It's also time we prevented the refugees from the [BLEEP] hole democrat-run states like California, Illinois, Massachusetts and the New York/Jersey [BLEEP] holeplex from migrating to the uncontaminated states of the Union. Keep that mental illness confined there. Build walls if we have to even.
Don't forget Hawaii whose democrats can't keep their butts off missile warning buttons.
The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
(01-13-2018, 04:42 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2018, 01:42 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]If it's not racist, then what is it? He called several countries with heavy majority black populations [BLEEP], then opined on why the whitest of the white of Scandinavia don't make their way over here more often?
You don't have to stand there shouting "Lynch the darkies!" to be racist.
He did not mention anything about the people of Haiti or anywhere else, he was talking about the country and area(s) that are indeed nasty and frankly unfit to live in...Calling an area or areas [BLEEP] holes can not be racists as it's not talking about the people of said areas...
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
(01-15-2018, 11:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
(01-13-2018, 04:42 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]He did not mention anything about the people of Haiti or anywhere else, he was talking about the country and area(s) that are indeed nasty and frankly unfit to live in...Calling an area or areas [BLEEP] holes can not be racists as it's not talking about the people of said areas...
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
That he said that is actually being disputed. People that were there say that is NOT what was said. So, ya more fake news.
(01-15-2018, 11:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
(01-13-2018, 04:42 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]He did not mention anything about the people of Haiti or anywhere else, he was talking about the country and area(s) that are indeed nasty and frankly unfit to live in...Calling an area or areas [BLEEP] holes can not be racists as it's not talking about the people of said areas...
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
Or, more likely, he was referring to their sub par education and enterprise systems which turn out relatively few individuals with the knowledge and training that would be beneficial to the U.S.
So many people who were so self-righteous about Hillary Clinton and claiming to be "small government conservatives", blah, blah, blah, spending so much time and effort defending a lying, sleazy politician.
I guess it was all partisan bs after all.
(01-15-2018, 01:33 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]So many people who were so self-righteous about Hillary Clinton and claiming to be "small government conservatives", blah, blah, blah, spending so much time and effort defending a lying, sleazy politician.
I guess it was all partisan bs after all.
Not once have I ever defended Hillary Clinton.
(01-15-2018, 11:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
(01-13-2018, 04:42 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]He did not mention anything about the people of Haiti or anywhere else, he was talking about the country and area(s) that are indeed nasty and frankly unfit to live in...Calling an area or areas [BLEEP] holes can not be racists as it's not talking about the people of said areas...
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
he is talking about the people
FROM [BLEEP] HOLE countries NOT calling the people [BLEEP] HOLES...had he said something like "taking [BLEEP] sticks from [BLEEP] hole countries", or "[BLEEP]" from [BLEEP] hole countries", I could agree with you...
(01-15-2018, 01:39 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 01:33 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]So many people who were so self-righteous about Hillary Clinton and claiming to be "small government conservatives", blah, blah, blah, spending so much time and effort defending a lying, sleazy politician.
I guess it was all partisan bs after all.
Not once have I ever defended Hillary Clinton.
No, you just decided to support her brother.
(01-15-2018, 01:55 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 01:39 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Not once have I ever defended Hillary Clinton.
No, you just decided to support her brother.
I support policies not people.
I don't care if it's Chuck Norris or Amy Winehouse...
if I agree with their policies I will support them. Regardless of the language they use or the mannerism in which they speak.
What someone says has little effect on me.
What someone does matters.
As far as Trump goes.. he's a tool. A bit of a narcissist. He's not a nice guy. He's not someone I look up to or would tell my kids to be more like.
But his politics and policies are sound.
Bernie had awful policy ideas. Killary was even worse, and to boot, she was probably a worse person than the current POTUS.
You can cry about it for the next 3-7 years if you want.
But it just makes you look silly.
(01-15-2018, 01:33 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]So many people who were so self-righteous about Hillary Clinton and claiming to be "small government conservatives", blah, blah, blah, spending so much time and effort defending a lying, sleazy politician.
I guess it was all partisan bs after all.
So now Trump is lazy?
(01-15-2018, 11:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
(01-13-2018, 04:42 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]He did not mention anything about the people of Haiti or anywhere else, he was talking about the country and area(s) that are indeed nasty and frankly unfit to live in...Calling an area or areas [BLEEP] holes can not be racists as it's not talking about the people of said areas...
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
I disagree.
I understand why you may think that, but it seems to me that he’s saying that we’re taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we’re getting [BLEEP] hole candidates. Which I see has taking in people whom otherwise wouldn’t meet our merit system.
(01-15-2018, 02:59 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 01:33 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]So many people who were so self-righteous about Hillary Clinton and claiming to be "small government conservatives", blah, blah, blah, spending so much time and effort defending a lying, sleazy politician.
I guess it was all partisan bs after all.
So now Trump is lazy?
Of course he is. Is there anyone other than you and Sean Hannity who would deny it? But he is elderly and starting to lose it, so perhaps he's earned a senior's lifestyle. I did enjoy his lying about how much he'd play golf. That always makes me chuckle.
(01-15-2018, 02:27 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 01:55 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]No, you just decided to support her brother.
I support policies not people.
I don't care if it's Chuck Norris or Amy Winehouse...
if I agree with their policies I will support them. Regardless of the language they use or the mannerism in which they speak.
What someone says has little effect on me.
What someone does matters.
As far as Trump goes.. he's a tool. A bit of a narcissist. He's not a nice guy. He's not someone I look up to or would tell my kids to be more like.
But his politics and policies are sound.
Bernie had awful policy ideas. Killary was even worse, and to boot, she was probably a worse person than the current POTUS.
You can cry about it for the next 3-7 years if you want.
But it just makes you look silly.
Donald makes America look silly.
(01-15-2018, 03:03 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 11:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The Republican position is that immigration should be more merit-based and not based on quotas. Most people would say merit is an individual characteristic that has nothing to do with what country you come from. So when Trump said, "Why do we have to take all these people from [BLEEP] countries..." that completely contradicts the argument for merit-based immigration, and puts it very close to race-based immigration.
He absolutely is talking about the people of said areas, because he said, "why do we have to take people from these [BLEEP] countries..." What could be more clear than that? He's talking about the people who come from those countries.
I disagree.
I understand why you may think that, but it seems to me that he’s saying that we’re taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we’re getting [BLEEP] hole candidates. Which I see has taking in people whom otherwise wouldn’t meet our merit system.
That's pretty close to what I said.
If you say we are taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we're getting [BLEEP] hole candidates, then you are not basing your judgment on individual merit; you are judging people based on what country they come from. And that goes against everything most of us say we believe in- that a person should be judged based on who they are and not on things like where they come from.
"Why should we take people from [BLEEP] hole countries?" The answer should be,
we don't care what country they come from. The Republican position is- judge candidates based on their individual merit and not on where they come from. Trump completely contradicted his party's position. The accusation of racism stems from casting of third world countries into the "[BLEEP] hole" category. It sounds like he doesn't want so many brown and black people coming in. It sounds like he wants more white people.
The debate is between the current system of quotas and a proposed merit-based system. A quota system is a country-based system. A merit-based system is an individual based system which does not take any account of what country a person comes from- it only judges people based on their individual merit.
(01-15-2018, 05:28 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 03:03 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree.
I understand why you may think that, but it seems to me that he’s saying that we’re taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we’re getting [BLEEP] hole candidates. Which I see has taking in people whom otherwise wouldn’t meet our merit system.
That's pretty close to what I said.
If you say we are taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we're getting [BLEEP] hole candidates, then you are not basing your judgment on individual merit; you are judging people based on what country they come from. And that goes against everything most of us say we believe in- that a person should be judged based on who they are and not on things like where they come from.
"Why should we take people from [BLEEP] hole countries?" The answer should be, we don't care what country they come from. The Republican position is- judge candidates based on their individual merit and not on where they come from. Trump completely contradicted his party's position. The accusation of racism stems from casting of third world countries into the "[BLEEP] hole" category. It sounds like he doesn't want so many brown and black people coming in. It sounds like he wants more white people.
The debate is between the current system of quotas and a proposed merit-based system. A quota system is a country-based system. A merit-based system is an individual based system which does not take any account of what country a person comes from- it only judges people based on their individual merit.
No, because the context was about Trump wanting to add a passage to the DACA bill for repealing a law (the visa lottery) that does choose immigrants based on country. It was not Trump who was saying that nobody from those countries should be allowed in, he was saying that those countries should not be given special status to encourage immigration.
The people who don't have an investment account become so abundantly clear.
American citizenship is not global human right.
Neither is entry into America.
(01-15-2018, 05:28 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 03:03 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree.
I understand why you may think that, but it seems to me that he’s saying that we’re taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we’re getting [BLEEP] hole candidates. Which I see has taking in people whom otherwise wouldn’t meet our merit system.
That's pretty close to what I said.
If you say we are taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we're getting [BLEEP] hole candidates, then you are not basing your judgment on individual merit; you are judging people based on what country they come from. And that goes against everything most of us say we believe in- that a person should be judged based on who they are and not on things like where they come from.
"Why should we take people from [BLEEP] hole countries?" The answer should be, we don't care what country they come from. The Republican position is- judge candidates based on their individual merit and not on where they come from. Trump completely contradicted his party's position. The accusation of racism stems from casting of third world countries into the "[BLEEP] hole" category. It sounds like he doesn't want so many brown and black people coming in. It sounds like he wants more white people.
The debate is between the current system of quotas and a proposed merit-based system. A quota system is a country-based system. A merit-based system is an individual based system which does not take any account of what country a person comes from- it only judges people based on their individual merit.
Do you honestly believe he doesn't want a single person from Haiti? Would he reject a world-renowned doctor, scientist, etc.? He's saying that we're taking literally anyone from Haiti, who is already one of the most uneducated populations in the world. Taking in mass immigration from countries rampant with all sorts of problems is foolish. I'm not sure how you'd disagree with that, and that seems to be Trump's point.
No horse in this race. I am an AnCap who relies solely on empirical data, facts, reason and evidence to form my views. I really enjoy leftist/right wing bickering, but if I posted here enough I think I would get in trouble lol. Here are the facts.
Average IQ of Haiti : 67
Average IQ of Norway : 100
Economic freedom
Norway 25th
Haiti 91st
Regardless of what and how something is said, if the facts back up your claim, what offense is there to take? The truth can hurt sometimes, but that does not mean we hide the truth. We should ask, why is Haiti in bad shape? Why is the IQ and economic freedoms so low? Do we really want your average Haitian, or any low skilled, low IQ individual, coming into a country that is already strapped with welfare recipients, in which we pay over a trillion dollars for each and every year?
I am a freedom of movement guy, don't get me wrong, I would love to have people move freely as they see fit. BUT, there is a caveat. If you run a massive government, and one with a massive welfare program, it is essential to have a strong border. Even old Bernie "Hand in your pockets" Sanders was strong on borders. It is unsustainable for any economy, or country, to continuously bring in low skill and low intelligence people in and support them with other people's money.
(01-15-2018, 07:45 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018, 05:28 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That's pretty close to what I said.
If you say we are taking people from [BLEEP] hole countries, so we're getting [BLEEP] hole candidates, then you are not basing your judgment on individual merit; you are judging people based on what country they come from. And that goes against everything most of us say we believe in- that a person should be judged based on who they are and not on things like where they come from.
"Why should we take people from [BLEEP] hole countries?" The answer should be, we don't care what country they come from. The Republican position is- judge candidates based on their individual merit and not on where they come from. Trump completely contradicted his party's position. The accusation of racism stems from casting of third world countries into the "[BLEEP] hole" category. It sounds like he doesn't want so many brown and black people coming in. It sounds like he wants more white people.
The debate is between the current system of quotas and a proposed merit-based system. A quota system is a country-based system. A merit-based system is an individual based system which does not take any account of what country a person comes from- it only judges people based on their individual merit.
No, because the context was about Trump wanting to add a passage to the DACA bill for repealing a law (the visa lottery) that does choose immigrants based on country. It was not Trump who was saying that nobody from those countries should be allowed in, he was saying that those countries should not be given special status to encourage immigration.
It's amazing this little fact doesn't get reported.