(01-27-2018, 11:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2018, 11:24 PM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]We should Play-Action or simply pass more on 1st downs. Hackett was feast or famine. He had really good games/stretches and some really bad ones. The bad ones were middle-draw, middle-draw, pass...you can't do that in the NFL unless your O-Line is pushing the D back 5 yards every single down.
Hackett was great in the first quarter for most of the year on the opening script. When he got on a roll the offense clicked beautifully but yeah definitely some barren spells.
Honestly feel Jaguars fans have a bit of a distorted view of how good a coordinator should be though.
Theres probably only a handful of fanbases who are consistently happy with their OC.
Alllll their criticism of the QB, RB and other players, and we were 5th in scoring and 6th in yardage.
Clearly both the OC and players suck, not to mention the GM who drafted them. Also, clearly they were the wrong picks.
In madden world, or mock draft revisionist history, they had it all wrong.
(01-27-2018, 09:26 AM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2018, 08:04 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]not everything is Blake's fault...If a receiver can get his hands on the ball he should catch it...there have been many dropped balls by receivers that were not on Blake...Not defending Blake, just trying to be fair
That's what made AROB (and Hurns in prior seasons) so effective and valuable to the passing game. Their ability to "contort" and catch passes that aren't thrown perfectly is a real benefit to Bortles.
Bortles is back next season. I don't think there's an immediate plug and play upgrade to be had. The Jags have already come close to advancing to the Superbowl with BB at the helm.
Draft a QB and let him develop behind Bortles.
Next season will be pretty telling. The schedule looks much tougher next season (I know, good teams one season may not be good the next). If these teams are playing at a high level like this year, we'll definitely see how it's going with Bortles.
Titans X2 (lost both games to them this year)
Patriots
Steelers
Eagles
@Chiefs
@Bills
@Cowboys
If they look good getting through that, Bortles will be the guy moving forward (rightfully so).
I like VIC and he is right in his own stance, but I can only imagine what BB can do with AROB back and a true pass catching TE. Can Martinez be that TE?
BB just needs the run game and that happens with better guard play. I'm no expert but if that Jags go Guard with the #1 pick I will be very happy. I was down on BB for his play and decision making, but another year with Hackett and the same Offense will only help BB.
Next years schedule will be telling.
(01-25-2018, 07:09 PM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]Can we start a petition to bring Vic back in some sort of capacity?
I'd love to see that happen. I never missed a single Ask Vic session, which is saying something because I rarely ever read the O-Zone.
(01-25-2018, 06:53 PM)tyus Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome, i like Bortles, but Vic is telling it like it is.
He nailed it. It's tough to explain to a lot of fans why we need a QB, especially those that have been around here for the worst of times. Most are just happy we're winning again. It's been a long time since this franchise has had a game changer at the QB position though. At this point I just hope we don't go another offseason neglecting the position. There are some options out there this offseason. There is really no excuse. I know his surgery makes it all but certain he will be back next season so we might not be able to be in the Cousins bidding, but I hope we don't shy away from making a bold move in the draft. I just want more game winning drives to start feeling like field goals do with Lambo. It was an amazing feeling to go from worrying about extra points to expecting him to hit for over 50 in a championship game.
Meh. Vic's beloved Big Ben had better stats than Blake when the played last month, but Blake took the win.
A few things of note about Vic, and I miss his writing style as much as anyone; the man practically worshiped Gene Smith. Gushed over him again and again. To put this in perspective, it is a very real possibility that much of the teams previous five seasons can be laid directly at Smith's feet since the only player left on the roster that he had anything to do with is Posluzny.
While Vic is a very good and very experienced writer, it's not like his football analysis is rock solid.
(02-01-2018, 02:45 PM)RealJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2018, 06:53 PM)tyus Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome, i like Bortles, but Vic is telling it like it is.
He nailed it. It's tough to explain to a lot of fans why we need a QB, especially those that have been around here for the worst of times. Most are just happy we're winning again. It's been a long time since this franchise has had a game changer at the QB position though. At this point I just hope we don't go another offseason neglecting the position. There are some options out there this offseason. There is really no excuse. I know his surgery makes it all but certain he will be back next season so we might not be able to be in the Cousins bidding, but I hope we don't shy away from making a bold move in the draft. I just want more game winning drives to start feeling like field goals do with Lambo. It was an amazing feeling to go from worrying about extra points to expecting him to hit for over 50 in a championship game.
I don't think there's anybody saying that we don't need to upgrade the QB position.
The issue is, history has shown you need to draft and develop a QB. Not throw an ungodly amount of money at one in FA. How often does a high priced FA QB signing pan out to be a great success?
(02-01-2018, 08:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:45 PM)RealJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]He nailed it. It's tough to explain to a lot of fans why we need a QB, especially those that have been around here for the worst of times. Most are just happy we're winning again. It's been a long time since this franchise has had a game changer at the QB position though. At this point I just hope we don't go another offseason neglecting the position. There are some options out there this offseason. There is really no excuse. I know his surgery makes it all but certain he will be back next season so we might not be able to be in the Cousins bidding, but I hope we don't shy away from making a bold move in the draft. I just want more game winning drives to start feeling like field goals do with Lambo. It was an amazing feeling to go from worrying about extra points to expecting him to hit for over 50 in a championship game.
I don't think there's anybody saying that we don't need to upgrade the QB position.
The issue is, history has shown you need to draft and develop a QB. Not throw an ungodly amount of money at one in FA. How often does a high priced FA QB signing pan out to be a great success?
I never said it had to be a free agent but to answer your question, not many pan out because rarely are proven QBs out there. This year is an anomaly and rare opportunity. Obviously we've already missed the boat on the 1st two (Jimmy and Alex), we'll see if we get in the mix for Kirk. If we miss that one, the good thing is there will be fewer teams that need QBs come draft day. I am willing to bet that SF, Washington and whoever takes Kirk will have better years next year. If the Jags are serious about taking advantage of this window, you will see a move made to get their guy. They said there was no one worthy last year but does anyone think Houston isn't better with Watson. Houston and Indy will not be whoopin boys next year and I don't even need to mention the tacks.
I will be sick if we don’t bring in any competition for Blake
(02-02-2018, 09:37 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I will be sick if we don’t bring in any competition for Blake
It's flu season. Get plenty of rest, drink fluids constantly, a little Motrin or Tylenol every 4 hours. You'll be fine.
(02-02-2018, 12:41 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 09:37 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I will be sick if we don’t bring in any competition for Blake
It's flu season. Get plenty of rest, drink fluids constantly, a little Motrin or Tylenol every 4 hours. You'll be fine.
Maybe some friggin Midol.
(02-01-2018, 05:03 PM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]A few things of note about Vic, and I miss his writing style as much as anyone; the man practically worshiped Gene Smith. Gushed over him again and again. To put this in perspective, it is a very real possibility that much of the teams previous five seasons can be laid directly at Smith's feet since the only player left on the roster that he had anything to do with is Posluzny.
While Vic is a very good and very experienced writer, it's not like his football analysis is rock solid.
Yeah,
I enjoyed reading the column occasionally. I disagreed with a solid 25-30% of his "analysis." He knows the game well and was a good resource for me, but some of the individual player talent eval and scheme stuff I didn't fall in line with.
Wasn't really a big fan, personally, but I enjoyed it more than I didn't. I don't share the Oehser hate that many have as it turns out. His schtick can be a bit tiring at times and Vic was a bit better writer, but he's not so bad to me.
(02-02-2018, 08:26 AM)RealJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 08:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's anybody saying that we don't need to upgrade the QB position.
The issue is, history has shown you need to draft and develop a QB. Not throw an ungodly amount of money at one in FA. How often does a high priced FA QB signing pan out to be a great success?
I never said it had to be a free agent but to answer your question, not many pan out because rarely are proven QBs out there. This year is an anomaly and rare opportunity. Obviously we've already missed the boat on the 1st two (Jimmy and Alex), we'll see if we get in the mix for Kirk. If we miss that one, the good thing is there will be fewer teams that need QBs come draft day. I am willing to bet that SF, Washington and whoever takes Kirk will have better years next year. If the Jags are serious about taking advantage of this window, you will see a move made to get their guy. They said there was no one worthy last year but does anyone think Houston isn't better with Watson. Houston and Indy will not be whoopin boys next year and I don't even need to mention the tacks.
We didn't miss the boat on Garoppolo, the Browns were ready to give a 1st round pick for him and Belichick still sent him to the 49ers. Fact is, Belichick was never going to trade Garoppolo to an AFC team, no matter what was offered.
(02-02-2018, 08:26 AM)RealJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 08:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's anybody saying that we don't need to upgrade the QB position.
The issue is, history has shown you need to draft and develop a QB. Not throw an ungodly amount of money at one in FA. How often does a high priced FA QB signing pan out to be a great success?
I never said it had to be a free agent but to answer your question, not many pan out because rarely are proven QBs out there. This year is an anomaly and rare opportunity. Obviously we've already missed the boat on the 1st two (Jimmy and Alex), we'll see if we get in the mix for Kirk. If we miss that one, the good thing is there will be fewer teams that need QBs come draft day. I am willing to bet that SF, Washington and whoever takes Kirk will have better years next year. If the Jags are serious about taking advantage of this window, you will see a move made to get their guy. They said there was no one worthy last year but does anyone think Houston isn't better with Watson. Houston and Indy will not be whoopin boys next year and I don't even need to mention the tacks.
Jimmy G hasn't proven JACK. When a QB goes through some adversity, and displays toughness, that's when they show what they are really made of.
He hasn't done either. Let's see how he reacts during a losing streak, or whether he can make it 1/2 a season.
And now I see why I have been more on social media groups posting. Cause half I am reading is trash. Absolute no substance.
First off on topic. Vic column was insightful but spoke way too much of his time with Steelers and Packers. And didn't have a clue on scouting.
Next Cousins an upgrade for Bortles how? Take both in 2015 nearly identical. Plus the guy has won 2 games out of 11 against teams with 9 or more wins. And won a whooping 3 games out of 15 with teams 500 or better. So no.
Next Those gungho about Hurns? Where was he in buffalo and Pittsburgh? On vacation? Both him and lee had bad drops at key moments. Plus is like the guy for the clots always getting concussions.
Now the funniest one is ignoring refs screw job in AFC Championship. And like outdated Vic. Say well... Jags were scared to go for it with under a minute left. With two time outs.
Well... It couldn't be. The fact we were still up with horrible field position and got ball back in second half?... Nah not that.
I really need to post back here more. Just to give more informative conversation.
(02-03-2018, 01:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]And now I see why I have been more on social media groups posting. Cause half I am reading is trash. Absolute no substance.
First off on topic. Vic column was insightful but spoke way too much of his time with Steelers and Packers. And didn't have a clue on scouting.
Next Cousins an upgrade for Bortles how? Take both in 2015 nearly identical. Plus the guy has won 2 games out of 11 against teams with 9 or more wins. And won a whooping 3 games out of 15 with teams 500 or better. So no.
Next Those gungho about Hurns? Where was he in buffalo and Pittsburgh? On vacation? Both him and lee had bad drops at key moments. Plus is like the guy for the clots always getting concussions.
Now the funniest one is ignoring refs screw job in AFC Championship. And like outdated Vic. Say well... Jags were scared to go for it with under a minute left. With two time outs.
Well... It couldn't be. The fact we were still up with horrible field position and got ball back in second half?... Nah not that.
I really need to post back here more. Just to give more informative conversation.
lol
(02-03-2018, 01:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]And now I see why I have been more on social media groups posting. Cause half I am reading is trash. Absolute no substance.
First off on topic. Vic column was insightful but spoke way too much of his time with Steelers and Packers. And didn't have a clue on scouting.
Next Cousins an upgrade for Bortles how? Take both in 2015 nearly identical. Plus the guy has won 2 games out of 11 against teams with 9 or more wins. And won a whooping 3 games out of 15 with teams 500 or better. So no.
Next Those gungho about Hurns? Where was he in buffalo and Pittsburgh? On vacation? Both him and lee had bad drops at key moments. Plus is like the guy for the clots always getting concussions.
Now the funniest one is ignoring refs screw job in AFC Championship. And like outdated Vic. Say well... Jags were scared to go for it with under a minute left. With two time outs.
Well... It couldn't be. The fact we were still up with horrible field position and got ball back in second half?... Nah not that.
I really need to post back here more. Just to give more informative conversation.
We are not worthy.
(02-02-2018, 01:08 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 12:41 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's flu season. Get plenty of rest, drink fluids constantly, a little Motrin or Tylenol every 4 hours. You'll be fine.
Maybe some friggin Midol.
Funny.
It’s called hyperbole.
I’ve said this in other threads but I guess I have to repeat myself: I have nothing against Bortles and was pleasantly surprised with his performance in the playoffs. But we have seen inconsistency from him. Which Bortles is the real one? That’s the $60,000 question and to me we are gonna find out. This team should not repeat the mistakes of the Shack Harris era and rest on their laurels. Look at the pats; they have Tom freakin brady and they have drafted QBs as high as the 3rd round. Bringing in competition is the most prudent course. Not a high priced FA. Im talking a rookie or two, provided the value is there in the draft. The worst that can happen is we’ve found a young star or Bortles continues to elevate his game become our franchise QB. But a repeat of the Garrard years won’t cut it.
(02-03-2018, 01:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]And now I see why I have been more on social media groups posting. Cause half I am reading is trash. Absolute no substance.
First off on topic. Vic column was insightful but spoke way too much of his time with Steelers and Packers. And didn't have a clue on scouting.
Next Cousins an upgrade for Bortles how? Take both in 2015 nearly identical. Plus the guy has won 2 games out of 11 against teams with 9 or more wins. And won a whooping 3 games out of 15 with teams 500 or better. So no.
Next Those gungho about Hurns? Where was he in buffalo and Pittsburgh? On vacation? Both him and lee had bad drops at key moments. Plus is like the guy for the clots always getting concussions.
Now the funniest one is ignoring refs screw job in AFC Championship. And like outdated Vic. Say well... Jags were scared to go for it with under a minute left. With two time outs.
Well... It couldn't be. The fact we were still up with horrible field position and got ball back in second half?... Nah not that.
I really need to post back here more. Just to give more informative conversation.
Didn't you post a thread all about how you were leaving the board?
(02-03-2018, 01:13 AM)Teal Time Radio Wrote: [ -> ]I really need to post back here more. Just to give more informative conversation.
Let us know when you start.