(10-21-2018, 07:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 07:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Kessler makes quick decisions and can actually leave his first read. His only interception was in no way his fault.
Im ready to roll with him. What’s the worst thing that can happen? Zero points in the first half?
That INT was just as much his fault as it was Yeldons.. Throw a better ball and Yeldon doesn't have to try and finger tip catch it.
It was a little wide and hot, but Yeldon is paid to make those types of catches.
(10-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 07:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]That INT was just as much his fault as it was Yeldons.. Throw a better ball and Yeldon doesn't have to try and finger tip catch it.
It was a little wide and hot, but Yeldon is paid to make those types of catches.
It was more than just a little wide. He barely got his finger tips on the ball.
(10-21-2018, 06:43 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Bi-polar Bortles will be back next week.
He's due for a manic episode where he looks like Tom Brady.
Can't miss out on that.
I think Bortles will be back next week or shortly thereafter, but not because he's due for a performance on the opposite end of the spectrum.
When we acquired Kessler, I believed the team could win with him over a short term basis. But that was also based upon the assumption of relatively good health of the supporting offensive personnel.
With the weaknesses in the supporting personnel we have now, a Kessler run will likely be short lived. Either his flaws will be exposed behind this sieve of an OL and the team would bring back Bortles out of desperation, or somehow the team will make a deal for a veteran QB that would be a better alternative.
Me? If Carr is truly on the trade block, I try to swing a deal for him...not so much for this year, but beyond.
(10-21-2018, 08:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 06:43 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Bi-polar Bortles will be back next week.
He's due for a manic episode where he looks like Tom Brady.
Can't miss out on that.
I think Bortles will be back next week or shortly thereafter, but not because he's due for a performance on the opposite end of the spectrum.
When we acquired Kessler, I believed the team could win with him over a short term basis. But that was also based upon the assumption of relatively good health of the supporting offensive personnel.
With the weaknesses in the supporting personnel we have now, a Kessler run will likely be short lived. Either his flaws will be exposed behind this sieve of an OL and the team would bring back Bortles out of desperation, or somehow the team will make a deal for a veteran QB that would be a better alternative.
At this point I’d rather save our 5 remaining draft picks for, you know, the draft. We’d be better taking a stab at a rookie then going after some recycled vet. Or make a run at Teddy B in free agency next year.
(10-21-2018, 07:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 07:54 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]It was a little wide and hot, but Yeldon is paid to make those types of catches.
It was more than just a little wide. He barely got his finger tips on the ball.
I thought he got two hands on the ball.
You were right. I went back and looked at it in slow mo and he could only get the fingers of his left hand on the ball which weren't strong enough to knock it down.
That's on Kessler. Yeldon shouldn't be credited with a drop.
(10-21-2018, 08:08 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I think Bortles will be back next week or shortly thereafter, but not because he's due for a performance on the opposite end of the spectrum.
When we acquired Kessler, I believed the team could win with him over a short term basis. But that was also based upon the assumption of relatively good health of the supporting offensive personnel.
With the weaknesses in the supporting personnel we have now, a Kessler run will likely be short lived. Either his flaws will be exposed behind this sieve of an OL and the team would bring back Bortles out of desperation, or somehow the team will make a deal for a veteran QB that would be a better alternative.
At this point I’d rather save our 5 remaining draft picks for, you know, the draft. We’d be better taking a stab at a rookie then going after some recycled vet. Or make a run at Teddy B in free agency next year.
See, the draft is for acquiring talent. That talent doesn't always have to be rookies.
Plenty of good veterans have been acquired via trade over the years. Heck, we acquired Dareus last year, and he bolstered our run defense.
We acquired Kessler and Hyde this year.
Other players who have been acquired via trade include, but are not limited to: Brunell, Charles Haley, Fred Dean, Steve Young, John Dutton, Jerome Bettis, Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Khalil Mack.
Even if you assume the salary cap departures of 2-3 defensive players, we should still have a pretty good defense next year-assuming good health and some offensive support. I think an experienced QB would get the most immediate return from the team overall.
(10-21-2018, 08:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:08 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]At this point I’d rather save our 5 remaining draft picks for, you know, the draft. We’d be better taking a stab at a rookie then going after some recycled vet. Or make a run at Teddy B in free agency next year.
See, the draft is for acquiring talent. That talent doesn't always have to be rookies.
Plenty of good veterans have been acquired via trade over the years. Heck, we acquired Dareus last year, and he bolstered our run defense.
We acquired Kessler and Hyde this year.
Other players who have been acquired via trade include, but are not limited to: Brunell, Charles Haley, Fred Dean, Steve Young, John Dutton, Jerome Bettis, Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Khalil Mack.
Even if you assume the salary cap departures of 2-3 defensive players, we should still have a pretty good defense next year-assuming good health and some offensive support. I think an experienced QB would get the most immediate return from the team overall.
Which is why I would go after a FA QB and look to draft a QB early. There are only feasibly two QBs who could possibly be had in a trade and be considered an upgrade (Carr and Foles) but both would require a high draft pick to acquire and both wouldn’t stand a chance behind this O-Line.
I hope they stick with Kessler. He seems much more efficient in the offense.
(10-21-2018, 08:43 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I hope they stick with Kessler. He seems much more efficient in the offense.
Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
The only advantage Bortles gives us is his legs. Even that lately has been iffy. He's been skiddish in the pocket and making bad decisions. Kessler is perfect for the dink and dunk offense Hackett has been running. All of Blake's big games have been on cross and go type routes. Kessler is way more accurate and the ball is easier to catch because they're not ducks. We had the momentum driving until that INT. If that didn't happen I see us making it a close game with Kessler leading the comeback.
(10-21-2018, 08:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:43 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I hope they stick with Kessler. He seems much more efficient in the offense.
Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
It was quite shocking at the point I realized who ever is playing QB has next to no weapons.
The regression of our receiving core, and the pure invisibility of our TE's is nothing short of astonishing. Seriously disappointing. Cole is a liability out there, and I think they are punishing him for his drops by making him play teams.
Couple that with the Line being unable to run block at all, and we shouldn't be surprised at this, and going forward, with Kessler or Blake.
(10-21-2018, 08:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:43 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I hope they stick with Kessler. He seems much more efficient in the offense.
Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
He is accurate and decisive. 2 traits Blake is not.
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(10-21-2018, 08:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:43 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I hope they stick with Kessler. He seems much more efficient in the offense.
Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
What will they do different to him than they do to Bortles?
From listening to the coach's presser, I don't think that the "Kessler era has begun" by any means. He (the coach) was pretty much putting ALL players on notice, particularly the offense. It's all about protecting the football. I would be pretty surprised if Bortles doesn't start next week. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Cole lose some snaps with the couple of key drops that he had in the 1st half (coach Marrone was pretty upset with pass drops in his presser).
For those that love to hate on Moncrief. He was our leading receiver today and caught 7 of 10 passes for 76 yards. Keelan Cole caught 2 of 7 for 21 yards with at least 2 (possibly 3) dropped passes that should have been caught. Those dropped passes could have possibly changed the momentum of the game.
Bortles was pretty much a scapegoat today with his benching, and hopefully it sends a message to the rest of the team. Nobody is "safe" or beyond getting benched.
(10-21-2018, 09:02 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]From listening to the coach's presser, I don't think that the "Kessler era has begun" by any means. He (the coach) was pretty much putting ALL players on notice, particularly the offense. It's all about protecting the football. I would be pretty surprised if Bortles doesn't start next week. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Cole lose some snaps with the couple of key drops that he had in the 1st half (coach Marrone was pretty upset with pass drops in his presser).
For those that love to hate on Moncrief. He was our leading receiver today and caught 7 of 10 passes for 76 yards. Keelan Cole caught 2 of 7 for 21 yards with at least 2 (possibly 3) dropped passes that should have been caught. Those dropped passes could have possibly changed the momentum of the game.
Bortles was pretty much a scapegoat today with his benching, and hopefully it sends a message to the rest of the team. Nobody is "safe" or beyond getting benched.
I think you will be surprised come next Sunday
Kessler isn't a long term solution. If he ends up playing the rest of the year, all that means is we'll be playing for an early draft pick.
(10-21-2018, 08:56 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
It was quite shocking at the point I realized who ever is playing QB has next to no weapons.
The regression of our receiving core, and the pure invisibility of our TE's is nothing short of astonishing. Seriously disappointing. Cole is a liability out there, and I think they are punishing him for his drops by making him play teams.
Couple that with the Line being unable to run block at all, and we shouldn't be surprised at this, and going forward, with Kessler or Blake.
The graphics I saw earlier about the injuries to our offense were sobering.
You mentioned the invisibility of the TEs?
Today we were down to our 4th TE-Grimmage-a guy we cut in training camp.
I am not sure what happened with Cole. You may recall, he had problems with drops in training camp of his rookie year, then came on like gangbusters late. now, the dropsies have returned. I don't know if he is pressing, if BB did not put him in good position or what, but he's dropping even routine short stuff, and his drops are killing drives.
I still think Chark represents legitimate hope at WR. He's not polished yet, but he has size and deep speed.
But because of the OL, QB, and RB issues, his potential won't begin to be realized until next year.
(10-21-2018, 09:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:46 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Be not deceived.
His physical limitations will be apparent when teams prepare for him, especially behind this OL.
What will they do different to him than they do to Bortles?
He doesn't have the mobility or arm strength of Bortles. He's not as experienced, either.
Not that the receivers are getting a ton of vertical separation, but I think the underneath coverage will tighten, and the blitzes will become more frequent.
(10-21-2018, 09:07 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 08:56 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]It was quite shocking at the point I realized who ever is playing QB has next to no weapons.
The regression of our receiving core, and the pure invisibility of our TE's is nothing short of astonishing. Seriously disappointing. Cole is a liability out there, and I think they are punishing him for his drops by making him play teams.
Couple that with the Line being unable to run block at all, and we shouldn't be surprised at this, and going forward, with Kessler or Blake.
The graphic I saw earlier about the injuries to our offense were sobering.
You mentioned the invisibility of the TEs?
Today we were down to our 4th TE-Grimmage-a guy we cut in training camp.
I am not sure what happened with Cole. You may recall, he had problems with drops in training camp of his rookie year, then came on like gangbusters late. now, the dropsies have returned. I don't know if he is pressing, if BB did not put him in good position or what, but he's dropping even routine shirt stuff, and his drops are killing drives.
I still think Chark represents legitimate hope at WR. He's not polished yet, but he has size and deep speed.
But because of the OL, QB, and RB issues, his potential won't begin to be realized until next year.
One thing that really bothers me about Cole specifically is his stopping on crossing routes. That happened some last year as well.
I agree, after reading your comments reminding about camp, that it shouldn't be shocking, but it sure is disappointing.
The O as NO EDGE, no Go To, and we seem to insist in putting BB in tough spots time and time again.
His turnovers were terrible, but they were born out of trying to make something happen, because no one else is. He has to be better, but everyone else is living down to their worst expectations , for sure.
(10-21-2018, 09:02 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]From listening to the coach's presser, I don't think that the "Kessler era has begun" by any means. He (the coach) was pretty much putting ALL players on notice, particularly the offense. It's all about protecting the football. I would be pretty surprised if Bortles doesn't start next week. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Cole lose some snaps with the couple of key drops that he had in the 1st half (coach Marrone was pretty upset with pass drops in his presser).
For those that love to hate on Moncrief. He was our leading receiver today and caught 7 of 10 passes for 76 yards. Keelan Cole caught 2 of 7 for 21 yards with at least 2 (possibly 3) dropped passes that should have been caught. Those dropped passes could have possibly changed the momentum of the game.
Bortles was pretty much a scapegoat today with his benching, and hopefully it sends a message to the rest of the team. Nobody is "safe" or beyond getting benched.
Two of Cole's drops were on 3rd down which ended the second and third drive of the game. Costly mistakes early can change the whole composure of a game.
Even though I though Bortles was fairly accurate today, I can't say he was a scapegoat. He was responsible for the two biggest mistakes of the game at the time of his benching.