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Quote:I agree with 2 or 3 things you say per year. You're half way there for 2016 now.


I refuse to believe that guy looked as good as he did against Green Bay and is just plum terrible now.


They put too much on him too early, he pressed, wasn't ready, and I think he got hurt trying to throw us back into a doomed game against San Diego.


Bortles' mechanics are terrible. He's also been one of if not the most hit and sacked QBs over the last 3 years, his first 3 in the league. I say this without even bothering to look up the stats bc I know it's true. I've seen it happen.


Bortles was never going to be Big Ben but he had potential to be close. I'm of the opinion that potential may be ruined because of a coaching staff who leaned on him too much and a GM who has been extremely spotty at building a capable Oline.

He looks terrible even when he's not under duress and has a clean pocket.

Quote:I am officially open to all conspiracy theories at this point.

Still say it all started when we cut Fred after he offered to take a pay cut and a backup role to stay. Or when we announced Garrard the starter at a luncheon only to cut him that same day. Or firing Coughlin the coach for Coughlin the GM spending too much money.


Curse our damn selves. We deserve it.

Quote:He looks terrible even when he's not under duress and has a clean pocket.

Further points to a potential injury. Also points to our OC being unwilling to design plays that get him out of the pocket more often than not when Blake's clearly better at it. Or the hurry up offense. Refuses to use it, even though Blake does better in it.


Bortles sucks but he's a 24 year old 3rd year nobody and we don't run an offense that caters to his strengths. What do ya expect.

Quote:Still say it all started when we cut Fred after he offered to take a pay cut and a backup role to stay. Or when we announced Garrard the starter at a luncheon only to cut him that same day. Or firing Coughlin the coach for Coughlin the GM spending too much money.


Curse our damn selves. We deserve it.

 

We are very effective at agressive downgrading.

We can only hope it's a torn rotator cuff or something along those lines, because that means BB5 can be "fixed" in the offseason.  Maybe.  At least then there is hope.  

 

There is no fixing Gus.  Or Dave.  

Quote:We are very effective at agressive downgrading.

I certainly don't disagree; in fact I'm shocked at how efficiently we are able to do that which you just mentioned.

Quote:We can only hope it's a torn rotator cuff or something along those lines, because that means BB5 can be "fixed" in the offseason. Maybe. At least then there is hope.


There is no fixing Gus. Or Dave.

Time to learn from Gabbert. Bortles has been ruined. NFL QBs are rarely, if ever, fixable. What we can only hope is that we learn from our mistakes, especially Khan and Caldwell if retained.

Quote:Time to learn from Gabbert. Bortles has been ruined. NFL QBs are rarely, if ever, fixable. What we can only hope is that we learn from our mistakes, especially Khan and Caldwell if retained.

 

 

I disagree that qbs are rarely fixable. Plenty of qbs have looked bad during their first three seasons but later excelled. Should I start listing them?

Quote:I disagree that qbs are rarely fixable. Plenty of qbs have looked bad during their first three seasons but later excelled. Should I start listing them?

Are they hall of famers?

Is it possible that he just sucks??

Quote:Are they hall of famers?

 

 

 

Does Bortles have to be a future Hall of Famer to be "fixed"?

Quote:I disagree that qbs are rarely fixable. Plenty of qbs have looked bad during their first three seasons but later excelled. Should I start listing them?

Should I list the ones that look bad and continue to look bad until they wash out? I wonder which list is longer?


I'm just curious as to what Bortles has shown you think he's salvageable at this point. Even last year during his good moments he had noticeable flaws in his game. Combine that with how much he's been hit over 3 years and his level of regression in the areas he was good at. I just don't see some miracle turnaround in Blake's future and I worry well spend another year hoping for it like we did with Gabbert.


It's not all on Bortles, but he hasn't done anything to warrant his 5th year option being picked up this offseason.

Quote:Should I list the ones that look bad and continue to look bad until they wash out? I wonder which list is longer?


I'm just curious as to what Bortles has shown you think he's salvageable at this point. Even last year during his good moments he had noticeable flaws in his game. Combine that with how much he's been hit over 3 years and his level of regression in the areas he was good at. I just don't see some miracle turnaround in Blake's future and I worry well spend another year hoping for it like we did with Gabbert.


It's not all on Bortles, but he hasn't done anything to warrant his 5th year option being picked up this offseason.

 

 

What have I seen is Blake to think he may still be a franchise qb? Plenty...

• strong leadership
  
  
• strong physique, tall frame and large overall stature for a qb
  
  
• thorough understanding of the game and our system
  
  
• the ability to accurately sense pressure and to buy time in the pocket
  
  
• his ability to scramble and to accurately throw on the run
  
  
• extremely sharp downfield vision to find deepest player getting open
  
  
• adept at going through reads and finding the best option
  
  
• excellent touch on mid-range and deep throws, and exceptional accuracy on deepest throws
  
  
• doesn't check down unless it's the only option available (compare to Chad "Captain Checkdown" Henne)
  
  
• a comeback mentality with a tendency to be at his best in the fourth quarter when it counts the most
  
  
• The ability to quickly understand a defense enabling him to play well in no huddle situations
  
  
• humility to accept and apply advice when warranted
  
  
• Excellent overall athleticism for a qb his size
  
  
• Can take a hit and keep on ticking
  
  
• Keeps eyes downfield never looking at pass rush
  
  
• Nice, high release point
  
  

Things he needs to work on...

• An understanding of why his arm fatigues with a plan to rest it
  
  
• Maintaining crisper mechanics with a quicker throwing motion
  
  
• His overall short game
  
  
• Mid-range accuracy
  
  
• His fade pass
  
  
• Eliminating costly mistakes such as forcing throws
  
  
• Looking off dbs before throwing
  
  

I've been watching the All-22 of all of Bortles' passes from Thursday night. His mechanics and motion were just all over the place, which led to a lot of oddly thrown passes, including many that left his hand with a severe downward slant (ex: the one batted down at the line and a few of the short hoppers).

 

It's not pretty. He's just completely out of sorts, as if he's trying to experiment the best way to throw in the middle of the game. He was badly off-target on at least 10 passes through three quarters.

Quote:What have I seen is Blake to think he may still be a franchise qb? Plenty...

• strong leadership
  
• strong physique, tall frame and large overall stature for a qb
  
• thorough understanding of the game and our system
  
• the ability to accurately sense pressure and to buy time in the pocket
  
• his ability to scramble and to accurately throw on the run
  
• extremely sharp downfield vision to find deepest player getting open
  
• adept at going through reads and finding the best option
  
• excellent touch on mid-range and deep throws, and exceptional accuracy on deepest throws
  
• doesn't check down unless it's the only option available (compare to Chad "Captain Checkdown" Henne)
  
• a comeback mentality with a tendency to be at his best in the fourth quarter when it counts the most
  
• The ability to quickly understand a defense enabling him to play well in no huddle situations
  
• humility to accept and apply advice when warranted
  
• Excellent overall athleticism for a qb his size
  
• Can take a hit and keep on ticking
  
• Keeps eyes downfield never looking at pass rush
  
• Nice, high release point
  

Things he needs to work on...

• An understanding of why his arm fatigues with a plan to rest it
  
• Maintaining crisper mechanics with a quicker throwing motion
  
• His overall short game
  
• Mid-range accuracy
  
• His fade pass
  
• Eliminating costly mistakes such as forcing throws
  
• Looking off dbs before throwing
  

I have no ides what you are seeing man.


strong leadership

strong physique, tall frame and large overall stature for a qb

thorough understanding of the game and our system

the ability to accurately sense pressure and to buy time in the pocket- He isn't very good at this


his ability to scramble and to accurately throw on the run- He is decent at moving out of the pocket I guess


extremely sharp downfield vision to find deepest player getting open- Nope. Bortles should never be described as having sharp down field vision


adept at going through reads and finding the best option- Absolutely not true, he can't read coverage


excellent touch on mid-range and deep throws, and exceptional accuracy on deepest throws- Nope , he struggles with basic ball placement


doesn't check down unless it's the only option available (compare to Chad "Captain Checkdown" Henne)- He should check down more


a comeback mentality with a tendency to be at his best in the fourth quarter when it counts the most


The ability to quickly understand a defense enabling him to play well in no huddle situations- He is god awful at reading defenses, gets baited easily


humility to accept and apply advice when warranted- what??


Excellent overall athleticism for a qb his size- Fair enough


Can take a hit and keep on ticking- Fair enough


Keeps eyes downfield never looking at pass rush- ?


Nice, high release point- Has the most batted balls in the league since he was drafted

He needs to order his beer by the glass rather than by the pitcher. All that lifting is taking its toll

Quote:What have I seen is Blake to think he may still be a franchise qb? Plenty...

• strong leadership
  
• strong physique, tall frame and large overall stature for a qb
  
• thorough understanding of the game and our system
  
• the ability to accurately sense pressure and to buy time in the pocket
  
• his ability to scramble and to accurately throw on the run
  
• extremely sharp downfield vision to find deepest player getting open
  
• adept at going through reads and finding the best option
  
• excellent touch on mid-range and deep throws, and exceptional accuracy on deepest throws
  
• doesn't check down unless it's the only option available (compare to Chad "Captain Checkdown" Henne)
  
• a comeback mentality with a tendency to be at his best in the fourth quarter when it counts the most
  
• The ability to quickly understand a defense enabling him to play well in no huddle situations
  
• humility to accept and apply advice when warranted
  
• Excellent overall athleticism for a qb his size
  
• Can take a hit and keep on ticking
  
• Keeps eyes downfield never looking at pass rush
  
• Nice, high release point
  

Things he needs to work on...

• An understanding of why his arm fatigues with a plan to rest it
  
• Maintaining crisper mechanics with a quicker throwing motion
  
• His overall short game
  
• Mid-range accuracy
  
• His fade pass
  
• Eliminating costly mistakes such as forcing throws
  
• Looking off dbs before throwing
  

Take the blinders off man. We were at the same point with Gabbert; where we had seen glimpses and wondered if his struggles could corrected enough to where we could take advantage of his positive attributes. Same results. Blake's mechanics are what they are and they're not changing. He's screwing the offense by giving the defense an extra step bc of his windup.


It's too late in the game to move forward with the expectation that Bortles is the man to plan our future around. I'm not saying cut the guy right now, but I wholeheartedly believe we are back in the QB at the top of the draft market.

Quote:He needs to order his beer by the glass rather than by the pitcher. All that lifting is taking its toll

Not sure what's worse: a two-sentence joke with minimal hilarity, or the fact you had to edit said two sentences.


At least go ice cream stylie where you'll have lower expectations. Jerrad and MVP wore those jokes out long ago, which really sucks because they ended up being on the right side of the gus argument way before me. Hell even stroudcrowd will throw in a quick knee slapper every once and again. Cmon man.

Quote:I know we don't need yet another Bortles thread, but this is about a specific theory...


 

Remember during the last six weeks of Blake's rookie season how it was like he couldn't throw anymore? Initially it was blamed on the offense limiting him to curtail the INTs, but in the offseason Caldwell revealed that Blake's arm practically went limp. It was tired.


 

Last year Blake had a phenomenal sophomore season. Recalling the start of last year's season, Blake talked about his offseason and how much Tom House helped to perfect his mechanics. He also talked about how prior to meeting Tom, he had plenty of time to rest his arm since the season concluded. That arm rest was imperative for him to have success going forward.


 

This past offseason I recall having a little concern that Blake kept throwing in January. His intent was to keep things going, and he kept it up right through the OTAs and into camp where he's looked fine. But now things are going downhill in a hurry, and I'm wondering here if his arm is getting tired again. There were a couple throws in that Titans game where I think his arm did practically go limp again. It may be that Blake simply needs to rest his arm for about a month.


 

What do you thinK? Am I on to something here?

Actually it's the contrary, this past offseason is the one he rested his arm the most (he didn't throw for a month after the season was over : http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-ja...-offseason

 

It was the previous offseason that he really worked without breaks.

 

Anyway it's true that his motion is terrible and I don't know if he's hurt or is arm tired or anything. But it's the decision making, reading defense and coverage that hasn't improved one bit and that's what he supposedly worked the most on this past offseason. He even spent much less time with Tom House this past offseason to focus on that. 

 

<p style="font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(72,73,74);">"He also threw an NFL-high 18 interceptions and decision-making and accuracy are the things on which he'll focus throughout the offseason.Bortles said he still plans on going to California to work with House and Palmer, but it will be a shorter trip. "

Without looking it up, he has to lead the league in turnovers over the last 3 years or be damn close to it. How many QBs come back from that? Andrew Luck was drug through the dirt for his turnover issues.


Blake was fluky last year and we're repeating past mistakes if QB and Oline aren't 1a and 1b on our needs at this current point.