Going into this year the picture seemed clear. Our plan since we started the Caldwell build was to build defense through the draft/develop that talent and then sign key free agents to boost our strongest positions. We drafted heavy pass rushers, corners and linebackers. We signed key defensive players on the line and in the secondary. We built what was advertised as the next great generational defense. On offense the plan was to build a smash mouth ground game and have a QB that could manage the game. We didn't invest is keeping key offensive players when their contracts ran out, we could replace them with younger drafted role players. We signed established linemen and drafted heavy running backs high in the draft during the entire Caldwell build.
Did we do it ALL wrong? Has history not proven that keeping a health cohesive defense is both expensive and near impossible. Look at Seattle they lost some of their LEADERS and the entire defense unraveled. We lost Poz and Colvin and it's starting to look like this defense is unraveling. Was POZ that Leader that was irreplaceable? Would it matter if we had built this team around an offensive powerhouse?
In todays NFL building around the defense and rushing game is building a team to compete in the wrong decade. It's not sustainable long term, it might not even be sustainable year to year. It's only week 6 and even if we can find our magic juice to finish the season I still wonder did we build this entire thing backwards?
Having an offense that's just good enough isn't sustainable in todays NFL.
The rules and the game is purely for the offense. On defense I think spending money on pass rushers is absolutely important as well. That's about it, rest should go on O.
Our coaching is the biggest problem. Along with Bortles only being able to throw the cross and go. It limits the team too much and in today's game you need offense.
Offense today though is looking so bad because of the line. The pressure is making Blake freak out even when he has time. Pressure is very disruptive.
I don't think anyone in the FO anticipated the offense struggling so much and I don't think they anticipated the current trend of coordinators finding the weaknesses in Wash's scheme and coverages.
The offense will take acquisitions to fix, the defense may be easier by tweaking the scheme as other teams adapt.
(10-14-2018, 06:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone in the FO anticipated the offense struggling so much and I don't think they anticipated the current trend of coordinators finding the weaknesses in Wash's scheme and coverages.
The offense will take acquisitions to fix, the defense may be easier by tweaking the scheme as other teams adapt.
I think our problem is deeper than tweaking the scheme on defense.
yep
won't change until they get a new head coach, this guy is as old school as it gets
New Qb and new D coordinator(promote Hobby?) and we’ll be fine IMO.
(10-14-2018, 06:06 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]The rules and the game is purely for the offense. On defense I think spending money on pass rushers is absolutely important as well. That's about it, rest should go on O.
Our coaching is the biggest problem. Along with Bortles only being able to throw the cross and go. It limits the team too much and in today's game you need offense.
Offense today though is looking so bad because of the line. The pressure is making Blake freak out even when he has time. Pressure is very disruptive.
We keep blaming the coaching, I get it some of calls seem justind boggling. At some point we have to accept it might also be the personnel.
Our problems run deep. It’s become a league of have a QB or not have a QB, and we chose the wrong option. We may be in for another rebuild if this season doesn’t turn around. I can’t see coughlin staying tolerant for long
(10-14-2018, 06:01 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Going into this year the picture seemed clear. Our plan since we started the Caldwell build was to build defense through the draft/develop that talent and then sign key free agents to boost our strongest positions. We drafted heavy pass rushers, corners and linebackers. We signed key defensive players on the line and in the secondary. We built what was advertised as the next great generational defense. On offense the plan was to build a smash mouth ground game and have a QB that could manage the game. We didn't invest is keeping key offensive players when their contracts ran out, we could replace them with younger drafted role players. We signed established linemen and drafted heavy running backs high in the draft during the entire Caldwell build.
Did we do it ALL wrong? Has history not proven that keeping a health cohesive defense is both expensive and near impossible. Look at Seattle they lost some of their LEADERS and the entire defense unraveled. We lost Poz and Colvin and it's starting to look like this defense is unraveling. Was POZ that Leader that was irreplaceable? Would it matter if we had built this team around an offensive powerhouse?
In todays NFL building around the defense and rushing game is building a team to compete in the wrong decade. It's not sustainable long term, it might not even be sustainable year to year. It's only week 6 and even if we can find our magic juice to finish the season I still wonder did we build this entire thing backwards?
Having an offense that's just good enough isn't sustainable in todays NFL.
The answer to this question is unequivocally yes. Despite last years success, this organization has made a litany of bad decisions that will haunt them for a long time. Building a run based smash mouth offense, in an era where passing the ball is much easier, effective, and efficient, is just one of the mistakes they've made. The biggest mistake was hitching their wagons to Blake Bortles, a QB that needs everything to go right for him in order to play at an above average level, and is incapable of raising the level of play of the offensive players around him. That decision alone impacted the coaching hire, as I personally believe Doug Marrone was one of the only coaches they interviewed who threw support behind Blake Bortles. That decision is also the reason why this team feels it needs to play a run first, ball control offense, they know their QB has limitations and is incapable of carrying an offense.
But more than anything, the decision to hitch their wagons to Blake Bortles had a definite impact on the 2017 draft, as they were never going to consider drafting a QB (Pat Mahomes/Deshaun Watson) with the 4th overall pick. Instead they opted to take a RB (to hide their QB) who has had injury issues dating all the way back to 2015. Whats ironic about the Fournette pick is the Jags had the good fortune in 2016 of the Cowboys passing on Jalen Ramsey for Zeke, only to make the same mistake themselves a year later. Hindsight is 20/20, but imagine if we had hired Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan and paired those young creative offensive minds with Patrick Mahomes. Imagine if had seriously made a run at Kirk Cousins, who continues to play productive despite playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. This organization has made franchise changing decisions with a closed mind the past two seasons, and now its rearing its ugly head.
(10-14-2018, 06:43 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]yep
won't change until they get a new head coach, this guy is as old school as it gets
We said that about Gus Bradley, Mularky, and JDR
If Bortles is your QB, its built wrong.
Problems I see
-o line and depth at o line.
-qb needs addressing, bring in a vet and draft a guy.
- defense has regressed, dbs getting beat and when we go into zone that gets beat too. Puzzling how this defense got worse.
- not ready to torch coaches but preparation needs to be better, both coordinators are doing a bad job calling their respective units.
Also, we need a MLB. Move jack to strong side, I don't know of he is aligning the defense but whoever is doing it is a far cry from poz.
(10-14-2018, 06:43 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 06:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone in the FO anticipated the offense struggling so much and I don't think they anticipated the current trend of coordinators finding the weaknesses in Wash's scheme and coverages.
The offense will take acquisitions to fix, the defense may be easier by tweaking the scheme as other teams adapt.
I think our problem is deeper than tweaking the scheme on defense.
That defense is stacked with talent. Smarter coordinators are picking apart the zone and lines that can block our front four are doing damage through the air. It's tweakable IMO.
(10-14-2018, 06:45 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]If Bortles is your QB, its built wrong.
This, they had an opportunity to upgrade the position (Mahomes/Watson) and get said QB on a rookie deal (5 years of control at a relatively cost affordable per year number), rookie contracts for QB's is one of the biggest competitive advantages in all of sports. The Universe is forgiving and gave them another opportunity to upgrade the position a year later, its rare that a franchise QB makes it to free agency, this team never even considered seriously pursuing Kirk Cousins, who has playing some of the best football of his life behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. This organization hitched its wagon to the wrong guy and is now paying the consequences
(10-14-2018, 06:45 PM)jagforlife85 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 06:01 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Going into this year the picture seemed clear. Our plan since we started the Caldwell build was to build defense through the draft/develop that talent and then sign key free agents to boost our strongest positions. We drafted heavy pass rushers, corners and linebackers. We signed key defensive players on the line and in the secondary. We built what was advertised as the next great generational defense. On offense the plan was to build a smash mouth ground game and have a QB that could manage the game. We didn't invest is keeping key offensive players when their contracts ran out, we could replace them with younger drafted role players. We signed established linemen and drafted heavy running backs high in the draft during the entire Caldwell build.
Did we do it ALL wrong? Has history not proven that keeping a health cohesive defense is both expensive and near impossible. Look at Seattle they lost some of their LEADERS and the entire defense unraveled. We lost Poz and Colvin and it's starting to look like this defense is unraveling. Was POZ that Leader that was irreplaceable? Would it matter if we had built this team around an offensive powerhouse?
In todays NFL building around the defense and rushing game is building a team to compete in the wrong decade. It's not sustainable long term, it might not even be sustainable year to year. It's only week 6 and even if we can find our magic juice to finish the season I still wonder did we build this entire thing backwards?
Having an offense that's just good enough isn't sustainable in todays NFL.
The answer to this question is unequivocally yes. Despite last years success, this organization has made a litany of bad decisions that will haunt them for a long time. Building a run based smash mouth offense, in an era where passing the ball is much easier, effective, and efficient, is just one of the mistakes they've made. The biggest mistake was hitching their wagons to Blake Bortles, a QB that needs everything to go right for him in order to play at an above average level, and is incapable of raising the level of play of the offensive players around him. That decision alone impacted the coaching hire, as I personally believe Doug Marrone was one of the only coaches they interviewed who through support behind Blake Bortles. That decision is also the reason why this team feels it needs to play a run first, ball control offense, they know their QB has limitations and is incapable of carrying an offense.
But more than anything, the decision to hitch their wagons to Blake Bortles had a definite impact on the 2017 draft, as they were never going to consider drafting a QB (Pat Mahomes/Deshaun Watson) with the 4th overall pick. Instead they opted to take a RB (to hide their QB) who has had injury issues dating all the way back to 2015. Whats ironic about the Fournette pick is the Jags had the good fortune in 2016 of the Cowboys passing on Jalen Ramsey for Zeke, only to make the same mistake themselves a year later. Hindsight is 20/20, but imagine if we had hired Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan and paired those young creative offensive minds with Patrick Mahomes. Imagine if had seriously made a run at Kirk Cousins, who continues to play productive despite playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. This organization has not had an open mind the past two seasons and now its rearing its ugly head.
this is the greatest post ever
(10-14-2018, 06:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 06:43 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]I think our problem is deeper than tweaking the scheme on defense.
That defense is stacked with talent. Smarter coordinators are picking apart the zone and lines that can block our front four are doing damage through the air. It's tweakable IMO.
So why can't our front 4 get pressure anymore?
Why are we not able to stop subpar offensive units? The Giants are no power house and they moved the ball on this defense. Same with the tacks while they didn't score they moved the ball almost at will. The chiefs and cowboys man handled our defense. That's not the result I expect from a talent stacked defense.
Last year we had a great scheme but that's got tape on it now. To me the struggles of this unit now tells me last year's success was schemed.
(10-14-2018, 06:53 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 06:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That defense is stacked with talent. Smarter coordinators are picking apart the zone and lines that can block our front four are doing damage through the air. It's tweakable IMO.
So why can't our front 4 get pressure anymore?
...
They
are getting pressure against most of the lines and QBs they face.
Dallas' O-line is doing a great job today, and in KC Mahomes bought time with his mobility, even when they sent extra guys at times. That stuff won't happen every week.
Yea. The defense disguised how bad BB5 is. Now that Doug Marrone and his cronies have gutted the soul of the team, it is clear as day.
We were not in a position from a successful franchise point to draft a RB and we did, when we could have had Mahomes
I have said for years Caldwell is trash, and never waivered on that.
(10-14-2018, 06:45 PM)jagforlife85 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 06:01 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Going into this year the picture seemed clear. Our plan since we started the Caldwell build was to build defense through the draft/develop that talent and then sign key free agents to boost our strongest positions. We drafted heavy pass rushers, corners and linebackers. We signed key defensive players on the line and in the secondary. We built what was advertised as the next great generational defense. On offense the plan was to build a smash mouth ground game and have a QB that could manage the game. We didn't invest is keeping key offensive players when their contracts ran out, we could replace them with younger drafted role players. We signed established linemen and drafted heavy running backs high in the draft during the entire Caldwell build.
Did we do it ALL wrong? Has history not proven that keeping a health cohesive defense is both expensive and near impossible. Look at Seattle they lost some of their LEADERS and the entire defense unraveled. We lost Poz and Colvin and it's starting to look like this defense is unraveling. Was POZ that Leader that was irreplaceable? Would it matter if we had built this team around an offensive powerhouse?
In todays NFL building around the defense and rushing game is building a team to compete in the wrong decade. It's not sustainable long term, it might not even be sustainable year to year. It's only week 6 and even if we can find our magic juice to finish the season I still wonder did we build this entire thing backwards?
Having an offense that's just good enough isn't sustainable in todays NFL.
The answer to this question is unequivocally yes. Despite last years success, this organization has made a litany of bad decisions that will haunt them for a long time. Building a run based smash mouth offense, in an era where passing the ball is much easier, effective, and efficient, is just one of the mistakes they've made. The biggest mistake was hitching their wagons to Blake Bortles, a QB that needs everything to go right for him in order to play at an above average level, and is incapable of raising the level of play of the offensive players around him. That decision alone impacted the coaching hire, as I personally believe Doug Marrone was one of the only coaches they interviewed who threw support behind Blake Bortles. That decision is also the reason why this team feels it needs to play a run first, ball control offense, they know their QB has limitations and is incapable of carrying an offense.
But more than anything, the decision to hitch their wagons to Blake Bortles had a definite impact on the 2017 draft, as they were never going to consider drafting a QB (Pat Mahomes/Deshaun Watson) with the 4th overall pick. Instead they opted to take a RB (to hide their QB) who has had injury issues dating all the way back to 2015. Whats ironic about the Fournette pick is the Jags had the good fortune in 2016 of the Cowboys passing on Jalen Ramsey for Zeke, only to make the same mistake themselves a year later. Hindsight is 20/20, but imagine if we had hired Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan and paired those young creative offensive minds with Patrick Mahomes. Imagine if had seriously made a run at Kirk Cousins, who continues to play productive despite playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. This organization has made franchise changing decisions with a closed mind the past two seasons, and now its rearing its ugly head.
Dude....
I COULDNT AGREE ANYMORE!!!!
Bravo, I hope more people take the time to read this!
This is the truth!
yeldon hasnt been back in since he took himself out with an injurty