Quote:Smoot was a 1st round prospect coming into the year, not one of you dudes seen a Illinois game, so stop back seat GM'n on a dude you dont know.
Says a back seat GM himself. Don't let others' opinions live rent free in your head.
Quote:Says a back seat GM himself. Don't let others' opinions live rent free in your head.
Although I agree, this just looks like uninformed people who hvaent watched him play a lick saying its a bad pick. You know how ridiculous that is?
Anyways, based on 2015 tape when he played under a different coaching staff and at a higher weight, this guy was a 1st round pick. This past year, dropped to 250 or below range and Lovie did some different things that must not have suited his game. Obbiously, we think we can get the 2015 upside he showed TC and co. think. If we can, its a steal.
Meh, it doesn't really matter too much what us fans think, all that really matters is the product we get on the field this year.
Coughlin said he wanted a tough, physical team and that is what he is doing with both the draft and his free agent pickups. That's why you get Fournette over Cook, Robinson over Lamp, and Smoot over a CB in the 3rd round.
And although I think Petermen is the best choice, I would not be either surprised or disappointed with OG Johnson or TE Butt in round 4. Both of them are tough, physical players who will help win the line of scrimmage.
SO while the rest of the NFL becomes and more focused on the pass and stopping the pass, we are going old-school with the run/stop the run philosophy.
I'm ok with it - just get us some competitive games and a "chance" at the playoffs.
Quote:Why did he fall so far, since first being projected as a round 1 pick? After watching his highligts, he does seem to have quickness when getting to the QB. Did he not live up to the hype this past year?
I don't put too much stock in too-early projections.
He was pegged as a 3rd or 4th rounder going into this weekend. Knocks on him are that he has all the athleticism (well trained athlete) but lacks the skillset to be more effective.
Hopefully that implies he's coachable.
Sounds like he was productive due to speed and strength and not skillset at the position. He dropped weight this last season and wasn't as productive, which supports the criticism that he needs to work more on his skills.
We took him at the early end of his projected draft position. Maybe that means Tom talked to Lovie and thinks this guy is a diamond in the rough. We'll see. For what seems to be a project in round 3 they must believe there's a good chance he can develop. For a raw, physical and disruptive guy I can see why they are looking at LE over RE.
Scout.com had him ranked 50th which would be a 2nd round grade. By no means are any of these rankings the gospel, but not everyone had him as a 4th or 5th round prospect and apparently the Jags front office didn't either.
No problem for me on bringing in DE's. Can never stop trying to improve or add depth at that position. However, I would have liked to have seen some serious competition be brought in for Blake. Perhaps serious competition for him doesn't exist in this draft. I'd still expect to see a guy drafted in the next couple of rounds to be brought in to groom for 2018 in case it becomes evident we'll be parting ways with Blake. We don't want to be rolling into the 2018 off season without a potential starter on the roster.
Didn't like this pick. Would have liked to see them take a chance on Tim Williams. We still need edge rushers.
Quote:Why did he fall so far, since first being projected as a round 1 pick? After watching his highligts, he does seem to have quickness when getting to the QB. Did he not live up to the hype this past year?
He had 15 tfl and five sacks. He tested well but not great. He plays strong ice end but is a little closer to 260 than 280. He has talent and agility. He plays in the backfield, sack numbers just didn't get there this year. They think he can grow into the long term answer at LDE.
Quote:He had 15 tfl and five sacks. He tested well but not great. He plays strong ice end but is a little closer to 260 than 280. He has talent and agility. He plays in the backfield, sack numbers just didn't get there this year. They think he can grow into the long term answer at LDE.
So he was making plays in the backfield 20 or more times in each of the last 2 years. That may not be elite, but that looks solid to me. You don't usually find elite pass rushers hanging around in the 3rd round.
We're placing too much stock in the Jeremiah far too early "first round grade" and thinking he fell from the second round as well.
NFL.com had him as round 3-4, which is where he came off at the top of.
Quote:He had 15 tfl and five sacks. He tested well but not great. He plays strong ice end but is a little closer to 260 than 280. He has talent and agility. He plays in the backfield, sack numbers just didn't get there this year. They think he can grow into the long term answer at LDE.
He's certainly coming in to a terrific situation to be able to learn behind a guy like Campbell. Maybe by next season he'll be a presence on the left as Yannick is on the right.
We may see him a lot on passing downs if they kick Calais inside putting both of them on the field.
I wanted to puke when the pick was announced. Basham, Willis, Hendrickson, Rivers etc. we're still available. When I checked to make sense of it I found that Mike Mayock had him listed at #90 on his list of 100 best prospects that he put out a day before the draft. Gil Brandt had him at #75 on his Hot 150 prospect list.
We took him at #68 so it makes sense if you respect Mayock and Brandt. Regardless, I still am going to have to work hard to get up enthusiasm for it.
Mayock had him higher than Daeshon Hall and Kendell Beckwith
Quote:Although I agree, this just looks like uninformed people who hvaent watched him play a lick saying its a bad pick. You know how ridiculous that is?
Anyways, based on 2015 tape when he played under a different coaching staff and at a higher weight, this guy was a 1st round pick. This past year, dropped to 250 or below range and Lovie did some different things that must not have suited his game. Obbiously, we think we can get the 2015 upside he showed TC and co. think. If we can, its a steal.
As ridiculous as me saying it's a good pick, not having seen a game. The more I look at this, however, the more it reminds me of Yannick. 3rd rd pass rusher with similar #'s, production and exposure. I mean, more of us knew about Yannick and maybe expected that pick in the 3rd, whereas, this is different in those regards. I can see similar production on the NFL level, that they may equal eachother, almost to a Freeny/Mathis type comparison on the outsides. Or so one may hope, without blaspheming on The Jags mssg board.
As ridiculous as me saying it's a good pick, not having seen a game. The more I look at this, however, the more it reminds me of Yannick. 3rd rd pass rusher with similar #'s, production and exposure. I mean, more of us knew about Yannick and maybe expected that pick in the 3rd, whereas, this is different in those regards. I can see similar production on the NFL level, that they may equal eachother, almost to a Freeny/Mathis type comparison on the outsides.
One thing is he knows how to force fumbles. He had 5 in the last 2 years
Quote:Didn't like this pick. Would have liked to see them take a chance on Tim Williams. We still need edge rushers.
We have edge rushers with Ngakou and Fowler. We maybe have a rotational guy with Malik in Sheldon Day. We now have a strongside DE to rotate with Calais in Smoot. What we need is a NT to rotate with Abry.
I thought for sure we were going to get Stevie Tu'ikuolovatu in early round seven, but we passed on him to take Myrick and Stevie went the following pick. We literally have nobody to rotate with Abry. Why did we did waive Roy Miller III again?
Quote:We have edge rushers with Ngakou and Fowler. We maybe have a rotational guy with Malik in Sheldon Day. We now have a strongside DE to rotate with Calais in Smoot. What we need is a NT to rotate with Abry.
I thought for sure we were going to get Stevie Tu'ikuolovatu in early round seven, but we passed on him to take Myrick and Stevie went the following pick. We literally have nobody to rotate with Abry. Why did we did waive Roy Miller III again?
Don't forget about Bennett and Stefan Charles.
Honestly, I'd've gone with more Offensive Line picks, rather than overloading an already over qualified Wide Receiver Corps, or added another Running Back as insurance against Fournette not making it. Just saying. More precisely, added a Tight End or Two, to help with the short down yardage situations. In any case, I'll take a wait and see attitude and see what shakes loose from the juice.
I'd have gone with a guard, but I do like the kid's upside.
He ought to be that Ryan Davis, off- the-bench-disrupter-type player. I'll reserve judgement.
Quote:Don't forget about Bennett and Stefan Charles.
Oh yeah... totally forgot about Stefan Charles. He is a big guy.
Plus looking at the roster, I also forgot that Louis Nix is back. He's another huge NT.
Bennett is more in the mix with Stefan Day.
As ridiculous as me saying it's a good pick, not having seen a game. The more I look at this, however, the more it reminds me of Yannick. 3rd rd pass rusher with similar #'s, production and exposure. I mean, more of us knew about Yannick and maybe expected that pick in the 3rd, whereas, this is different in those regards. I can see similar production on the NFL level, that they may equal eachother, almost to a Freeny/Mathis type comparison on the outsides.