(10-25-2018, 11:11 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 09:47 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm a realist" is the most used cop out for being a negative annoying little twit lol
Usually when you've been busted on some BS and have nothing left to offer to the argument.
It's a defensive tactic similar to the offensive tactic of name calling and grammar/spelling correcting.
and calling people babies, whiny, throwing fits is any different?
fact is, this team is WAY underperforming, those calling the team out, are factually in the right, anyone defending the team, looks stupid, easy to see where you fall, per usual
Yes... it is different.
But I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.
Just like everyone is bagging on the bad moves, and very few people are actually giving the team a pass.
It's just a matter of being like "I'm mad, this sucks" or what you kids do "waaaahhhhh terrible, we all suck, fire everyone, waaah"
Do you see the difference?
Oh, no... of course not.
Per usual? Check my posts kid. I have yet to give ANYONE a pass or defending anyone.
I'm one of the real realists who see problems everywhere. Plenty of blame to go around.
I just think it is funny when kids like you and the other posters in this thread cry and seemingly throw tantrums about something literally out of your control.
(10-25-2018, 11:34 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I agree about him playing on the option. If he’s cut before next season, though, the dead cap would only be for next year. It would be somewhere between $10 million and $16.5 million depending on how much Bortles is signed for elsewhere. There would be no dead cap in 2020. A rookie playing on a rookie deal
would seem to be the smart plan going forward especially when factoring in Bortles’ dead money. Given the fact that keeping him next year puts his cap hit at $21 million, I’d say it’s almost a certainty that he either restructures or more likely is cut outright. Unless he balls out going forward, which doesn’t seem likely.
I have a feeling Blake has a few bounce back games and they keep #5 in 2019, draft a rookie, and either start the rookie mid-season 2019 or right away in 2020 when Blake is gone.
Agreed.
I don't think they just straight cut ties after a season with so many injuries and other issues on offense.
Although I wouldn't be mad at them if they did. There are ways to work around that dead cap money next season.
But regardless of whether 5 is here or not next season they've gotta have a back up plan that is not Cody frickin Kessler lol
(10-25-2018, 12:19 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]The bolded part is the problem - there is no evidence of some people's support of the team. They appear to only be negative nancies here to offload their misery on everyone.
It's always the same handful of guys too.
A few of them stick around when things are good to let us all know how much better they should be.
Miserable [BLEEP] like them exist on the internet more than real life it seems.
I'm kinda the opposite... When we're doing good I want to share the joy with people who share a team in a sport I love to watch.
When things are bad... I actually want to talk to people less about it.
Because really... all we do when we piss and moan M-F about a football team we have no real hand in... is extend our heartbreak and pain from Sundays to the rest of the week.
Not really healthy lol
My 2 cents on Blake and what happened last year. The team powers that be thought IF they got Fournette in the draft and bucked up the O line, having a decent running game backed by up a D line that could cap the opponents scoring, they could get off cheap with Blake's passing issues by limiting the frequency and distances he had to throw the ball using the run game. That's what I think and it essentially blew up in their faces with injuries.
(10-25-2018, 01:40 PM)jon2005 Wrote: [ -> ]My 2 cents on Blake and what happened last year. The team powers that be thought IF they got Fournette in the draft and bucked up the O line, having a decent running game backed by up a D line that could cap the opponents scoring, they could get off cheap with Blake's passing issues by limiting the frequency and distances he had to throw the ball using the run game. That's what I think and it essentially blew up in their faces with injuries.
That's definitely a big part of what happened, but I think Blake's regression (or potential to regress) may not have been projected to reach the low level it has currently reached -- even with the injuries around him.
(10-25-2018, 11:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:11 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]and calling people babies, whiny, throwing fits is any different?
fact is, this team is WAY underperforming, those calling the team out, are factually in the right, anyone defending the team, looks stupid, easy to see where you fall, per usual
If I didn't think you were actually stupid enough to believe this inane drivel ^ I'd explain to you the definition of an "opinion." But it clearly wouldn't do any good.
Nonetheless - if you ever get your blood pressure down enough to take a few deep breaths consecutively, you should probably educate yourself on the difference between a fact and an opinion. Clearly, you're confused on this matter.
no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
(10-25-2018, 12:28 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 12:19 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]The bolded part is the problem - there is no evidence of some people's support of the team. They appear to only be negative nancies here to offload their misery on everyone.
It's always the same handful of guys too.
A few of them stick around when things are good to let us all know how much better they should be.
Miserable [BLEEP] like them exist on the internet more than real life it seems.
I'm kinda the opposite... When we're doing good I want to share the joy with people who share a team in a sport I love to watch.
When things are bad... I actually want to talk to people less about it.
Because really... all we do when we piss and moan M-F about a football team we have no real hand in... is extend our heartbreak and pain from Sundays to the rest of the week.
Not really healthy lol
I've been on this forum for like 13 or more years.. through the little good, and mostly bad. And again, it's the internet, if other people here only show up during the bad times to vent, that is their right, and doesnt make them any worse of a fan than you, just different
no one is pathetic enough to troll a board for a decade and not actually be a fan.. even the rare titans and texans guys that come here every now and then, you can tell they are here just to troll and mess around (< mod edit)
Some of you think that by putting other more critical fans down, it makes you a better fan, LOL
(10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If I didn't think you were actually stupid enough to believe this inane drivel ^ I'd explain to you the definition of an "opinion." But it clearly wouldn't do any good.
Nonetheless - if you ever get your blood pressure down enough to take a few deep breaths consecutively, you should probably educate yourself on the difference between a fact and an opinion. Clearly, you're confused on this matter.
no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
(10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet?
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
You are definitely one of the better people on here.
I'm a Jags fan, I stick with the team win or lose, what I can't get is how badly some people are taking 3 L's and a 3-4 record when you look at the past 15 years for this team.
Some of you sound like Pats fans.
(10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
(10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 11:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If I didn't think you were actually stupid enough to believe this inane drivel ^ I'd explain to you the definition of an "opinion." But it clearly wouldn't do any good.
Nonetheless - if you ever get your blood pressure down enough to take a few deep breaths consecutively, you should probably educate yourself on the difference between a fact and an opinion. Clearly, you're confused on this matter.
no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
(10-25-2018, 12:28 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]It's always the same handful of guys too.
A few of them stick around when things are good to let us all know how much better they should be.
Miserable [BLEEP] like them exist on the internet more than real life it seems.
I'm kinda the opposite... When we're doing good I want to share the joy with people who share a team in a sport I love to watch.
When things are bad... I actually want to talk to people less about it.
Because really... all we do when we piss and moan M-F about a football team we have no real hand in... is extend our heartbreak and pain from Sundays to the rest of the week.
Not really healthy lol
I've been on this forum for like 13 or more years.. through the little good, and mostly bad. And again, it's the internet, if other people here only show up during the bad times to vent, that is their right, and doesnt make them any worse of a fan than you, just different
no one is pathetic enough to troll a board for a decade and not actually be a fan.. even the rare titans and texans guys that come here every now and then, you can tell they are here just to troll and mess around (< mod edit)
Some of you think that by putting other more critical fans down, it makes you a better fan, LOL
Wow... you got that from what I wrote? (reading comprehension much? public school systems failed another one folks)
I didn't even call you out as that specific fan...
but guilty conscience maybe?
Anyone pathetic enough to troll period could be pathetic enough to troll for 10 years lol
Also.. I don't need to quantify my fandom or fanhood based on the misgivings of posters on this board.
While your tiresome dribble makes me feel better as a human you have 0 effect on how I feel as a fan
"Better fan" I certainly haven't ever used the term or acted as such.
When I dog out your ridiculous posts... it is me dogging you as a human, not as a fan.
Your schtick is childish to put it mildly. Your hand wringing and arm flailing screams "adolescent".
You're immature to a fault because you exert soooo much negative emotion about a damn football team dude.
Grow up a bit.
(10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
This...
Some of us, Hell, many of us have been critical of everything... From Bortles to WRs to OL play to coaching and front office choices.
It isn't WHAT is being said so much as HOW it is being said.
"company man" is such a joke of a retort.... like any of us are being paid by the company (which is why someone would be a "company man"--payment)
(10-25-2018, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]...
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
Yeah, that's my point. The team is
not underachieving in every facet, and many facets that are underachieving are doing so due (at least in part) to injury. If one wants to lash out indictments, that's fine, but it helps to know what one is talking about before doing so. (not meaning you, personally, Cleatwood)
(10-25-2018, 02:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
Yeah, that's my point. The team is not underachieving in every facet, and many facets that are underachieving are doing so due (at least in part) to injury. If one wants to lash out indictments, that's fine, but it helps to know what one is talking about before doing so. (not meaning you, personally, Cleatwood)
Krayz is the one who started the thread about WR separation....
so apparently he feels the WRs are doing their job?
He's just all over the place... but it's kinda funny.
(10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
If you want to argue semantics sure, it is an opinion that they are under performing but it is a CORRECT and proven opinion, therefore it is true to say that, in other words, its a fact, maybe not by definition, but you know exactly what I mean
(10-25-2018, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
that's what I'm saying.. this defense is THE BEST in the league when we know the other team is passing, by a large margin.. they are just solid to good when the other team has a lead or its tied and we dont know what they are going to do..
another reason why I say we need to keep folwer and yannick, let the older guys go, build around pass rushers and put the rest of our money on offense so that we can score on teams, get leads, and let our DE's go to work.. just like the colts of old with manning, freeney, and mathis
(10-25-2018, 02:39 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that's my point. The team is not underachieving in every facet, and many facets that are underachieving are doing so due (at least in part) to injury. If one wants to lash out indictments, that's fine, but it helps to know what one is talking about before doing so. (not meaning you, personally, Cleatwood)
Krayz is the one who started the thread about WR separation....
so apparently he feels the WRs are doing their job?
He's just all over the place... but it's kinda funny.
while our WR's are far from the best, I have no been on them anywhere close to I have been the QB.. the QB is the MAIN problem with this team, just like it has been for over a decade
the WR's are playing good enough that if we had a real QB, this team would be 5-2 minimum, even with the same WR's, same RB, and same OL situation
(10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
If you want to argue semantics sure, it is an opinion that they are under performing but it is a CORRECT and proven opinion, therefore it is true to say that, in other words, its a fact, maybe not by definition, but you know exactly what I mean
(10-25-2018, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
that's what I'm saying.. this defense is THE BEST in the league when we know the other team is passing, by a large margin.. they are just solid to good when the other team has a lead or its tied and we dont know what they are going to do..
another reason why I say we need to keep folwer and yannick, let the older guys go, build around pass rushers and put the rest of our money on offense so that we can score on teams, get leads, and let our DE's go to work.. just like the colts of old with manning, freeney, and mathis
.....semantics?
An opinion that is proven to be true isn't an opinion it's a theory.
an opinion is an opinion and a fact is a fact.
They are not one in the same.
The defense is performing on par with what they did last year according to a lot of the stats (they even started last year bad against the run, so thats kinda matching up too)
The offense is "under performing" mostly because of injuries coupled with and magnified by poor QB play.
But your "the whole team sucks" thing is kinda a terrible opinion and very much not a proven fact.
Semantics... lol
no one is arguing semantics..... you just don't know what the words you use mean.
(10-25-2018, 02:34 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 01:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]no, you are the stupid one
if you think it's my opinion that the jaguars this season are under performing, then you are even more of a company man than I thought. It is a well known FACT that this team is under performing, everywhere
I've been on this forum for like 13 or more years.. through the little good, and mostly bad. And again, it's the internet, if other people here only show up during the bad times to vent, that is their right, and doesnt make them any worse of a fan than you, just different
no one is pathetic enough to troll a board for a decade and not actually be a fan.. even the rare titans and texans guys that come here every now and then, you can tell they are here just to troll and mess around (< mod edit)
Some of you think that by putting other more critical fans down, it makes you a better fan, LOL
Wow... you got that from what I wrote? (reading comprehension much? public school systems failed another one folks)
I didn't even call you out as that specific fan...
but guilty conscience maybe?
Anyone pathetic enough to troll period could be pathetic enough to troll for 10 years lol
Also.. I don't need to quantify my fandom or fanhood based on the misgivings of posters on this board.
While your tiresome dribble makes me feel better as a human you have 0 effect on how I feel as a fan
"Better fan" I certainly haven't ever used the term or acted as such.
When I dog out your ridiculous posts... it is me dogging you as a human, not as a fan.
Your schtick is childish to put it mildly. Your hand wringing and arm flailing screams "adolescent".
You're immature to a fault because you exert soooo much negative emotion about a damn football team dude.
Grow up a bit.
(10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
This...
Some of us, Hell, many of us have been critical of everything... From Bortles to WRs to OL play to coaching and front office choices.
It isn't WHAT is being said so much as HOW it is being said.
"company man" is such a joke of a retort.... like any of us are being paid by the company (which is why someone would be a "company man"--payment)
certain posters on this board spend large amounts of their personal time here, calling others names, belittling others, and talking football. But those of us who complain about the [BLEEP] we see on the field are the bad humans lol
whatever makes you and others feel better man, I use message boards to vent, you obviously use it as an outlet for your happiness/enjoyment and when it apparently gets ruined by others who complain, it effects you. Maybe you need to take a step back
all of this is pointless and stupid anyways and detracting from the point that this team has major issues, that's all I care to discuss, and how for the last idk.. 15 or 16 years, since Brunell, this team has yet to have a QB in the top half of the league, let a lone a top 10 QB
(10-25-2018, 02:54 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]If you want to argue semantics sure, it is an opinion that they are under performing but it is a CORRECT and proven opinion, therefore it is true to say that, in other words, its a fact, maybe not by definition, but you know exactly what I mean
that's what I'm saying.. this defense is THE BEST in the league when we know the other team is passing, by a large margin.. they are just solid to good when the other team has a lead or its tied and we dont know what they are going to do..
another reason why I say we need to keep folwer and yannick, let the older guys go, build around pass rushers and put the rest of our money on offense so that we can score on teams, get leads, and let our DE's go to work.. just like the colts of old with manning, freeney, and mathis
.....semantics?
An opinion that is proven to be true isn't an opinion it's a theory.
an opinion is an opinion and a fact is a fact.
They are not one in the same.
The defense is performing on par with what they did last year according to a lot of the stats (they even started last year bad against the run, so thats kinda matching up too)
The offense is "under performing" mostly because of injuries coupled with and magnified by poor QB play.
But your "the whole team sucks" thing is kinda a terrible opinion and very much not a proven fact.
Semantics... lol
no one is arguing semantics..... you just don't know what the words you use mean.
an opinion that is proven to be true is not a theory.. a theory is something before anything is proven
again why are talking about this? I'm done, sticking to the point, the crappy jaguars
(10-25-2018, 02:56 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:34 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Wow... you got that from what I wrote? (reading comprehension much? public school systems failed another one folks)
I didn't even call you out as that specific fan...
but guilty conscience maybe?
Anyone pathetic enough to troll period could be pathetic enough to troll for 10 years lol
Also.. I don't need to quantify my fandom or fanhood based on the misgivings of posters on this board.
While your tiresome dribble makes me feel better as a human you have 0 effect on how I feel as a fan
"Better fan" I certainly haven't ever used the term or acted as such.
When I dog out your ridiculous posts... it is me dogging you as a human, not as a fan.
Your schtick is childish to put it mildly. Your hand wringing and arm flailing screams "adolescent".
You're immature to a fault because you exert soooo much negative emotion about a damn football team dude.
Grow up a bit.
This...
Some of us, Hell, many of us have been critical of everything... From Bortles to WRs to OL play to coaching and front office choices.
It isn't WHAT is being said so much as HOW it is being said.
"company man" is such a joke of a retort.... like any of us are being paid by the company (which is why someone would be a "company man"--payment)
certain posters on this board spend large amounts of their personal time here, calling others names, belittling others, and talking football. But those of us who complain about the [BLEEP] we see on the field are the bad humans lol
whatever makes you and others feel better man, I use message boards to vent, you obviously use it as an outlet for your happiness/enjoyment and when it apparently gets ruined by others who complain, it effects you. Maybe you need to take a step back
all of this is pointless and stupid anyways and detracting from the point that this team has major issues, that's all I care to discuss, and how for the last idk.. 15 or 16 years, since Brunell, this team has yet to have a QB in the top half of the league, let a lone a top 10 QB
You are actually bothered by things that happened (or didn't happen rather) 10-15 years ago?
Let it goooooooo let it gooooo
Also... complaining about your favorite football team doesn't make you a bad human (i never said bad human, surprise) I just said your nonsense makes me feel better about myself. As in "well it could be worse, you could be this guy"
Calling names? lol OK Pot/Kettle.
Does it make me feel better to belittle people? Sometimes... Does that mean it's working? You feel smaller now?
You should.
And you are right, this is all pointless.
So stop.
(10-25-2018, 02:56 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:34 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Wow... you got that from what I wrote? (reading comprehension much? public school systems failed another one folks)
I didn't even call you out as that specific fan...
but guilty conscience maybe?
Anyone pathetic enough to troll period could be pathetic enough to troll for 10 years lol
Also.. I don't need to quantify my fandom or fanhood based on the misgivings of posters on this board.
While your tiresome dribble makes me feel better as a human you have 0 effect on how I feel as a fan
"Better fan" I certainly haven't ever used the term or acted as such.
When I dog out your ridiculous posts... it is me dogging you as a human, not as a fan.
Your schtick is childish to put it mildly. Your hand wringing and arm flailing screams "adolescent".
You're immature to a fault because you exert soooo much negative emotion about a damn football team dude.
Grow up a bit.
This...
Some of us, Hell, many of us have been critical of everything... From Bortles to WRs to OL play to coaching and front office choices.
It isn't WHAT is being said so much as HOW it is being said.
"company man" is such a joke of a retort.... like any of us are being paid by the company (which is why someone would be a "company man"--payment)
certain posters on this board spend large amounts of their personal time here, calling others names, belittling others, and talking football. But those of us who complain about the [BLEEP] we see on the field are the bad humans lol
whatever makes you and others feel better man, I use message boards to vent, you obviously use it as an outlet for your happiness/enjoyment and when it apparently gets ruined by others who complain, it effects you. Maybe you need to take a step back
all of this is pointless and stupid anyways and detracting from the point that this team has major issues, that's all I care to discuss, and how for the last idk.. 15 or 16 years, since Brunell, this team has yet to have a QB in the top half of the league, let a lone a top 10 QB
(10-25-2018, 02:54 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ].....semantics?
An opinion that is proven to be true isn't an opinion it's a theory.
an opinion is an opinion and a fact is a fact.
They are not one in the same.
The defense is performing on par with what they did last year according to a lot of the stats (they even started last year bad against the run, so thats kinda matching up too)
The offense is "under performing" mostly because of injuries coupled with and magnified by poor QB play.
But your "the whole team sucks" thing is kinda a terrible opinion and very much not a proven fact.
Semantics... lol
no one is arguing semantics..... you just don't know what the words you use mean.
an opinion that is proven to be true is not a theory.. a theory is something before anything is proven
again why are talking about this? I'm done, sticking to the point, the crappy jaguars
An opinion can not be proven to be true.
IDK why you're talking about it. You've ended and restarted the conversation a couple times now...
But sure... get back on track.
You hate the Jaguars.
(10-25-2018, 02:49 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
If you want to argue semantics sure, it is an opinion that they are under performing but it is a CORRECT and proven opinion, therefore it is true to say that, in other words, its a fact, maybe not by definition, but you know exactly what I mean
No. Not semantics. You are incorrect in painting the entire team as underachieving in all aspects. They aren't. And you're conveniently ignoring injury as the cause for some aspects that are indeed underachieving. This is not semantics. This is just me shooting holes in your overly-reactionary-cry-me-a-freaking-river post.
I don't understand why everything has to be overstated and hyperbolized. I wish you'd vent somewhere else and THEN come here when you're ready to talk a little more common sense. If that's even possible.
And if I'm belittling you, then you've got it coming for posting like a petulant child. Sorry. And no, I don't know what you mean. Try posting what you actually mean, not something else.
Bottom line...
I do like Caldwell ...but I don't love him and his love for Bortles is killing us.
No other position matters.
It's honestly funny people were so concerned aboout cap for d players when we need a qb. Old timers , I love ya, but nothin matters but a QB.... it's the prize boys
(10-25-2018, 02:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2018, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]OK. Since you still don't get it, I'll try to explain a few things.
One: I don't think there's a single board member around here that's not calling out this franchise for making at least a couple of bad decisions lately. Whether it's about the QB, some other positions they ignored in the past few drafts, the money spent on x,y, or z free agent, the play-calling on either or both sides of the ball, in game coaching decisions etc, etc, etc
Nearly everyone here has expressed dismay about something being done poorly. I've actually used the word "underachieving" in half a dozen threads.
TWO: The posters saying these things are expressing "opinions." Just like when you say the team is underperforming everywhere - that is an opinion. The pass rush has actually been pretty good IN MY OPINION. They aren't getting home as often, but the secondary isn't helping as well as they did last year and teams are running the ball more against some underachieving linebackers.
See how this works yet? Two different opinions.
Blast your opinions all you want, but you need to understand that's all they are.
Also: If you think I'm a "company man" then I guess you've missed a large percentage of my posting. I am very commonly critical of the players, staff and front office of the Jaguars. I just don't lose my marbles everytime they lose a game and want to fire everyone and insult anyone who disagrees with me.
The pass rush creates pressure on about 36.8% of QB dropbacks. 2nd in the league behind the Rams at 36.9%
Imagine what would happen if the offense could actually give this D a lead.....
Yeah and rest.
Would be creating turnovers for sure.
(10-26-2018, 12:15 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line...
I do like Caldwell ...but I don't love him and his love for Bortles is killing us.
No other position matters.
It's honestly funny people were so concerned aboout cap for d players when we need a qb. Old timers , I love ya, but nothin matters but a QB.... it's the prize boys
More than ever considering the passing nature of the league right now.
nope the front officce is being paid to have the team lose so nfl can move them to london. only reason nfl let them do good last year was to fool people into thinking theres no plan to move Jags to london.
Watch Jags will win sunday in london.