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Bortles has had one year under a competent Head Coach. Maybe in year 2 in a stable organization he will take the next step.

Also lets look at how often Bortles has had stability? How many offensive coordinators have been here in his short time? I would like to see him in the same system for 2 or 3 years. I would also like to see him continue to use his legs to be a threat.

Anyone that thinks Bortles is playing here under a multi-year deal next year really hasn’t thought things through and is just letting the exuberance of this season cloud their judgement. We have the option of taking another year to evaluate him at a reasonable number for starting QBs if we decide not to outright upgrade the position in free agency. Only an exuberant fan would rush to get him under contract and forgo the advantage that the 5th year option provides the team. When the time comes, if the team deems him “the franchise guy” they’ll have no problem paying him his worth. There’s no rush here.

(01-17-2018, 04:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone that thinks Bortles is playing here under a multi-year deal next year really hasn’t thought things through and is just letting the exuberance of this season cloud their judgement.  We have the option of taking another year to evaluate him at a reasonable number for starting QBs if we decide not to outright upgrade the position in free agency.  Only an exuberant fan would rush to get him under contract and forgo the advantage that the 5th year option provides the team.  When the time comes, if the team deems him “the franchise guy” they’ll have no problem paying him his worth.  There’s no rush here.

Quite honestly, you don't know anymore than I do what the front office is thinking.

(01-17-2018, 03:50 PM)brianmsbc Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles has had one year under a competent Head Coach. Maybe in year 2 in a stable organization he will take the next step.

(01-17-2018, 04:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-17-2018, 04:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone that thinks Bortles is playing here under a multi-year deal next year really hasn’t thought things through and is just letting the exuberance of this season cloud their judgement.  We have the option of taking another year to evaluate him at a reasonable number for starting QBs if we decide not to outright upgrade the position in free agency.  Only an exuberant fan would rush to get him under contract and forgo the advantage that the 5th year option provides the team.  When the time comes, if the team deems him “the franchise guy” they’ll have no problem paying him his worth.  There’s no rush here.

Quite honestly, you don't know anymore than I do what the front office is thinking.

I agree.

Not yet but he can change it all Sunday

(01-17-2018, 12:23 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]It's interesting that Bortles career stats after 4 years are better than Eli Manning's career stats after 4 years.  

Completion Percentage: Eli Manning-54.7% Blake Bortles-59.1%
Passing Yards Per Game: Eli Manning-199.7 Blake Bortles-240.8
Touchdown/Interception Ratio: Eli Manning-77/64 Blake Bortles-90/64
Passer Rating: Eli Manning-73.4 Blake Bortles-80.8

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/7q...n_through/

Eli Manning is making around 19 mil this season. Bortles should be alright with that too then.

5 days ago he was on a month long stretch of bad games and as the NFL at large section would prove there was a large contingent ready to give up a day 2 pick for Alex Smith. Fandom is a hell of a drug. I just don't understand how opinions fluctuate so violently, good or bad.

4 years 70 million is a fair deal for him. Front load it, and give yourself the opt out after year 2 with no cap hit. He has earned at least another year or 2. If I were Tom and Dave I would still draft a QB.

(01-17-2018, 04:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-17-2018, 04:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone that thinks Bortles is playing here under a multi-year deal next year really hasn’t thought things through and is just letting the exuberance of this season cloud their judgement.  We have the option of taking another year to evaluate him at a reasonable number for starting QBs if we decide not to outright upgrade the position in free agency.  Only an exuberant fan would rush to get him under contract and forgo the advantage that the 5th year option provides the team.  When the time comes, if the team deems him “the franchise guy” they’ll have no problem paying him his worth.  There’s no rush here.

Quite honestly, you don't know anymore than I do what the front office is thinking.

Just walk through it with me for a moment.

The only number in a contract that matters to the player and his agent is the guaranteed number.  The rest of the money is a mirage until it's earned because the team can cut you at any time.  The bottom end for this negotiation is the 5th year option salary which is roughly $19 million guaranteed.  If the team wants to add 2 or 3 years to that and Blake is willing to go along with that idea, how much more guaranteed money would a starting QB require versus just betting on themselves and playing the year out at $19 million and then coming back to free agency the following year where they've hopefully earned the mega QB contract with a lot more in guarantees?  old_man suggested $25 million guaranteed for 3 years would be acceptable to Bortles in another thread.  Would $6 million more be enough for you as a starting QB to give up 2 additional years of your rights at well below average starting QB money?  I sure hope not.  How about $11 million more to bring it to $30 million guaranteed for let's say 3 years for a total contract value of $50 million.  We're getting a little closer I think, but if Blake Bortles believes that he's a top QB in this league and wants to show he deserves to be paid as such, locking yourself up for 3 years at well below what starting QB money will be over that time probably isn't what most QBs in his situation would choose to do and signing that contract doesn't really say "I believe in myself and I know I'm worth a lot more".  I think if you're Blake, the guaranteed number would have to be closer to $40 million to make you consider forgoing free agency the following year and the team would probably require the contract to be at least 4 years at that guarantee amount.  I just can't see the team's acceptable maximum guaranteed number for a contract getting anywhere close to $40 million at this point in time.  Can you?

No, I don't know what the front office is thinking, but this doesn't seem that difficult of an exercise to work through mentally if you're being honest with yourself along the way, have at least a rudimentary understanding of NFL contracts and have watched every game Blake has played in at least once.  It's clear to me that it's in the best interests of both the Jaguars and Blake to go into next season under the 5th year option and maybe re-evaluate the situation close to midseason next year at the earliest.  I think it would be shocking news to the vast majority of pro football media and fans to hear that such a deal came to fruition this offseason given the inconsistency we've witnessed not only through his career but during this season as well.   Even winning the Super Bowl probably won't affect what will happen contract wise this offseason, though if he dazzles in and wins the next 2 games, who knows?  Maybe that does change things if he winds up being Super Bowl MVP or something.

On a side note, if we're at roughly $40 million in guarantees for Bortles, shouldn't we just go ahead and go after Cousins assuming he hits the market?

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2003 New England Patriots 16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 82T 44 8 32 219 85.9
2017 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 523 315 60.2 32.7 3,687 7.0 230.4 21 4.0 13 2.5 75T 41 7 24 123 84.7

Here is Brady vs Bortles, year 4 of their careers. Blake is worth bringing in on another contract, not a mega deal, but a respectable 17 or 18 mil a year deal for at least 2 more years. Lets see if he can keep his footwork and mechanics improving in general. If he can keep putting in work each off season and correct his mechanics more than this year, he has a chance to be really good.

(01-17-2018, 04:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone that thinks Bortles is playing here under a multi-year deal next year really hasn’t thought things through and is just letting the exuberance of this season cloud their judgement.  We have the option of taking another year to evaluate him at a reasonable number for starting QBs if we decide not to outright upgrade the position in free agency.  Only an exuberant fan would rush to get him under contract and forgo the advantage that the 5th year option provides the team.  When the time comes, if the team deems him “the franchise guy” they’ll have no problem paying him his worth.  There’s no rush here.

I think what you say is pretty reasonable.   There's no rush.   They have him under contract next year, and then if they want to, they can franchise him the year after that.  

If it were up to me, I would draft a guy to develop, and see how Blake does next year.   Then, if he can take another step forward, work out a new contract.

I'd be really interested to see how he can do with Allan Robinson, a new TE, and and further improvements to the offensive line.

I'll put it like this....right now Bortles is our best option. We should keep Bortles....until we have a better option.

How that transpires or if that transpires is yet to be seen.

Bortles already has as many playoff wins as Michael Vick, Tony Romo, and Joe Namath.

(01-18-2018, 02:17 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-17-2018, 04:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Quite honestly, you don't know anymore than I do what the front office is thinking.

Just walk through it with me for a moment.

The only number in a contract that matters to the player and his agent is the guaranteed number.  The rest of the money is a mirage until it's earned because the team can cut you at any time.  The bottom end for this negotiation is the 5th year option salary which is roughly $19 million guaranteed.  If the team wants to add 2 or 3 years to that and Blake is willing to go along with that idea, how much more guaranteed money would a starting QB require versus just betting on themselves and playing the year out at $19 million and then coming back to free agency the following year where they've hopefully earned the mega QB contract with a lot more in guarantees?  old_man suggested $25 million guaranteed for 3 years would be acceptable to Bortles in another thread.  Would $6 million more be enough for you as a starting QB to give up 2 additional years of your rights at well below average starting QB money?  I sure hope not.  How about $11 million more to bring it to $30 million guaranteed for let's say 3 years for a total contract value of $50 million.  We're getting a little closer I think, but if Blake Bortles believes that he's a top QB in this league and wants to show he deserves to be paid as such, locking yourself up for 3 years at well below what starting QB money will be over that time probably isn't what most QBs in his situation would choose to do and signing that contract doesn't really say "I believe in myself and I know I'm worth a lot more".  I think if you're Blake, the guaranteed number would have to be closer to $40 million to make you consider forgoing free agency the following year and the team would probably require the contract to be at least 4 years at that guarantee amount.  I just can't see the team's acceptable maximum guaranteed number for a contact getting anywhere close to $40 million at this point in time.  Can you?

No, I don't know what the front office is thinking, but this doesn't seem that difficult of an exercise to work through mentally if you're being honest with yourself along the way, have at least a rudimentary understanding of NFL contracts and have watched every game Blake has played in at least once.  It's clear to me that it's in the best interests of both the Jaguars and Blake to go into next season under the 5th year option and maybe re-evaluate the situation close to midseason next year at the earliest.  I think it would be shocking news to the vast majority of pro football media and fans to hear that such a deal came to fruition this offseason given the inconsistency we've witnessed not only through his career but during this season as well.   Even winning the Super Bowl probably won't affect what will happen contract wise this offseason, though if he dazzles in and wins the next 2 games, who knows?  Maybe that does change things if he winds up being Super Bowl MVP or something.

On a side note, if we're at roughly $40 million in guarantees for Bortles, shouldn't we just go ahead and go after Cousins assuming he hits the market?

TLWR.  All that, just to speculate.  Especially when there's at least one more game left.  We don't know.

I want no part of Cousins.

(01-18-2018, 08:40 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]TLWR.  All that, just to speculate.  Especially when there's at least one more game left.  We don't know.

I want no part of Cousins.

I'll be looking for you to appear in other threads telling people to stop speculating and not really engaging in the topic at hand.  Should make for an interesting message board experience.

(01-18-2018, 09:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018, 08:40 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]TLWR.  All that, just to speculate.  Especially when there's at least one more game left.  We don't know.

I want no part of Cousins.

I'll be looking for you to appear in other threads telling people to stop speculating and not really engaging in the topic at hand.  Should make for an interesting message board experience.

Good for you.  Knock yourself out.

Extending Bortles now would be a completely boneheaded move. He's under contract for next season as it is. He's not going anywhere in 2018. He had a stretch of bad games before the playoffs and has been "inconsistent" this season as it is. Yes, he has improved from last season, but if Washington has been as patient as they have been by tagging Kirk Cousins multiple times, we can show the same patience by letting Bortles play next season under his current deal and taking more time to evaluate his progression. There is absolutely no need what so ever, to jump the gun here and give him a contract extension. I don't understand that kind of thinking at all.

(01-17-2018, 12:28 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Unless he wins the super bowl he should just play out the option. Maybe even restructure to a 2 year 30 mill deal something like that.

But if he wins the Super Bowl give him anything he wants

Lol .... that's what the Ravens did with Flacco and haven't been able to balance out their cap money ever since.

Ya, but if he lays an egg this game, let's see what they say... I would be willing to bet that if he does a lay an egg, they will look for another QB. They will have too, this team is built to win NOW, that window is short in the NFL unless you have a franchise QB that this team can rely on being consistently good. JMHO...