02-28-2018, 10:36 AM
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02-28-2018, 11:04 AM
I can't shake the feeling that Goedert just isn't worth a First Round selection, even as late as ours. This is looking more and more like a really deep class and while I acknowledge that this team has needs, I am not a fan of letting top flight talent walk past me. I'd rather take a flyer on Gesicki (sp?) in a later round.
02-28-2018, 12:03 PM
I really like Goedert, but I agree there seems to be little upside difference between the #1 TE and the #4. I’d feel better locking in Hernandez or a QB at 29 and taking the best TE left in the 2nd
02-28-2018, 12:24 PM
(02-28-2018, 11:04 AM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]I can't shake the feeling that Goedert just isn't worth a First Round selection, even as late as ours. This is looking more and more like a really deep class and while I acknowledge that this team has needs, I am not a fan of letting top flight talent walk past me. I'd rather take a flyer on Gesicki (sp?) in a later round.
(02-28-2018, 12:03 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I really like Goedert, but I agree there seems to be little upside difference between the #1 TE and the #4. I’d feel better locking in Hernandez or a QB at 29 and taking the best TE left in the 2nd
FWIW, the Pro Football Weekly draft preview is out. They give the TE class a C overall. For comparison's sake, they gave last year's TE class an "A," they give this year's G class an "A," and the T class a "B-".
I really like Hernandez, but I wonder about the depth of the G class and whether it would be worth it to get a Hurst in round 1 and a G later.
If I had to pick now, I'd take Hernandez if he is on the board, then go TE later.
02-28-2018, 01:32 PM
I like Goedert a lot, but not at #29. I think we could trade back into the 2nd round and still get him. I feel the same way about Hernandez.
02-28-2018, 01:38 PM
(02-28-2018, 01:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I like Goedert a lot, but not at #29. I think we could trade back into the 2nd round and still get him. I feel the same way about Hernandez.The Browns have #33 and #35.
Any chance they fall in love with someone at 29 and trade both? Possibly get Goedert and Hernandez.
02-28-2018, 01:42 PM
(02-28-2018, 01:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 01:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I like Goedert a lot, but not at #29. I think we could trade back into the 2nd round and still get him. I feel the same way about Hernandez.The Browns have #33 and #35.
Any chance they fall in love with someone at 29 and trade both? Possibly get Goedert and Hernandez.
They also have pick #63. I'd be perfectly happy trading back and getting #33 and #63. That would be more realistic.
02-28-2018, 01:47 PM
I think we draft one of the 3 in the 1st. Goedert, Hernandez, or Rudolph
02-28-2018, 02:13 PM
Hernandez is my pick for #29. Although I'm not sure he'll even last that long.
Gesicki is my favourite TE but he won't make it to our pick in the 2nd.
Ideally we get the best combination of interior/TE over the first two rounds.
Gesicki is my favourite TE but he won't make it to our pick in the 2nd.
Ideally we get the best combination of interior/TE over the first two rounds.
02-28-2018, 05:11 PM
(02-28-2018, 11:04 AM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]I can't shake the feeling that Goedert just isn't worth a First Round selection, even as late as ours. This is looking more and more like a really deep class and while I acknowledge that this team has needs, I am not a fan of letting top flight talent walk past me. I'd rather take a flyer on Gesicki (sp?) in a later round.
With Blake extended I'm now thinking we go with the best TE at #29 so we can have a true playmaker for the next decade. I'm hoping Vander-Esch lasts until our round two pick to replace Poz, and then in round three I'm all over Falk to be our next QB. If necessary, I can even see taking the MLB first and then the TE second, but I'm really hoping to get Andrews or Hurst and I just don't see them falling at least as of yet. I might change my mind with more evidence that they should fall. But as for Goedert, I just don't see it. I see that he can block which is great, but to me he's just Koyack.
02-28-2018, 05:23 PM
(02-28-2018, 02:13 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez is my pick for #29. Although I'm not sure he'll even last that long.
Gesicki is my favourite TE but he won't make it to our pick in the 2nd.
Ideally we get the best combination of interior/TE over the first two rounds.
I can totally see getting a starting G in the first two rounds, however, I'm not sure the need is as dire as we think considering the likelihood of signing Pugh and Omameh in free agency. With that in mind I tend to think that MLB and CB are bigger draft needs than an OL. Even if Colvin or Patrick Robinson does sign to play the nickel, we can still use the depth at CB. If neither sign we'll need a quality third corner from this draft.
As for Gesicki, I love him as a pass catcher and think his blocking critics are overstating his issues, however, their concerns just might be enough to push him to our second round pick. I tend to think he'll actually be there, and I'd be ok with him in round two... I'm still taking Andrews and Hurst over Gesicki tho.
02-28-2018, 05:30 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:23 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 02:13 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez is my pick for #29. Although I'm not sure he'll even last that long.
Gesicki is my favourite TE but he won't make it to our pick in the 2nd.
Ideally we get the best combination of interior/TE over the first two rounds.
I can totally see getting a starting G in the first two rounds, however, I'm not sure the need is as dire as we think considering the likelihood of signing Pugh and Omameh in free agency. With that in mind I tend to think that MLB and CB are bigger draft needs than an OL. Even if Colvin or Patrick Robinson does sign to play the nickel, we can still use the depth at CB. If neither sign we'll need a quality third corner from this draft.
As for Gesicki, I love him as a pass catcher and think his blocking critics are overstating his issues, however, their concerns just might be enough to push him to our second round pick. I tend to think he'll actually be there, and I'd be ok with him in round two... I'm still taking Andrews and Hurst over Gesicki tho.
Myles Jack plays inside.
Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
02-28-2018, 05:46 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 05:23 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
I can totally see getting a starting G in the first two rounds, however, I'm not sure the need is as dire as we think considering the likelihood of signing Pugh and Omameh in free agency. With that in mind I tend to think that MLB and CB are bigger draft needs than an OL. Even if Colvin or Patrick Robinson does sign to play the nickel, we can still use the depth at CB. If neither sign we'll need a quality third corner from this draft.
As for Gesicki, I love him as a pass catcher and think his blocking critics are overstating his issues, however, their concerns just might be enough to push him to our second round pick. I tend to think he'll actually be there, and I'd be ok with him in round two... I'm still taking Andrews and Hurst over Gesicki tho.
Myles Jack plays inside.
Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
I felt like Myles was finding his niche on the strongside.
He's not your proto-typical MLB like Poz. I really feel the defense needs a guy like Poz but younger and faster.
02-28-2018, 05:48 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Myles Jack plays inside.
Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
I felt like Myles was finding his niche on the strongside.
He's not your proto-typical MLB like Poz. I really feel the defense needs a guy like Poz but younger and faster.
Jack was a beast at MLB, especially as the season wore on and he became more comfortable. I'm not taking his talent off the field to play SLB and 40% of defensive snaps. We can find a 2 down thumper/block stacker in the middle rounds if we desire.
02-28-2018, 06:09 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Myles Jack plays inside.
Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
I felt like Myles was finding his niche on the strongside.
He's not your proto-typical MLB like Poz. I really feel the defense needs a guy like Poz but younger and faster.
You play 2 LBs most of the time. Jack and Telvin.
He's the same size of Poz and much more athletic , just doesn't have Poz's rare instincts yet.
This is his first year starting. I think he'll pleasantly surprise you this year and get much better in coverage too. Needs to get off blocks better.
02-28-2018, 07:45 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
Couldn't agree more- put 2 road graders beside Linder and let Fournette do his thing.
I'm still wondering why we didn't take a TE from last year's strong class.
02-28-2018, 08:07 PM
(02-28-2018, 07:45 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]If you are gonna take a RB in the first then you may as well maximize him best you can. Dominant defense paired with a strong Line is easily attainable.(02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
Couldn't agree more- put 2 road graders beside Linder and let Fournette do his thing.
I'm still wondering why we didn't take a TE from last year's strong class.
02-28-2018, 08:08 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 05:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Myles Jack plays inside.
Pugh is very injury prone and Omameh is serviceable but can be easily upgraded. We live and die by our oline with our style so it's absolutely vital we are set there. Very strong interior class means there's no excuse for not upgrading there in the first 2 rounds.
And yeah TE wise I'm not too pushed on whether it's Andrews, Gesicki, Goedert and to a lesser degree Hurts. The rest are meh. Just grab one of them.
I felt like Myles was finding his niche on the strongside.
He's not your proto-typical MLB like Poz. I really feel the defense needs a guy like Poz but younger and faster.
Totally agree about Myles Jack. He looked really good on the strong side. I believe that is where he finds the most success in the future.
02-28-2018, 09:42 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:48 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ](02-28-2018, 05:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
I felt like Myles was finding his niche on the strongside.
He's not your proto-typical MLB like Poz. I really feel the defense needs a guy like Poz but younger and faster.
Jack was a beast at MLB, especially as the season wore on and he became more comfortable. I'm not taking his talent off the field to play SLB and 40% of defensive snaps. We can find a 2 down thumper/block stacker in the middle rounds if we desire.
Yeah, I have no idea why there are people so focused on replacing Poz with a high draft pick or high priced free agent. Not counting the 2 games Telvin missed and the game he got injured in, Poz played on 35% of the defensive snaps. Committing significant resources to 3 linebackers is not a smart team building strategy in today's NFL. We need that nickel corner if Colvin (67% of defensive snaps) leaves.
02-28-2018, 09:53 PM
Hopefully we resign Poz on a one year deal for his last season. Poz had one of his best season last year imo
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