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At this point, I'd draft a QB in the 1st round and a QB in the 6th or 7th round, just to improve our odds.

(10-28-2018, 07:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, I'd draft a QB in the 1st round and a QB in the 6th or 7th round, just to improve our odds.

My fear is that either there is not a true franchise QB in this upcoming draft, or that we won't be able to maneuver to get him. Just because a QB has a first round grade, doesn't mean he is a franchise QB (see: Leaf, Ryan). Just because the Jaguars have a need at QB, and just because many teams that look as though they will pick in the top 5-10 this year already have their QB position settled this year, doesn't mean we'll get one of the top ranked ones.

(10-28-2018, 07:47 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 07:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, I'd draft a QB in the 1st round and a QB in the 6th or 7th round, just to improve our odds.

My fear is that either there is not a true franchise QB in this upcoming draft, or that we won't be able to maneuver to get him. Just because a QB has a first round grade, doesn't mean he is a franchise QB (see: Leaf, Ryan). Just because the Jaguars have a need at QB, and just because many teams that look as though they will pick in the top 5-10 this year already have their QB position settled this year, doesn't mean we'll get one of the top ranked ones.

I agree. The only guys I am really high on are Herbert and Haskins. There is a chance, one or both doesn't even declare. I am starting to cool a bit on Lock. At this point, if Herbert and Haskins aren't in the mix, I trade out of the first round to accumulate picks for 2020. I then make sure I sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's an UFA at the end of the season and he could at least make us competitive until we found our franchise guy. I don't wanna force the issue of drafting a QB either. I believe Herbert and Haskins are franchise players, but that doesn't mean we will be in position to get either one. If we can't, we go with option B and wait another year with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

(10-28-2018, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 07:47 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]My fear is that either there is not a true franchise QB in this upcoming draft, or that we won't be able to maneuver to get him. Just because a QB has a first round grade, doesn't mean he is a franchise QB (see: Leaf, Ryan). Just because the Jaguars have a need at QB, and just because many teams that look as though they will pick in the top 5-10 this year already have their QB position settled this year, doesn't mean we'll get one of the top ranked ones.

I agree. The only guys I am really high on are Herbert and Haskins. There is a chance, one or both doesn't even declare. I am starting to cool a bit on Lock. At this point, if Herbert and Haskins aren't in the mix, I trade out of the first round to accumulate picks for 2020. I then make sure I sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's an UFA at the end of the season and he could at least make us competitive until we found our franchise guy. I don't wanna force the issue of drafting a QB either. I believe Herbert and Haskins are franchise players, but that doesn't mean we will be in position to get either one. If we can't, we go with option B and wait another year with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

The thing is, each time I could see how/why they made the decision they made. They were IN a position to get a guy they thought would be a franchise QB in 2014, and instead of pulling a Cleveland and trading down away from that position (like the Browns did with Wentz), they took Bortles. Last year, TC came aboard and influenced the draft. If you look at his history, he prefers the bigger RB, and the Jaguars struggled mightily the years before sustaining drives on the ground, holding onto leads, finishing games, and converting short yardage (see Ravens game from 2016). They took Fournette instead of taking Watson or Mahomes. It paid off short term. Then this year, they were just coming off the AFC championship with Bortles. They wanted to maybe improve some of the pieces around him and secure the future for as much of the defensive stars as possible. which is why they didn't go too hard after Cousins or Smith. But I'm fearful we have missed our chance to get a QB that will get this team in the Super Bowl for some time. Heck, the Chiefs hadn't drafted and hit on a franchise QB since Len Dawson in the 1960s (that's over 50 years ago). I don't think I have 50 years left in me. LOL

(10-21-2018, 05:58 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]There is simply no way. Caldwell would lose his job immediately. He already had a hard time finding a HC that was willing to work with BB5. He will not shoot himself in the foot a second third time (I hope).

Gus was the 1st shot, extending Blake was #2. If he did that again that would certainly have to be the 3rd big strike.

(10-28-2018, 08:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. The only guys I am really high on are Herbert and Haskins. There is a chance, one or both doesn't even declare. I am starting to cool a bit on Lock. At this point, if Herbert and Haskins aren't in the mix, I trade out of the first round to accumulate picks for 2020. I then make sure I sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's an UFA at the end of the season and he could at least make us competitive until we found our franchise guy. I don't wanna force the issue of drafting a QB either. I believe Herbert and Haskins are franchise players, but that doesn't mean we will be in position to get either one. If we can't, we go with option B and wait another year with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

The thing is, each time I could see how/why they made the decision they made. They were IN a position to get a guy they thought would be a franchise QB in 2014, and instead of pulling a Cleveland and trading down away from that position (like the Browns did with Wentz), they took Bortles. Last year, TC came aboard and influenced the draft. If you look at his history, he prefers the bigger RB, and the Jaguars struggled mightily the years before sustaining drives on the ground, holding onto leads, finishing games, and converting short yardage (see Ravens game from 2016). They took Fournette instead of taking Watson or Mahomes. It paid off short term. Then this year, they were just coming off the AFC championship with Bortles. They wanted to maybe improve some of the pieces around him and secure the future for as much of the defensive stars as possible. which is why they didn't go too hard after Cousins or Smith. But I'm fearful we have missed our chance to get a QB that will get this team in the Super Bowl for some time. Heck, the Chiefs hadn't drafted and hit on a franchise QB since Len Dawson in the 1960s (that's over 50 years ago). I don't think I have 50 years left in me. LOL

Honestly it doesn't matter who we work with at QB.  I think these guys would ruin Tom Brady.  We have a throw back philosophy and they don't even want to stick with their own philosophy.  How much of the playbook is even available to the coaches?  It is so dang hard to get a QB that is middle of the pack or better.  You have to be stubborn about getting a QB.

What upsets me about this franchise is everytime it is obvious that we screwed up at QB, we pass on suitable replacements.  And dang don't we have a love affair with projects around here.  Bortles is tough as hell and that is it.  He is cursed and a curse.  Even when he breaks out a good read/play the wheels fall off (drops and fumbles).

It is very likely we go middle of the pack with this "powerhouse" defense for the next 2 years and end up with nothing on either side of the ball.  We have yet to get and stick with a WR that has any chemistry with any QB.  Is it even possible to get a franchise tackle anymore?

In summary, this team is tough to watch outside of our Kicker.  Lambo is the team MVP.

(10-28-2018, 08:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. The only guys I am really high on are Herbert and Haskins. There is a chance, one or both doesn't even declare. I am starting to cool a bit on Lock. At this point, if Herbert and Haskins aren't in the mix, I trade out of the first round to accumulate picks for 2020. I then make sure I sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's an UFA at the end of the season and he could at least make us competitive until we found our franchise guy. I don't wanna force the issue of drafting a QB either. I believe Herbert and Haskins are franchise players, but that doesn't mean we will be in position to get either one. If we can't, we go with option B and wait another year with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

The thing is, each time I could see how/why they made the decision they made. They were IN a position to get a guy they thought would be a franchise QB in 2014, and instead of pulling a Cleveland and trading down away from that position (like the Browns did with Wentz), they took Bortles. Last year, TC came aboard and influenced the draft. If you look at his history, he prefers the bigger RB, and the Jaguars struggled mightily the years before sustaining drives on the ground, holding onto leads, finishing games, and converting short yardage (see Ravens game from 2016). They took Fournette instead of taking Watson or Mahomes. It paid off short term. Then this year, they were just coming off the AFC championship with Bortles. They wanted to maybe improve some of the pieces around him and secure the future for as much of the defensive stars as possible. which is why they didn't go too hard after Cousins or Smith. But I'm fearful we have missed our chance to get a QB that will get this team in the Super Bowl for some time. Heck, the Chiefs hadn't drafted and hit on a franchise QB since Len Dawson in the 1960s (that's over 50 years ago). I don't think I have 50 years left in me. LOL

The Mahomes/Watson draft was right after Blake has his godawful 2016 season though...there is no legitimate how/why'ing your way into picking a RB top 5 in that scenario. They simply made a disastrous pick that snowballed into extending Bortles and doubling down on the 1980's archaic offense that is going to cost us an entire contention window.

I am not saying Bortles is playing great, but any QB at this point behind this line and the current stack of WRs would not be very much better.

Cole has screwed the pooch several times in the last few games and our defense is banged up and overrated based on performance and scheme.

Thank god the team has a bye week.

(10-28-2018, 09:39 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 08:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is, each time I could see how/why they made the decision they made. They were IN a position to get a guy they thought would be a franchise QB in 2014, and instead of pulling a Cleveland and trading down away from that position (like the Browns did with Wentz), they took Bortles. Last year, TC came aboard and influenced the draft. If you look at his history, he prefers the bigger RB, and the Jaguars struggled mightily the years before sustaining drives on the ground, holding onto leads, finishing games, and converting short yardage (see Ravens game from 2016). They took Fournette instead of taking Watson or Mahomes. It paid off short term. Then this year, they were just coming off the AFC championship with Bortles. They wanted to maybe improve some of the pieces around him and secure the future for as much of the defensive stars as possible. which is why they didn't go too hard after Cousins or Smith. But I'm fearful we have missed our chance to get a QB that will get this team in the Super Bowl for some time. Heck, the Chiefs hadn't drafted and hit on a franchise QB since Len Dawson in the 1960s (that's over 50 years ago). I don't think I have 50 years left in me. LOL

The Mahomes/Watson draft was right after Blake has his godawful 2016 season though...there is no legitimate how/why'ing your way into picking a RB top 5 in that scenario. They simply made a disastrous pick that snowballed into extending Bortles and doubling down on the 1980's archaic offense that is going to cost us an entire contention window.

I don't think this team could successfully coach either QB like they are getting with their current teams.  Because the Giants passed on a QB this year for Barkley and Eli, everyone outside of Jacksonville will forget how badly we have blown it.

(10-28-2018, 09:51 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this team could successfully coach either QB like they are getting with their current teams.  Because the Giants passed on a QB this year for Barkley and Eli, everyone outside of Jacksonville will forget how badly we have blown it.

Barkley has been 100x better than Fournette, and yet I routinely see people bash the Giants for taking RB instead of QB. And rightfully so.

(10-28-2018, 08:10 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. The only guys I am really high on are Herbert and Haskins. There is a chance, one or both doesn't even declare. I am starting to cool a bit on Lock. At this point, if Herbert and Haskins aren't in the mix, I trade out of the first round to accumulate picks for 2020. I then make sure I sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, to a 1 or 2 year deal. He's an UFA at the end of the season and he could at least make us competitive until we found our franchise guy. I don't wanna force the issue of drafting a QB either. I believe Herbert and Haskins are franchise players, but that doesn't mean we will be in position to get either one. If we can't, we go with option B and wait another year with Fitzpatrick at the helm.

The thing is, each time I could see how/why they made the decision they made. They were IN a position to get a guy they thought would be a franchise QB in 2014, and instead of pulling a Cleveland and trading down away from that position (like the Browns did with Wentz), they took Bortles. Last year, TC came aboard and influenced the draft. If you look at his history, he prefers the bigger RB, and the Jaguars struggled mightily the years before sustaining drives on the ground, holding onto leads, finishing games, and converting short yardage (see Ravens game from 2016). They took Fournette instead of taking Watson or Mahomes. It paid off short term. Then this year, they were just coming off the AFC championship with Bortles. They wanted to maybe improve some of the pieces around him and secure the future for as much of the defensive stars as possible. which is why they didn't go too hard after Cousins or Smith. But I'm fearful we have missed our chance to get a QB that will get this team in the Super Bowl for some time. Heck, the Chiefs hadn't drafted and hit on a franchise QB since Len Dawson in the 1960s (that's over 50 years ago). I don't think I have 50 years left in me. LOL

I really believe we missed a chance to get a game changing QB last year. Like I said, if there's not one in this coming draft, don't force the issue. We did force it in 2014. That was a bad draft class. The top QB's were Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater and Carr. Manziel had a ton of off the field baggage, he was small and he had a reputation for not wanting to put in the work. He was a walking red flag. Now, he's out of the league. Bridgewater was rail thin with tooth picks for legs. Although he was decent, he didn't look like a franchise guy. Now, he looks like a lifetime backup at best. Carr was probably the best of the bunch, but he was nothing spectacular and the mere mention of his name on the board, seemed cursed, as people here utterly did not want him at all, because his older brother turned out to be a "busts". It turns out, he's not much better than Bortles. Regardless of how much we need a new QB, if there's no franchise guys declaring for this draft, we need to recognize that and be patient. Taking the wrong QB, can set a team back 5 years.