(04-27-2018, 05:35 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]For everyone that sweating about Mr. Khan placing a bid to purchase Wembley Stadium, remember that his professional soccer team plays in that stadium. Also ponder the fact that the Jaguars would be guaranteed to keep the cash benefits of continually playing one home game, possibly an away game in Wembley Stadium. In order to move the Jaguars perminately would be unlikely due to the cost of travel throughout the season.
IJS.
NH3...
Please refrain from posting when you know nothing about what you're talking about Shahid Kahn owns Fulham FC they play in a stadium called Craven Cottage they're currently in the Champions League and they are in third place which would promote them into the Premier League they have never nor will they ever play in
Wembley Stadium
First the facts are these it's not Shahid Khan that is pushing the NFL in London. It is the NFL that wants to put a team in London. Mr. Khan is taking all the steps that will insure if the NFL expands to London that the Jaguars will be the team to do that anyone that thinks any less is either putting his head in the sand and is in denial or ignorant.
(04-28-2018, 11:01 PM)FredFlinstone Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2018, 05:35 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]For everyone that sweating about Mr. Khan placing a bid to purchase Wembley Stadium, remember that his professional soccer team plays in that stadium. Also ponder the fact that the Jaguars would be guaranteed to keep the cash benefits of continually playing one home game, possibly an away game in Wembley Stadium. In order to move the Jaguars perminately would be unlikely due to the cost of travel throughout the season.
IJS.
NH3...
Please refrain from posting when you know nothing about what you're talking about Shahid Kahn owns Fulham FC they play in a stadium called Craven Cottage they're currently in the Champions League and they are in third place which would promote them into the Premier League they have never nor will they ever play in
Wembley Stadium
First the facts are these it's not Shahid Khan that is pushing the NFL in London. It is the NFL that wants to put a team in London. Mr. Khan is taking all the steps that will insure if the NFL expands to London that the Jaguars will be the team to do that anyone that thinks any less is either putting his head in the sand and is in denial or ignorant.
orrrrrr one could simply understand that it's ok to own a stadium in another country and an nfl franchise in the good ol USA...Wembley stadium and Jaguars are not tied together, it's just a situation where a very rich man saw a chance to make even more money...It's that simple...Mr Khan has the resources to buy anything he chooses to buy anywhere in the world, while leaving the Jaguars at home in Jacksonville...
(04-29-2018, 12:33 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2018, 11:01 PM)FredFlinstone Wrote: [ -> ]Please refrain from posting when you know nothing about what you're talking about Shahid Kahn owns Fulham FC they play in a stadium called Craven Cottage they're currently in the Champions League and they are in third place which would promote them into the Premier League they have never nor will they ever play in
Wembley Stadium
First the facts are these it's not Shahid Khan that is pushing the NFL in London. It is the NFL that wants to put a team in London. Mr. Khan is taking all the steps that will insure if the NFL expands to London that the Jaguars will be the team to do that anyone that thinks any less is either putting his head in the sand and is in denial or ignorant.
orrrrrr one could simply understand that it's ok to own a stadium in another country and an nfl franchise in the good ol USA...Wembley stadium and Jaguars are not tied together, it's just a situation where a very rich man saw a chance to make even more money...It's that simple...Mr Khan has the resources to buy anything he chooses to buy anywhere in the world, while leaving the Jaguars at home in Jacksonville...
Fulham could only dream of being in the Champions League... They’re in the Championship...
(04-28-2018, 11:01 PM)FredFlinstone Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2018, 05:35 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]For everyone that sweating about Mr. Khan placing a bid to purchase Wembley Stadium, remember that his professional soccer team plays in that stadium. Also ponder the fact that the Jaguars would be guaranteed to keep the cash benefits of continually playing one home game, possibly an away game in Wembley Stadium. In order to move the Jaguars perminately would be unlikely due to the cost of travel throughout the season.
IJS.
NH3...
Please refrain from posting when you know nothing about what you're talking about Shahid Kahn owns Fulham FC they play in a stadium called Craven Cottage they're currently in the Champions League and they are in third place which would promote them into the Premier League they have never nor will they ever play in
Wembley Stadium
Yep, they play in the Championship, not the Champions League - the second tier of English football.
Also, third place doesn’t automatically get them into the Premier League - they would have to go through playoffs (including a playoff final at Wembley).
They’re playing so well it’s hard to imagine they don’t make it one way or another, but there are some big teams in their way, including Aston Villa.
But this is probably straying off the subject.
Also, despite what some are reporting (I saw it again during the draft coverage) the sale hasn’t been agreed yet...
Kahn is just ahead of the curve on this one. As revenue is becoming more critical for the smaller markets to compete going forward, you'll see more and more of the small markets looking to outsource a game here and there to other cities on a regular basis. Him buying the London stadium was more about keeping the Jags playing a game a year there and not letting other teams jump into the market as they're starting to want to do.
(04-28-2018, 10:31 AM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Man, think of all the panicking you can do in that time! Ten solid years of knee-jerk reactions and jumping to conclusions, you must be so happy right now!
Some would call it forward-thinking. Others simply noticing the writings on a wall.
You can bet that Shad Khan and the NFL do not share your Podunkian belief that the NFL in Jacksonville is forever and the NFL in London is never.
(04-28-2018, 11:49 AM)Butch Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever Shahid Khan spent or spends in Jacksonville can be recuperated in the snap of a finger with a franchise move to London.
orrr he can keep the Jags in Jax, buy Wembley Stadium and make even more money...Hmmm....decisions decisions....
(04-29-2018, 12:06 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2018, 10:31 AM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Man, think of all the panicking you can do in that time! Ten solid years of knee-jerk reactions and jumping to conclusions, you must be so happy right now!
Some would call it forward-thinking. Others simply noticing the writings on a wall.
You can bet that Shad Khan and the NFL do not share your Podunkian belief that the NFL in Jacksonville is forever and the NFL in London is never.
No one is disputing the fact that sooner or later there will be teams in London...However, just because a very wealthy NFL franchise owner found a way to make a [BLEEP] pot full of money by buying Wembely Stadium does not mean his team is headed there...If he can make a bunch of money with the Jags in Jax, and a ton more by buying the stadium why not? I would jump at that chance if I had the resources...Imagine how much money one could make by owning a NFL franchise in the USA, and owning a stadium like Wembely in Europe...
(04-29-2018, 01:01 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 12:06 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Some would call it forward-thinking. Others simply noticing the writings on a wall.
You can bet that Shad Khan and the NFL do not share your Podunkian belief that the NFL in Jacksonville is forever and the NFL in London is never.
No one is disputing the fact that sooner or later there will be teams in London...However, just because a very wealthy NFL franchise owner found a way to make a [BLEEP] pot full of money by buying Wembely Stadium does not mean his team is headed there...If he can make a bunch of money with the Jags in Jax, and a ton more by buying the stadium why not? I would jump at that chance if I had the resources...Imagine how much money one could make by owning a NFL franchise in the USA, and owning a stadium like Wembely in Europe...
This and again....khan has done the exact opposite of what he should do if he’s trying to run this franchise into the ground and out of the country.
(04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)You MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 01:01 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]No one is disputing the fact that sooner or later there will be teams in London...However, just because a very wealthy NFL franchise owner found a way to make a [BLEEP] pot full of money by buying Wembely Stadium does not mean his team is headed there...If he can make a bunch of money with the Jags in Jax, and a ton more by buying the stadium why not? I would jump at that chance if I had the resources...Imagine how much money one could make by owning a NFL franchise in the USA, and owning a stadium like Wembely in Europe...
When has anyone made money on owning a stadium? If that were the case every NFL owner would simply pay for his own stadium. The only times where an owner paid for a stadium was in cities where outside revenue from the team being located there made it crucial to stay (in the case of LA, projected revenue).
He now can keep a certain percentage of revenues from every event there I would imagine. He also now has leverage for other NFL games that may be played there
(04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 01:01 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]No one is disputing the fact that sooner or later there will be teams in London...However, just because a very wealthy NFL franchise owner found a way to make a [BLEEP] pot full of money by buying Wembely Stadium does ...
When has anyone made money on owning a stadium?
Look up Madison Square Garden
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/madiso...2018-02-02
As we’re still talking about this, here are a couple more thoughts for discussion...
I think most of us agree Khan isn’t going to move the Jaguars to London, but what are the chances of him increasing the number of games played at Wembley?
And another alternative... might he look to sell the Jaguars and start a new franchise in London? (I guess you could argue that with all the development planned and the team improving all the time, it might be attractive to buy right now)
Btw, I’m pretty sure the second scenario won’t happen, just wanted to throw it out there for the sake of discussion.
(04-29-2018, 04:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 02:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Look up Madison Square Garden
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/madiso...2018-02-02
Really? That's your comparison?
Madison Square Garden shows plays and musicals. While it no doubt makes money on basketball, it serves a lot more alternative entertainment than a stadium, and probably has something going on more than half the nights. It also costs a lot less to buy/build and has lower upkeep than a stadium.
Besides metric football, and an occasional NFL game or rock concert, what does Wembley have that would fill even half the stadium?
Taylor Swift concerts and Rolling Stones reunion tours. I thought that was obvious
(04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 01:01 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]No one is disputing the fact that sooner or later there will be teams in London...However, just because a very wealthy NFL franchise owner found a way to make a [BLEEP] pot full of money by buying Wembely Stadium does not mean his team is headed there...If he can make a bunch of money with the Jags in Jax, and a ton more by buying the stadium why not? I would jump at that chance if I had the resources...Imagine how much money one could make by owning a NFL franchise in the USA, and owning a stadium like Wembely in Europe...
When has anyone made money on owning a stadium? If that were the case every NFL owner would simply pay for his own stadium. The only times where an owner paid for a stadium was in cities where outside revenue from the team being located there made it crucial to stay (in the case of LA, projected revenue).
when has a single person ever tried with an NFL stadium? When you quit thinking the stadium will only be for NFL activities and realize that everything hosted in a privately owned stadium would generate revenue for the owner you will understand...No NFL stadium is privately owned, therefor, no NFL owner makes money other than what is split between the city and the team for advertising and home ticket sales...Imagine a sell out concert in Wembely with a single owner who didn't have to split the money with anyone...BIG MONEY for any activity held there other than NFL games...
(04-29-2018, 03:59 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]As we’re still talking about this, here are a couple more thoughts for discussion...
I think most of us agree Khan isn’t going to move the Jaguars to London, but what are the chances of him increasing the number of games played at Wembley?
And another alternative... might he look to sell the Jaguars and start a new franchise in London? (I guess you could argue that with all the development planned and the team improving all the time, it might be attractive to buy right now)
Btw, I’m pretty sure the second scenario won’t happen, just wanted to throw it out there for the sake of discussion.
The lease with the city includes a specific number of home games that must be played in Jax...They negotiated around this to start playing one home game in London...The COJ isn't going to continue to allow games to be lost to anywhere...They want the revenue that comes from the influx of fans coming into town for local merchants, hotels and dining
(04-29-2018, 02:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]When has anyone made money on owning a stadium?
Look up Madison Square Garden
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/madiso...2018-02-02
Madison Square Garden is a publicly traded company, not a privately owned company,nor a stadium housing a NFL franchise...The stadiums owned by cities or municipalities, are the ones who make the majority of the money for stadium use...If the stadium in Jacksonville were owned by Joe Smucketelli, Joe would be the one making the biggest share of money for all events held in that stadium, including the lease for the Jaguars
(04-27-2018, 11:32 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2018, 10:57 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]How is that poking? While I don’t agree with it, he gave a well written reason as to why it concerned him. He wants the ownership to focus fully on Jax. It’s a bit of a naive prospect since London helps stabilize us here but oh well. I think Vic wants the Jags here and would hate to see them go.
I say it’s poking because his loose conjecture directly contradicts Shad Khan’s statement.
Come on man, how many owners come out and directly say I am gonna move if you don't do X? Maybe Al Davis. All the other ones sent mixed signals. I mean look at Stan Kroneke, he bought land 3-5 years prior to moving. Any negotiation he did after that point was not in good faith. I don't think Khan is Kroneke, but to ignore the possibility is just silly. Vic isn't looking at this team as a fan, thats not what he does. He looks at it as a business. And the business case says London makes more money, and if J-ville doesn't find a way to make up the difference, we are definitely in danger.
(04-29-2018, 07:07 PM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]When has anyone made money on owning a stadium? If that were the case every NFL owner would simply pay for his own stadium. The only times where an owner paid for a stadium was in cities where outside revenue from the team being located there made it crucial to stay (in the case of LA, projected revenue).
when has a single person ever tried with an NFL stadium? When you quit thinking the stadium will only be for NFL activities and realize that everything hosted in a privately owned stadium would generate revenue for the owner you will understand...No NFL stadium is privately owned, therefor, no NFL owner makes money other than what is split between the city and the team for advertising and home ticket sales...Imagine a sell out concert in Wembely with a single owner who didn't have to split the money with anyone...BIG MONEY for any activity held there other than NFL games...
The owner of the stadium gets a leasing fee for each event and may or may not share ad revenue. They don't make a ton of money owning a stadium. If you make a lot of money, why would you sell the stadium that was raking in the cash?
Wembley is too large to host most events. It has been cut to basically nothing. The NFL isn't going to pay him a lot to use the stadium, they'll pay the standard leasing fee.
So unless there is some unknown increase in revenue coming that the current owners were so inept, then he won't be making money. Unless the Superbowl is coming, he loses money or moves the Jags.
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