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That first play looks like a trap fail. Is that parnell getting dominated by akeem hicks...again

Quote:Ironically coming into this week we were a little above average in yards before contact running left/middle and dead last running right. 

 

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Huh. 

 

Taking that at face value, that would be somewhat surprising.

 

Not that we'd be dead last in a rushing category.  Clearly we're not running the ball well. But that it's the right side that's giving us the trouble.  From C to right, there's been more stability along the OL than the left side.

 

You figure if continuity along the OL means anything, that would reflect in the run blocking.

 

I wonder what else factors into it.  Play call choice?  Down and distance? 

Quote:Umm.................what I mentioned creates opportunities for blocking to create lanes. Let me connect the dots for you: A standard 1 back backfield with lineman man-blocking is what we do; and it's not creating running lanes. Other formations with lineman moving and a running back with help in front will force the defense to move which naturally opens up lanes.

 

Regards...................the Chiefjag

 

Quote:What happens if the linemen, who are not pulling, don't hold the POA? no running lanes. They are not getting any push, adding a fb or widening the splits won't change that. Appreciate the condescension, really proves you know what you're talking about. To the untrained eye it might seem like you're throwing [BAD WORD REMOVED] against the wall hoping it sticks

To expound upon this, what if the defenders disrupt the pulling such that the OL never gets to their designated spot, or if the defenders beat the blockers to the gap?

 

I get that pulling and movement can create lanes (think the Lombardi era Green Bay Packers sweep and the Noll era Steelers trap), but it isn't foolproof, either.

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Omameh flat out missed on his kick out block. Also, Parnell didn't seal to his inside. He let the DT (?) slip off and make the tackle.

If Alualu is gonna lineup more at fullback then I would prefer Koyack or finding an actual FB

There are two prominent philosophies when it comes to running the ball in my opinion; Zone / One Back and Block Down & Kick out.

 

Zone concepts typically don't use a Fullback but almost always include a Tight End in order to widen the blocking surface, the span of the Linemen who are in close proximity to one another, in order to create space for the Runner. The idea is that every front that the Defense presents will have holes / gaps but those gaps won't be visible until the play is in motion. The OL step with the direction of the play, block the closest DL, then peel off to take a LB as needed. The RBs are taught to read the first D Lineman playside, then the next inside LB to take the hole that opens up. A key to this is lateral movement by the RB at the snap. His sideways movement moves the Defense and helps to open up lanes. You can pull in this Offense, but often times it's a "fold" type of pull where the OL leads up through a gap to seal off a LB.

 

Block down and Kick out is really kind of the opposite. The OL blocks away from the play, leaving an unblocked Defender for the FB or a pulling OL to take. For a play to the Right, the OL will look to their Left to seal the inside where the FB looks to take the first bad guy to show on the playside. The RBs are taught to read the FB's block and cut inside of him or to whichever side he is sealing.

 

Thing is, don't run what you can't coach. And right now, it looks like whatever they are running they aren't doing a great job of coaching it.

I'm seeing way too many instances of Julius failing to put hands on a guy and ruining a potential nice running play

Quote:Huh.


Taking that at face value, that would be somewhat surprising.


Not that we'd be dead last in a rushing category. Clearly we're not running the ball well. But that it's the right side that's giving us the trouble. From C to right, there's been more stability along the OL than the left side.


You figure if continuity along the OL means anything, that would reflect in the run blocking.


I wonder what else factors into it. Play call choice? Down and distance?

I'd definitely say Playcalling predictability. Other than the Colts, every other team seems to know our playbook as well as our players. I think lack of creativity is the biggest burden on this running game. The right side is our strong side, and yet statistically, it's the worst in the league.

Quote:I'm seeing way too many instances of Julius failing to put hands on a guy and ruining a potential nice running play

Julius is not a good blocking TE,, he wasn't in Denver either.


Lewis is much better suited for that. The problem is that they need Julius on the field much more than Lewis.


Plus, Parnell just isn't that good, IMO. Putting Julius and Parnell next to each other and expecting them to secure right side blocking is not gonna work out a lot of the time.


Regarding Fullbacks:


I think the league will end up going back to the FB on just about every team. We're starting to see that teams that employ FBs have better rushing.


One really good example I can think of:

Jeremy Hill in Cincy.


His rookie year, they employed a FB lead blocker just about every time he rushed the ball. Man, he looked great, rushing for a lot of yards and TDs.


The next season, they went away from employing the FB most of the time. Hill's numbers struggled mightily.



Bring back the FB!

Quote:Julius is not a good blocking TE,, he wasn't in Denver either.


Lewis is much better suited for that. The problem is that they need Julius on the field much more than Lewis.


Plus, Parnell just isn't that good, IMO. Putting Julius and Parnell next to each other and expecting them to secure right side blocking is not gonna work out a lot of the time.


Regarding Fullbacks:


I think the league will end up going back to the FB on just about every team. We're starting to see that teams that employ FBs have better rushing.


One really good example I can think of:

Jeremy Hill in Cincy.


His rookie year, they employed a FB lead blocker just about every time he rushed the ball. Man, he looked great, rushing for a lot of yards and TDs.


The next season, they went away from employing the FB most of the time. Hill's numbers struggled mightily.



Bring back the FB!

I agree with everything you said minus the fb. Having a fb is not central to having a potent run game. There are several ways to skin that cat. I have no bias against fb's, just don't think they dictate on their own a good running game. Running the ball is about attitude, so it's not surprising the coach would call the OLine out for being lax. This is sort of what I meant with Julius. The gifs I've seen posted here show he not even at the right spot. I'm not talking ability I'm talking being in the right spot. They've got to start aggressive and stay aggressive.

Quote:I'd definitely say Playcalling predictability. Other than the Colts, every other team seems to know our playbook as well as our players. I think lack of creativity is the biggest burden on this running game. The right side is our strong side, and yet statistically, it's the worst in the league.

I'm not necessarily on board with that.  I think playcalling is an issue, but in a different way.  I think the propensity to run slow developing plays, especially outside with power backs, enables defenses to react quickly and hold us to minimal gains.

Quote:Bring back the FB!

 

This may help the running game, but it's not like you can just add a FB and go 12 men.  You have to take somebody else off the field.  

Quote:I'm seeing way too many instances of Julius failing to put hands on a guy and ruining a potential nice running play

 

Quote:Julius is not a good blocking TE,, he wasn't in Denver either.


Lewis is much better suited for that. The problem is that they need Julius on the field much more than Lewis.


 

Taking these statements at face value, the truly sad part is, a TE doesn't have to be a great blocker to be part of an effective running game-just willing.  Nobody would ever compare Jay Novacek or Shannon Sharpe as run blockers to a guy like Kyle Brady.  Yet Novacek's Cowboys teams and Sharpe's Broncos and Ravens teams were able to run the ball effectively in part because they were willing to execute their assignments.  They didn't have to crush their guys.  In many cases, they just had to wall a defender off. 

 

If Thomas is not contributing positively to the running game, that has to change, especially if we are relying on TEs instead of FBs.

Quote:Taking these statements at face value, the truly sad part is, a TE doesn't have to be a great blocker to be part of an effective running game-just willing. Nobody would ever compare Jay Novacek or Shannon Sharpe as run blockers to a guy like Kyle Brady. Yet Novacek's Cowboys teams and Sharpe's Broncos and Ravens teams were able to run the ball effectively in part because they were willing to execute their assignments. They didn't have to crush their guys. In many cases, they just had to wall a defender off.


If Thomas is not contributing positively to the running game, that has to change, especially if we are relying on TEs instead of FBs.

Yeah, senor fantastico posted 3 twitter gifs above. Not sure which one, but it either looks like he has no idea where he was supposed to be or not willing to tango.

Quote:Taking these statements at face value, the truly sad part is, a TE doesn't have to be a great blocker to be part of an effective running game-just willing.  Nobody would ever compare Jay Novacek or Shannon Sharpe as run blockers to a guy like Kyle Brady.  Yet Novacek's Cowboys teams and Sharpe's Broncos and Ravens teams were able to run the ball effectively in part because they were willing to execute their assignments.  They didn't have to crush their guys.  In many cases, they just had to wall a defender off. 

 

If Thomas is not contributing positively to the running game, that has to change, especially if we are relying on TEs instead of FBs.

Excellent point. Seems like something they would work on during the bye week. Guess it wasn't a priority, but "now it is". 

Quote:This may help the running game, but it's not like you can just add a FB and go 12 men. You have to take somebody else off the field.

Well, yes. I agree with you.


Obviously a FB won't be on the field for the whole game. You'd bring them in/out of the game depending on the sitaution.


A FB in the lineup doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to be a running play, either.


There's these things called play-action fakes and rolling the QB out (which BB is very good at).

Quote:Well, yes. I agree with you.


Obviously a FB won't be on the field for the whole game. You'd bring them in/out of the game depending on the sitaution.


A FB in the lineup doesn't necessarily mean that it is going to be a running play, either.


There's these things called play-action fakes and rolling the QB out (which BB is very good at).

The FB is the #1 option on the SPIDER 2 Y BANANA! Would love to see ALUALU catching the ball! 

I think half of the blame goes to the O-Line and half goes to the RB's. 

Quote:To have a good run game, I feel we need to get a FB. They just seem to go hand in hand. In fact of the top 5 rushing teams only the 49ers lack a FB.

I'm not sure about that.  The Titans have a FB, but he is almost never on the field.

Quote:I'm not necessarily on board with that. I think playcalling is an issue, but in a different way. I think the propensity to run slow developing plays, especially outside with power backs, enables defenses to react quickly and hold us to minimal gains.

That is also true.