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Looking back Michel should have been the pick. Still to early to tell with Bryan though.

Word is it was Bryan that Yann was going after in the locker room.

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(10-22-2018, 07:28 PM)FSUswag69 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking back Michel should have been the pick. Still to early to tell with Bryan though.

Hernandez or Goedert should of been the pick.  Cann still sucks and will be s FA are the end of the season.

(10-22-2018, 08:04 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Word is it was Bryan that Yann was going after in the locker room.

srsly?

(10-23-2018, 10:05 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2018, 07:28 PM)FSUswag69 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking back Michel should have been the pick. Still to early to tell with Bryan though.

Hernandez or Goedert should of been the pick.  Cann still sucks and will be s FA are the end of the season.

Hernandez got schooled last night on MNF.

This football team has several legitimate major problems.

A rookie that was called "raw" by every single scout that profiled him is looking "raw" halfway through his rookie year.
That is definitely not one of those problems.

Trying to prematurely judge that pick right now is not very smart.

I haven't liked a few of the picks over the past two drafts given our perceived needs, but the jury is still very much out on this one.

(10-23-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This football team has several legitimate major problems.

A rookie that was called "raw" by every single scout that profiled him is looking "raw" halfway through his rookie year.  
That is definitely not one of those problems.

Trying to prematurely judge that pick right now is not very smart.

I haven't liked a few of the picks over the past two drafts given our perceived needs, but the jury is still very much out on this one.

Totally agree.

Bryan isn’t the pick I would have made (Goedert was my choice) but the guy is barely playing on an elite DLine.

(10-23-2018, 10:11 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 10:05 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez or Goedert should of been the pick.  Cann still sucks and will be s FA are the end of the season.

Hernandez got schooled last night on MNF.

He has looked good most of the season

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(10-23-2018, 10:11 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 10:05 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez or Goedert should of been the pick.  Cann still sucks and will be s FA are the end of the season.

Hernandez got schooled last night on MNF.

The guy 90% of us wanted is pff 5th graded guard

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/pla...ndez/46180

(10-22-2018, 08:04 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Word is it was Bryan that Yann was going after in the locker room.

Watching the game on tv it did look like Yann was directing his wrath towards Bryan, however Taven simply did not move, didn’t flinch, nothing. His lack of emotion suggested Yann’s fury was directed elsewhere, either it was or Taven is ice cool.

(10-23-2018, 10:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 10:11 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez got schooled last night on MNF.

He has looked good most of the season

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(10-23-2018, 10:11 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Hernandez got schooled last night on MNF.

The guy 90% of us wanted is pff 5th graded guard

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/pla...ndez/46180

I wanted him, too, and said so in the draft threads.  Last night is the first time I've watched the Giants this year.  He had a bad game.  And that line hasn't protected Eli at all this year.  I'm not defending our choice of Bryan AT ALL.  As far I'm concerned it's a waste of a first round pick.  If you want a developmental DE, find him in Round 3 or later.

My comment was simply that even if we had picked the guy that I wanted, he's not looking good right now according to what I saw.

It's also hard for me to take PFF as an authority when they say we have the 7th most reliable receiving corps but our eyes tell us they have hands of stone.

(10-21-2018, 04:31 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]His lack of awareness and instincts is cause of concern. Measurables through the roof, but can he play football?

Cause for concern?  It's what you pretty much expect from a rookie adjusting to the NFL.  The game will slow down for him eventually.

(10-23-2018, 11:04 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 10:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He has looked good most of the season

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The guy 90% of us wanted is pff 5th graded guard

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/pla...ndez/46180

I wanted him, too, and said so in the draft threads.  Last night is the first time I've watched the Giants this year.  He had a bad game.  And that line hasn't protected Eli at all this year.  I'm not defending our choice of Bryan AT ALL.  As far I'm concerned it's a waste of a first round pick.  If you want a developmental DE, find him in Round 3 or later.

My comment was simply that even if we had picked the guy that I wanted, he's not looking good right now according to what I saw.

It's also hard for me to take PFF as an authority when they say we have the 7th most reliable receiving corps but our eyes tell us they have hands of stone.

I think you're remembering the one glaring whipping Grady Jarrett put on Hernandez. That was very ugly yes (or simply very impressive by Jarrett), but it was just one play. He seemed good otherwise. Granted I was also watching the Spurs/Lakers game on another screen so maybe I missed some stuff.

You're also confusing PFF with NGS, and 7th most reliable with 7th best at separation. I don't think anyone can really argue the separation point, since NGS uses the chips in the shoulder pads to determine the separation distance. I'm sure there is some margin of error with those chips and the GPS, but it can't be very much.

(10-23-2018, 11:41 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]You're also confusing PFF with NGS, and 7th most reliable with 7th best at separation. I don't think anyone can really argue the separation point, since NGS uses the chips in the shoulder pads to determine the separation distance. I'm sure there is some margin of error with those chips and the GPS, but it can't be very much.

You're right.  That's what I was recalling.

(10-23-2018, 11:04 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 10:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He has looked good most of the season

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The guy 90% of us wanted is pff 5th graded guard

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/pla...ndez/46180

I wanted him, too, and said so in the draft threads.  Last night is the first time I've watched the Giants this year.  He had a bad game.  And that line hasn't protected Eli at all this year.  I'm not defending our choice of Bryan AT ALL.  As far I'm concerned it's a waste of a first round pick.  If you want a developmental DE, find him in Round 3 or later.

My comment was simply that even if we had picked the guy that I wanted, he's not looking good right now according to what I saw.

It's also hard for me to take PFF as an authority when they say we have the 7th most reliable receiving corps but our eyes tell us they have hands of stone.

So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol.  I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us.  That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting.  Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year.  Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see

(10-23-2018, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 11:04 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted him, too, and said so in the draft threads.  Last night is the first time I've watched the Giants this year.  He had a bad game.  And that line hasn't protected Eli at all this year.  I'm not defending our choice of Bryan AT ALL.  As far I'm concerned it's a waste of a first round pick.  If you want a developmental DE, find him in Round 3 or later.

My comment was simply that even if we had picked the guy that I wanted, he's not looking good right now according to what I saw.

It's also hard for me to take PFF as an authority when they say we have the 7th most reliable receiving corps but our eyes tell us they have hands of stone.

So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol.  I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us.  That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting.  Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year.  Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see

Okay...Hernandez didn't distinguish himself the whole game.  That line makes ours look good.  It's not like I've not seen any Giants plays all year.  I've watched highlights like any other sports fan.  Last night was the only time I've watched a Giants game.  So that makes my observation of the player in the game invalid, how?  Eli was continually leaving a buckling pocket.  And Atlanta's front 7 aren't nearly as good as ours, for instance.

As far as Bryan is concerned, he may develop into a good player.  But as you seem to agree, nothing about him screamed 1st round pick.  Therefore, with other better players available and other positions of need, the pick was misspent.

(10-23-2018, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 11:04 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted him, too, and said so in the draft threads.  Last night is the first time I've watched the Giants this year.  He had a bad game.  And that line hasn't protected Eli at all this year.  I'm not defending our choice of Bryan AT ALL.  As far I'm concerned it's a waste of a first round pick.  If you want a developmental DE, find him in Round 3 or later.

My comment was simply that even if we had picked the guy that I wanted, he's not looking good right now according to what I saw.

It's also hard for me to take PFF as an authority when they say we have the 7th most reliable receiving corps but our eyes tell us they have hands of stone.

So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol.  I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us.  That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting.  Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year.  Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see

Dave (or Tom) thought our offense was "built" so didn't feel the need to draft any of our needs. Instead taking BAP....err...depth at a position we need...err....

Hmm... not sure what they were thinking. 
Although, at the time I thought "how awesome is it that we're finally good enough to not have to draft need"
shame on me.... Gene fooled me... now Dave has as well.
Although... Fournette, Taven... these 1st rounders sure do have Tom Coughlin's fingerprints all over them don't they?
Perhaps Caldwell had us going in the right direction (except the QB) and Tom came in and messed it up?

I don't even know anymore. But yeah, I would have loved Goedert.

(10-23-2018, 12:29 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol.  I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us.  That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting.  Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year.  Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see

Dave (or Tom) thought our offense was "built" so didn't feel the need to draft any of our needs. Instead taking BAP....err...depth at a position we need...err....

Hmm... not sure what they were thinking. 
Although, at the time I thought "how awesome is it that we're finally good enough to not have to draft need"
shame on me.... Gene fooled me... now Dave has as well.
Although... Fournette, Taven... these 1st rounders sure do have Tom Coughlin's fingerprints all over them don't they?
Perhaps Caldwell had us going in the right direction (except the QB) and Tom came in and messed it up?

I don't even know anymore. But yeah, I would have loved Goedert.

bingo.

(10-23-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This football team has several legitimate major problems.

A rookie that was called "raw" by every single scout that profiled him is looking "raw" halfway through his rookie year.  
That is definitely not one of those problems.

Trying to prematurely judge that pick right now is not very smart.

I haven't liked a few of the picks over the past two drafts given our perceived needs, but the jury is still very much out on this one.

I agree that it’s foolish to prematurely judge  the pick at this point, but I also think the lack of any noticeable play by Bryan so far should be plenty of reason to be concerned. I expect guys talented enough to be drafted in the first round to occasionally flash that potential, even as a rookie. I understand that Bryan has been limited on snaps, but he hasn’t done anything when he’s been out there, not even once. Ive noticed him get turned around on a run play to his side, but i havent noticed him beat his man or even be close to making a play on the ball. At this point hes a Tyson Alualu clone.

(10-23-2018, 12:29 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2018, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol.  I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us.  That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting.  Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year.  Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see

Okay...Hernandez didn't distinguish himself the whole game.  That line makes ours look good.  It's not like I've not seen any Giants plays all year.  I've watched highlights like any other sports fan.  Last night was the only time I've watched a Giants game.  So that makes my observation of the player in the game invalid, how?  Eli was continually leaving a buckling pocket.  And Atlanta's front 7 aren't nearly as good as ours, for instance.

As far as Bryan is concerned, he may develop into a good player.  But as you seem to agree, nothing about him screamed 1st round pick.  Therefore, with other better players available and other positions of need, the pick was misspent.

His play was bad enough last night he dropped from 5th to 9th on PFF so your observation must have been spot on.