(10-23-2018, 11:29 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2018, 04:31 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]His lack of awareness and instincts is cause of concern. Measurables through the roof, but can he play football?
Cause for concern? It's what you pretty much expect from a rookie adjusting to the NFL. The game will slow down for him eventually.
No I disagree with that. At every level you can tell if a player has instincts. There's a massive difference between a rookie learning the game with instincts built in his DNA, and one without. Gym warriors dont make you a great football player. He proved nothing at the collegiate level. Drafted purely because of measurables.
(10-23-2018, 04:30 PM)Treestone Ice Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This football team has several legitimate major problems.
A rookie that was called "raw" by every single scout that profiled him is looking "raw" halfway through his rookie year.
That is definitely not one of those problems.
Trying to prematurely judge that pick right now is not very smart.
I haven't liked a few of the picks over the past two drafts given our perceived needs, but the jury is still very much out on this one.
I agree that it’s foolish to prematurely judge the pick at this point, but I also think the lack of any noticeable play by Bryan so far should be plenty of reason to be concerned. I expect guys talented enough to be drafted in the first round to occasionally flash that potential, even as a rookie. I understand that Bryan has been limited on snaps, but he hasn’t done anything when he’s been out there, not even once. Ive noticed him get turned around on a run play to his side, but i havent noticed him beat his man or even be close to making a play on the ball. At this point hes a Tyson Alualu clone.
I've actually seen him execute a nice bull rush 3 or 4 times that moved the QB off of his spot. And I've seen him shed a block to get after the QB just a split second too late to register a pressure/hurry a few times as well. That's something to build upon in my eyes. I'll try to find specific examples at some point.
Am I disappointed he hasn't flashed more? Sure, I'd feel a lot better about him were that the case.
I just think we've seen a small sample from a raw rookie thus far.
He definitely didn't seem to show up vs either team from texas we've faced.
(10-23-2018, 12:29 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]So you bring up 1 bad play and say you haven't watched dthe Giants much, lol. I like Bryan and think he will be really good for us. That said I think you should mix BPA and need when drafting. Huge need at guard and TE and I just didnt see Bryan head and should above those 2 and could of helped us this year. Maybe he will be that much better than those 2, we shall see
Okay...Hernandez didn't distinguish himself the whole game. That line makes ours look good. It's not like I've not seen any Giants plays all year. I've watched highlights like any other sports fan. Last night was the only time I've watched a Giants game. So that makes my observation of the player in the game invalid, how? Eli was continually leaving a buckling pocket. And Atlanta's front 7 aren't nearly as good as ours, for instance.
As far as Bryan is concerned, he may develop into a good player. But as you seem to agree, nothing about him screamed 1st round pick. Therefore, with other better players available and other positions of need, the pick was misspent.
You did watch week 1? He looked good against our defense. I remember pressure coming from everywhere where but Will. I do think Bryan is a 1st round talent though. I feel Hernandez and Goedert were first round talents as well though and I think they could of helped us this year as well as in the future. I like Bryan and think he will be good I just knew he was raw and wouldn't be much help this year with our loaded dline
(10-23-2018, 07:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 12:29 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Okay...Hernandez didn't distinguish himself the whole game. That line makes ours look good. It's not like I've not seen any Giants plays all year. I've watched highlights like any other sports fan. Last night was the only time I've watched a Giants game. So that makes my observation of the player in the game invalid, how? Eli was continually leaving a buckling pocket. And Atlanta's front 7 aren't nearly as good as ours, for instance.
As far as Bryan is concerned, he may develop into a good player. But as you seem to agree, nothing about him screamed 1st round pick. Therefore, with other better players available and other positions of need, the pick was misspent.
You did watch week 1? He looked good against our defense. I remember pressure coming from everywhere where but Will. I do think Bryan is a 1st round talent though. I feel Hernandez and Goedert were first round talents as well though and I think they could of helped us this year as well as in the future. I like Bryan and think he will be good I just knew he was raw and wouldn't be much help this year with our loaded dline
The real loss was Lamar Jackson being available at #29 and us not pulling the trigger. At worst he offers all the running Bortles does with a stronger arm and quicker release (because lets face it.. Bortles is like the polar opposite of Aikman). We were not set enough at QB to make such a luxury pick like Bryan.
Worth noting that we've been trying Bryan out at DE like Calais Campbell. Bryan has always been an interior player and mostly at 3T DT. I can completely understand that one play where he looked lost against Dak if you've never really had a contain responsibility on the edge ever. He has all the physical tools and seems to have a work ethic, learning from the most talented DL in the league will do wonders for him. Most rookie DL's struggle, Strahan had a single sack, Watt had 5.5 sacks etc. the learning curve is steeper at the NFL level for that position. He'll be fine.
As far as missing out on Hernandez... nah dude got whipped, but Eli was under duress from everywhere else quicker (Flowers for instance) that it wasn't noticeable that youre getting beat bc the tackle on the otherside is a turnstile. Living in NY i've seen Hernandez play a decent amount.. we didnt miss anything with him.
(10-23-2018, 10:46 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 07:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You did watch week 1? He looked good against our defense. I remember pressure coming from everywhere where but Will. I do think Bryan is a 1st round talent though. I feel Hernandez and Goedert were first round talents as well though and I think they could of helped us this year as well as in the future. I like Bryan and think he will be good I just knew he was raw and wouldn't be much help this year with our loaded dline
The real loss was Lamar Jackson being available at #29 and us not pulling the trigger. At worst he offers all the running Bortles does with a stronger arm and quicker release (because lets face it.. Bortles is like the polar opposite of Aikman). We were not set enough at QB to make such a luxury pick like Bryan.
I'll stand up for the team on this one. If you're not completely sold on a QB,
do not draft that QB in the first round. Everything I read at the time said that it wasn't a situation where the Jaguars liked Jackson but avoided him to keep the heat off of Bortles. I remember reading and hearing on NFLN that the Jaguars just didn't like Lamar Jackson. I won't fault the Jags for not putting themselves into a situation where they felt like they were reaching at the worst position to reach for. I may someday fault their evaluation if Jackson turns out to be even a middle of the road starter, but I won't fault them for not pulling the trigger on a guy they didn't like.
(10-23-2018, 11:38 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 10:46 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]The real loss was Lamar Jackson being available at #29 and us not pulling the trigger. At worst he offers all the running Bortles does with a stronger arm and quicker release (because lets face it.. Bortles is like the polar opposite of Aikman). We were not set enough at QB to make such a luxury pick like Bryan.
I'll stand up for the team on this one. If you're not completely sold on a QB, do not draft that QB in the first round. Everything I read at the time said that it wasn't a situation where the Jaguars liked Jackson but avoided him to keep the heat off of Bortles. I remember reading and hearing on NFLN that the Jaguars just didn't like Lamar Jackson. I won't fault the Jags for not putting themselves into a situation where they felt like they were reaching at the worst position to reach for. I may someday fault their evaluation if Jackson turns out to be even a middle of the road starter, but I won't fault them for not pulling the trigger on a guy they didn't like.
From what I hear from Raven's fans he's not a good QB.
Taven Bryan certainly needs developing.
Just read an article about how all he's ever played or been asked to play is 3T
So he probably is a bit lost at times playing end.
I didn't agree with the premise of the article which was "switch him back to 3T"
I think he'll just need a full year to get used to playing something he's probably better suited to play at the NFL level.
He should end up being a fine draft pick.
People are just mad because we could have had a guy that truly helped, this year.
And I totally get that.
But in theory we were supposed to be solid on OL and ASJ was supposed to bring something to TE. Soooo other than QB there wasn't much else to grab except a "future piece" (Could have been a future OL piece though)
(10-23-2018, 04:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 11:29 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Cause for concern? It's what you pretty much expect from a rookie adjusting to the NFL. The game will slow down for him eventually.
No I disagree with that. At every level you can tell if a player has instincts. There's a massive difference between a rookie learning the game with instincts built in his DNA, and one without. Gym warriors dont make you a great football player. He proved nothing at the collegiate level. Drafted purely because of measurables.
He had 30 pressures the year he got drafted and his first step was one of the best I've ever seen. You could argue he wasn't a finished product (which everyone knew including the jags ) but he was a productive pass rusher his final season.
It could well be that Bryan doesn't ever have the instincts and technique to make the most out of his insane physical talent but just remember that development isn't linear. He wasn't expected to be a productive member year 1 so I don't know why those expectations should change.
(10-25-2018, 12:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1055501006262415360
A lot of the people dont care about pff rating. I posted his pff rating earlier in the week. Pff has him an above average to almost good player. I have seen Bryan pressure the QB a few times and make a few good stops against the run. Some people just look at the sack number
pff is flawed as hell
don't base anything on that
I stand by the fact the kid is a bust
you think yannick got in his face in the locker room for being a good team player?
come on.
(10-25-2018, 02:04 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]pff is flawed as hell
don't base anything on that
I stand by the fact the kid is a bust
you think yannick got in his face in the locker room for being a good team player?
come on.
Hmmm I think you are misplaced.
It has been reported Yannick was in the face of Dareus and was being held back or pulled off by Campbell.
When the drama goes down, I doubt the rookie is anywhere around, rather probably at his locker with his head down.
He's like JJ Watt but without the skill and instinct
(10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Haterade Wrote: [ -> ]He's like JJ Watt but without the skill and instinct
2nd time I've heard this JJ Watt reference....
Did someone actually make this comparison or is it just more silliness from our fan base?
(10-25-2018, 03:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Haterade Wrote: [ -> ]He's like JJ Watt but without the skill and instinct
2nd time I've heard this JJ Watt reference....
Did someone actually make this comparison or is it just more silliness from our fan base?
Some talking head made the reference around draft time I think. Can't remember exactly.
(10-25-2018, 03:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Haterade Wrote: [ -> ]He's like JJ Watt but without the skill and instinct
2nd time I've heard this JJ Watt reference....
Did someone actually make this comparison or is it just more silliness from our fan base?
Some darftnik posted a graphic of their similar measurables at draft time.
(10-25-2018, 03:23 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 03:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Some darftnik posted a graphic of their similar measurables at draft time.
Ahhh...
that's funny.
Nearly identical in many categories. It was a surprising comparison to say the least.
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(10-25-2018, 03:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 03:23 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Ahhh...
that's funny.
Nearly identical in many categories. It was a surprising comparison to say the least.
Well Holy cow...
he IS JJ!
Watt wasn't spectacular as a rookie either.
We may be on to something......
(10-25-2018, 03:34 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 03:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nearly identical in many categories. It was a surprising comparison to say the least.
Well Holy cow...
he IS JJ!
Watt wasn't spectacular as a rookie either.
We may be on to something......
Yes, Kane, yes...
... drink the kool-aid. The kool-aid is good!
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