
He completed only 3 passes past 5 yards and zero past 10 yards. No matter who your WRs are, thats pathetic.
(11-27-2017, 11:43 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sick of hearing the bs from this fan base. Folks call in on the radio and say that Blake needs to go. People on social media killing Blake. What do you want him to do? The Oline was invisible. WRS were not making plays. Blake had two rushing TDs. He took multiple head shot and all. All for this team and this fan base. And because he threw a pick at a bad time, ya'll want to forget what he did for the rest of the game and crucify him? First off, that was a horrible play call in that position.
I'm sometimes embarrassed to be apart of this fan base because you people dont know football. Coaching was bad yesterday. OL was bad. WRs were bad. Defense was average.
But it means nothing because Blake Bortles is the blamegoat. Say what you will but the media has turned some of you into sheep.
Blake aint elite at all. But he looked above average yesterday.
I would agree with you except that in yesterday's case, Bortles was <50% throwing the ball for most of the day... (He is a QB not a RB) so while his rushing ability was about the only thing working, some of that has to do with his deficiencies as a QB.
Yes... the WRs and OL is banged up... yes the playcalling was suspect for the 2nd or 3rd game this year... And those aspects surely deserve their share of the blame.
But we see the same thing out of Bortles every week. And his best games come AFTER the D gifts him field position or a lead.
We've seen this team drag Bortles across the finish line and rarely see him put the team on his back.
Our D>Cardinals D
yet Bortles couldn't even must to put the ball on target enough for the guys to make plays. Every team deals with injuries, drops, etc etc... That's when you find out what you really have in a QB.
Our has heart... he's got grit and guts and all that stuff... And that is awesome ... it makes me root for the guy and really WANT him to be "the guy".
But he isn't... he's just not THAT good.
It was another bad game from Bortles in which even marginal improvement in accuracy and decision making probably gives us a win. The defense was far from perfect, Church was burned a couple times, when Smith went out we got burned by a backup...
We only lost by 3... but that's with a defensive TD. Bortles has to be better and I don't think it is possible for him to actually be any better.
This team is still talented enough to get to 10 wins... but man... we'll be pushing, pulling, and draggin ol Bortles along the way, outside of when he possibly lights up terrible teams like SF and Indy
(11-27-2017, 11:43 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sick of hearing the bs from this fan base. Folks call in on the radio and say that Blake needs to go. People on social media killing Blake. What do you want him to do? The Oline was invisible. WRS were not making plays. Blake had two rushing TDs. He took multiple head shot and all. All for this team and this fan base. And because he threw a pick at a bad time, ya'll want to forget what he did for the rest of the game and crucify him? First off, that was a horrible play call in that position.
I'm sometimes embarrassed to be apart of this fan base because you people dont know football. Coaching was bad yesterday. OL was bad. WRs were bad. Defense was average.
But it means nothing because Blake Bortles is the blamegoat. Say what you will but the media has turned some of you into sheep.
Blake aint elite at all. But he looked above average yesterday.
HAHAHAHAHA ABOVE AVERAGE?! My lord.
(11-27-2017, 12:18 AM)uthill Wrote: [ -> ]Well you won't see spacecoast next season (thank goodness) as his hero will be searching for another BACK UP qb job.
Well he may not even get a backup job. I'm not sure what team will see the upside in a QB who has proven (and basically admitted) that he can't throw the ball at an NFL requisite level, or effectively read defenses this far along. Good guy (though I'd like to see directly him call himself out more, like for that ridiculous INT yesterday), clearly a tough guy, and an athlete, just NOT an NFL QB at any level much less "good" or "elite". I wish him well in his new career away from the Jaguars, and hopefully he has saved some money and leaves in good shape otherwise.