(10-25-2018, 09:32 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The FAs could very well be busts but it's not like they didn't try. They just, possibly, made bad choices.
Norwell to help with the Oline. ASJ to secure the TE. Moncreif and Lee to help with the WRs. Everyone on here was amped for Norwell when they signed him.
If the team turns it around, are you going to stay over in the political side of the message board just like usual?
If a free agent was dominant at their position before the arrived here, don't you have to look at coaches (or lack-thereof)? Either your coaches are trash, which I think they are OR your scheme doesn't fit the strengths of the FA you signed. Either way, its a blunder on the FO and/or coaching.
I don't root against the success of the team. I am simply a realist who forms my own opinions based on what I see. Sue me.
Great.
You made the claim they didn't try to improve. Which isn't true. You're just making up a new claim now.
(10-25-2018, 09:32 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The FAs could very well be busts but it's not like they didn't try. They just, possibly, made bad choices.
Norwell to help with the Oline. ASJ to secure the TE. Moncreif and Lee to help with the WRs. Everyone on here was amped for Norwell when they signed him.
If the team turns it around, are you going to stay over in the political side of the message board just like usual?
I am simply a realist who forms my own opinions based on what I see. Sue me.
"I'm a realist" is the most used cop out for being a negative annoying little twit lol
Usually when you've been busted on some BS and have nothing left to offer to the argument.
It's a defensive tactic similar to the offensive tactic of name calling and grammar/spelling correcting.
(10-25-2018, 07:04 AM)MR FLORIDA Wrote: [ -> ]It's getting close.....but...after taking too long to realize Blake is who he is... (a terrible QB), Doug benches Blake....sees the backup score a TD on the first drive....ONLY to make Blake the starter the following week?
and Dave Caldwell drafted him......over plenty other viable options who ALL look better than Blake today minus Johnny.
then TC, the hard-nosed guy who was supposed to get us going was part of the team that decided it was a smart move to not only re-sign a bust QB who throws more pick 6's than he has GW drives, but to NOT EVEN ATTEMPT to improve the most important position in Football. WE didn't get Jimmy G (WE SHOULD HAVE), we didn't go after Teddy B (WE SHOULD HAVE), we didn't care to move up and make a play on any of the QBs in this draft and all 1st rounders look better than Bortles ALREADY!!
this all leads me to think they don't have a clue on what they are doing with our QB, which is the most important position...therefore.......
I WANT THEM ALL GONE! (including the bust, of course)
as someone who loves this team and wants the best for this franchise....THEY are not helping us get there and the proof is in their decision-making.
#TankForTua #BlakeIsABust #CaldwellShouldveBeenFired3YearsAgo #TomHasntHelpedAny #DougIsCompletelyClueless
now I will get a lot of you calling me all kinds of names and making ignorant comments, but I would like you to be honest and have an honest assessment of what I've said.....it is all true, unfortunately, for us real fans. Blake was bad in year 1 and he's playing terribly in year 5...the entire league knows he's trash....but our front office and coaching staff still wanna play him? WHY?
Why would we NOT be trying out every QB possible? Blake is NOT IT! WE KNOW THIS! I'm sure we all know the definition of insanity right? That's Doug and Dave continuing to think Blake is gonna be anything else than an INT throwing, poor decision making, inaccurate, NON GAME WINNING DRIVE QB!!! It baffles me that we have people who are paid millions that still fail to realize how horrible he is and do nothing about
He did not pull BB5 for his poor perfromance. He stated that if he could he would have benched all 11. but he wanted to make a statement to the entire team that they all suck and can all be replaced. And the one position that gets that statement across to everyone is benching the QB. Now that is what the coach said. You can either beleive that or believe the many many of so called experts that tell you he did it cause the offensive troubles are purely on BB5.
Bortles’ contract in 2019 contains offsets on up to $6.5 million. It’s quite possible that they move on after this season, but I’d say it would probably be for a rookie rather than a more expensive free agent vet based on the fact that it would still be a decent amount of dead cap to eat even with the offset and a rookie wouldn’t cost much.
I disagreed with Bortles’ extension at the time, but I can at least see what they were thinking in doing it rather than letting him play on the option this year. He had just come off of a somewhat impressive December and January and helped get them within minutes of the super bowl. It wasn’t enough of a trend in his performance for me to want to extend him but I can see they were thinking that if that trend did happen to continue, they’d have Bortles locked up at a reasonable amount for the next 3 years during their Super Bowl window and they’d be able to keep most if not all of their other ascending pieces. They also wrote the contract in a team friendly manner that allows them to part ways as soon as next season.
They made a calculated bet and hedged it with the offset language and their bet appears to have been wrong. Front offices make mistakes sometimes, even good ones. Some credit should be given, however, for how the contract was written though. The front office isn’t inept and Doug Marrone still has a winning record here and 3-4 is the 2nd best start this franchise has had since 2010. There’s a lot of football left to be played and we’re still very much in control of our own destiny. Teams that run the ball well and play good defense tend to fare well in the post season. We’re getting Hyde this week and Fournette back soon after that. We’re clearly going to attempt to impose our will on the ground going forward. Let’s see what happens over the next 4 or 5 games and revisit where we are then before proclaiming it needs to be burned to the ground.
(10-25-2018, 10:39 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles’ contract in 2019 contains offsets on up to $6.5 million. It’s quite possible that they move on after this season, but I’d say it would probably be for a rookie rather than a more expensive free agent vet based on the fact that it would still be a decent amount of dead cap to eat even with the offset and a rookie wouldn’t cost much.
I disagreed with Bortles’ extension at the time, but I can at least see what they were thinking in doing it rather than letting him play on the option this year. He had just come off of a somewhat impressive December and January and helped get them within minutes of the super bowl. It wasn’t enough of a trend in his performance for me to want to extend him but I can see they were thinking that if that trend did happen to continue, they’d have Bortles locked up at a reasonable amount for the next 3 years during their Super Bowl window and they’d be able to keep most if not all of their other ascending pieces. They also wrote the contract in a team friendly manner that allows them to part ways as soon as next season.
They made a calculated bet and hedged it with the offset language and their bet appears to have been wrong. Front offices make mistakes sometimes, even good ones. Some credit should be given, however, for how the contract was written though. The front office isn’t inept and Doug Marrone still has a winning record here and 3-4 is the 2nd best start this franchise has had since 2010. There’s a lot of football left to be played and we’re still very much in control of our own destiny. Teams that run the ball well and play good defense tend to fare well in the post season. We’re getting Hyde this week and Fournette back soon after that. We’re clearly going to attempt to impose our will on the ground going forward. Let’s see what happens over the next 4 or 5 games and revisit where we are then before proclaiming it needs to be burned to the ground.
They should have just let him play out the option. IF he balled out then you hook him up with a top 5 QB contract. If he didn't (he isn't) then you let him go with no hit to the cap.
Even with the offsets, we'll still have "dead cap" money for a season or two.
Which isn't terrible... as long as we cut some corners and save some dollars elsewhere (likely on the DL)
(10-25-2018, 08:36 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Where was Mr. Florida's emo meltdown last year as all he bashes had us almost to the dance? No where to be seen, that is where. Here we have just another example of your typical comments section cancer putting on display his inherent misery.
this is literally the dumbest "attack" on posters.. that I continue to see..
maybe when things are going good, some of us dont feel the need to go on the internet to celebrate, we are happy and enjoying it. Some people, myself included, use forums as a place to vent our frustrations. That doesnt mean we dont come on here during good times, but everyone comes more or less frequently for different reasons..
when they come has NOTHING to do with them being right or wrong... its like you guys are so unbelivably butt hurt when someone calls out this team for being awful
deal with it, this team sucks, people are failing miserably at their jobs, and accountability NEEDS to be higher with this franchise than it has been over the last 12 years
(10-25-2018, 08:46 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 08:42 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year was great, and not a sane person will deny that, but realistic fans saw:
1. The schedule was very weak
2. Every starting QB in the division was on IR outside of our very own.
3. We peaked when it mattered
The FO rested on their laurels in the off-season and did nothing to improve. The odds of all 3 things above happening at the same time are about the same as hitting the power ball.
The emphasized is just straight up not true and you know it.
it ABSOLUTELY is true, what are you talking about??? they kept the same bad qb, used the first 3 picks of the draft on luxury or project picks.. nothing to help this team with its weaknesses
the only proactive thing they did was pay huge money to a guard who has since been bad, I cant fault them for that as he was really good last year, but the rest is definitely resting on their laurels
3-4 one game out of first in the division.
We finally have a healthy back that can get us back to a power run style and make the play action viable.
Grind this game out and find a way to win and start gaining momentum for the return of Fournette.
We are only one momentum swing away and I do believe we have the pieces incoming to do that. Its ride or die with Blake, and we're not dead, yet...
(10-25-2018, 09:23 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 08:19 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]amen brother... all the kool aid company men fans will of course disagree, but once all the guys you mentioned are gone, they will trash those guys like they saw it all along
31 other teams in the NFL think blake sucks, but of course, we, THE JAGUARS OF ALL TEAMS, know better than those 31 other teams.. LOL
this franchise is the definition of insanity, our logo will soon replace the definition in the dictionary
So you think they're better off if they get rid of Bortles and Caldwell and Coughlin and Marrone? Basically gut everything and start over, and they're going to be better?
i would get rid of bortles 2 years ago, caldwell and marrone for sticking with him, and keep coughlin obviously
and yes, the only way to get better is get rid of the trash keeping them from getting better
this is the same song and dance this [BLEEP] franchise has done countless times over the last decade and a half, and the same old song and dance by some of its fans continuing to think keeping status quo WILL MAGICALLY CHANGE THINGS
(10-25-2018, 11:07 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]3-4 one game out of first in the division.
We finally have a healthy back that can get us back to a power run style and make the play action viable.
Grind this game out and find a way to win and start gaining momentum for the return of Fournette.
We are only one momentum swing away and I do believe we have the pieces incoming to do that. Its ride or die with Blake, and we're not dead, yet...
Get one. Get this one and get to 4-4.
Then you get Colts twice, Bills and Dolphins in the 2nd half of the season. All very winnable games. Then try and win a couple out of tacks, Texans, Steelers and Skins.
Gotta get this one on Sunday thought to start it up.
(10-25-2018, 09:47 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:32 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] I am simply a realist who forms my own opinions based on what I see. Sue me.
"I'm a realist" is the most used cop out for being a negative annoying little twit lol
Usually when you've been busted on some BS and have nothing left to offer to the argument.
It's a defensive tactic similar to the offensive tactic of name calling and grammar/spelling correcting.
and calling people babies, whiny, throwing fits is any different?
fact is, this team is WAY underperforming, those calling the team out, are factually in the right, anyone defending the team, looks stupid, easy to see where you fall, per usual
(10-25-2018, 11:08 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:23 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So you think they're better off if they get rid of Bortles and Caldwell and Coughlin and Marrone? Basically gut everything and start over, and they're going to be better?
i would get rid of bortles 2 years ago, caldwell and marrone for sticking with him, and keep coughlin obviously
and yes, the only way to get better is get rid of the trash keeping them from getting better
this is the same song and dance this [BLEEP] franchise has done countless times over the last decade and a half, and the same old song and dance by some of its fans continuing to think keeping status quo WILL MAGICALLY CHANGE THINGS
I'm sorry, this makes no sense. He had no say in personnel decisions?
(10-25-2018, 11:11 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:47 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm a realist" is the most used cop out for being a negative annoying little twit lol
Usually when you've been busted on some BS and have nothing left to offer to the argument.
It's a defensive tactic similar to the offensive tactic of name calling and grammar/spelling correcting.
and calling people babies, whiny, throwing fits is any different?
fact is, this team is WAY underperforming, those calling the team out, are factually in the right, anyone defending the team, looks stupid, easy to see where you fall, per usual
If I didn't think you were actually stupid enough to believe this inane drivel ^ I'd explain to you the definition of an "opinion." But it clearly wouldn't do any good.
Nonetheless - if you ever get your blood pressure down enough to take a few deep breaths consecutively, you should probably educate yourself on the difference between a fact and an opinion. Clearly, you're confused on this matter.
(10-25-2018, 11:11 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:47 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm a realist" is the most used cop out for being a negative annoying little twit lol
Usually when you've been busted on some BS and have nothing left to offer to the argument.
It's a defensive tactic similar to the offensive tactic of name calling and grammar/spelling correcting.
and calling people babies, whiny, throwing fits is any different?
fact is, this team is WAY underperforming, those calling the team out, are factually in the right, anyone defending the team, looks stupid, easy to see where you fall, per usual
Is there no inbetween? I see the under performance but I also see the injuries. I hate the black and white stance people take.
There is hope man. This is the NFL. How people don't realize the EBB and Flow after years of watching the NFL is crazy.
Three games ago everything was fine. After a rash of injuries and a couple of poor team performances it's time to blow it up. Holy cow.
(10-25-2018, 10:45 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 10:39 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles’ contract in 2019 contains offsets on up to $6.5 million. It’s quite possible that they move on after this season, but I’d say it would probably be for a rookie rather than a more expensive free agent vet based on the fact that it would still be a decent amount of dead cap to eat even with the offset and a rookie wouldn’t cost much.
I disagreed with Bortles’ extension at the time, but I can at least see what they were thinking in doing it rather than letting him play on the option this year. He had just come off of a somewhat impressive December and January and helped get them within minutes of the super bowl. It wasn’t enough of a trend in his performance for me to want to extend him but I can see they were thinking that if that trend did happen to continue, they’d have Bortles locked up at a reasonable amount for the next 3 years during their Super Bowl window and they’d be able to keep most if not all of their other ascending pieces. They also wrote the contract in a team friendly manner that allows them to part ways as soon as next season.
They made a calculated bet and hedged it with the offset language and their bet appears to have been wrong. Front offices make mistakes sometimes, even good ones. Some credit should be given, however, for how the contract was written though. The front office isn’t inept and Doug Marrone still has a winning record here and 3-4 is the 2nd best start this franchise has had since 2010. There’s a lot of football left to be played and we’re still very much in control of our own destiny. Teams that run the ball well and play good defense tend to fare well in the post season. We’re getting Hyde this week and Fournette back soon after that. We’re clearly going to attempt to impose our will on the ground going forward. Let’s see what happens over the next 4 or 5 games and revisit where we are then before proclaiming it needs to be burned to the ground.
They should have just let him play out the option. IF he balled out then you hook him up with a top 5 QB contract. If he didn't (he isn't) then you let him go with no hit to the cap.
Even with the offsets, we'll still have "dead cap" money for a season or two.
Which isn't terrible... as long as we cut some corners and save some dollars elsewhere (likely on the DL)
I agree about him playing on the option. If he’s cut before next season, though, the dead cap would only be for next year. It would be somewhere between $10 million and $16.5 million depending on how much Bortles is signed for elsewhere. There would be no dead cap in 2020. A rookie playing on a rookie deal
would seem to be the smart plan going forward especially when factoring in Bortles’ dead money. Given the fact that keeping him next year puts his cap hit at $21 million, I’d say it’s almost a certainty that he either restructures or more likely is cut outright. Unless he balls out going forward, which doesn’t seem likely.
(10-25-2018, 11:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 10:45 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]They should have just let him play out the option. IF he balled out then you hook him up with a top 5 QB contract. If he didn't (he isn't) then you let him go with no hit to the cap.
Even with the offsets, we'll still have "dead cap" money for a season or two.
Which isn't terrible... as long as we cut some corners and save some dollars elsewhere (likely on the DL)
I agree about him playing on the option. If he’s cut before next season, though, the dead cap would only be for next year. It would be somewhere between $10 million and $16.5 million depending on how much Bortles is signed for elsewhere. There would be no dead cap in 2020. A rookie playing on a rookie deal
would seem to be the smart plan going forward especially when factoring in Bortles’ dead money. Given the fact that keeping him next year puts his cap hit at $21 million, I’d say it’s almost a certainty that he either restructures or more likely is cut outright. Unless he balls out going forward, which doesn’t seem likely.
I have a feeling Blake has a few bounce back games and they keep #5 in 2019, draft a rookie, and either start the rookie mid-season 2019 or right away in 2020 when Blake is gone.
(10-25-2018, 11:34 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I agree about him playing on the option. If he’s cut before next season, though, the dead cap would only be for next year. It would be somewhere between $10 million and $16.5 million depending on how much Bortles is signed for elsewhere. There would be no dead cap in 2020. A rookie playing on a rookie deal
would seem to be the smart plan going forward especially when factoring in Bortles’ dead money. Given the fact that keeping him next year puts his cap hit at $21 million, I’d say it’s almost a certainty that he either restructures or more likely is cut outright. Unless he balls out going forward, which doesn’t seem likely.
I have a feeling Blake has a few bounce back games and they keep #5 in 2019, draft a rookie, and either start the rookie mid-season 2019 or right away in 2020 when Blake is gone.
Let’s hope that’s what happens. I think he’s going to need those bounce back games to avoid getting cut this offseason based on the financials.
(10-25-2018, 11:09 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:07 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]3-4 one game out of first in the division.
We finally have a healthy back that can get us back to a power run style and make the play action viable.
Grind this game out and find a way to win and start gaining momentum for the return of Fournette.
We are only one momentum swing away and I do believe we have the pieces incoming to do that. Its ride or die with Blake, and we're not dead, yet...
Get one. Get this one and get to 4-4.
Then you get Colts twice, Bills and Dolphins in the 2nd half of the season. All very winnable games. Then try and win a couple out of tacks, Texans, Steelers and Skins.
Gotta get this one on Sunday thought to start it up.
Absolutely. If we can get to the bye 4-4 that's ok. Could be better but with the injuries and tough games in KC and Dallas, it's ok.
Heal up on the bye, and come out flying. We just need something to get us going.
And if Brock can get some sweet revenge tonight then all the better.
(10-25-2018, 11:04 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 08:36 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Where was Mr. Florida's emo meltdown last year as all he bashes had us almost to the dance? No where to be seen, that is where. Here we have just another example of your typical comments section cancer putting on display his inherent misery.
this is literally the dumbest "attack" on posters.. that I continue to see..
maybe when things are going good, That doesnt mean we dont come on here during good times, but everyone comes more or less some of us dont feel the need to go on the internet to celebrate, we are happy and enjoying it. Some people, myself included, use forums as a place to vent our frustrations.frequently for different reasons..
when they come has NOTHING to do with them being right or wrong... its like you guys are so unbelivably butt hurt when someone calls out this team for being awful
deal with it, this team sucks, people are failing miserably at their jobs, and accountability NEEDS to be higher with this franchise than it has been over the last 12 years
(10-25-2018, 08:46 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The emphasized is just straight up not true and you know it.
it ABSOLUTELY is true, what are you talking about??? they kept the same bad qb, used the first 3 picks of the draft on luxury or project picks.. nothing to help this team with its weaknesses
the only proactive thing they did was pay huge money to a guard who has since been bad, I cant fault them for that as he was really good last year, but the rest is definitely resting on their laurels
The bolded part is the problem - there is no evidence of some people's support of the team. They appear to only be negative nancies here to offload their misery on everyone. I'm fine with people being upset over how the year has gone. It sucks that we were so close last year, and appear to be a completely different franchise this year. I can call Doug, Dave, Shad, Blake, Oesher, whoever, any name in the book, that won't help the team, nor will it make the season any more or less enjoyable for you. It won't foster discussion on this board. If you just want to scream into the void, type out every word you want to utter, and then cancel the post.
I've done it a number of times myself. Saying that, I really I am probably just screaming into my own void on this matter.
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