(12-13-2018, 03:57 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 03:37 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care who we trade, but if we made such a deal, I would demand a good starting CB in return (ala Casey Hayward or Shaquille Griffen or Kendall Fuller. Someone of that caliber), plus a first rounder and a 3rd rounder.
malcolm butler, straight up
Malcolm Butler? Are you high?
TheO-LineMatters
(12-13-2018, 03:57 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]malcolm butler, straight up
Malcolm Butler? Are you high?
He’s a tacks fan. Do you really need to ask?
(12-13-2018, 05:45 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2018, 01:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah.
He's just getting started early on his holdout threats and money schemes.
Kinda' what you'd expect from a player/personality combo like him.
I wouldn't put too much stock in it at this point. Jags currently still have the leverage in that situation.
I doubt that he and his agent are really trying to move him or plan to holdout in his third year.
We'll see. A figure a commitment from the team to extend him some time next season is enough to make everybody happy.
Either that - or he holds out in July...
Regarding the part in bold. How exactly can he "hold out"? He is still under contract. I get that he's probably positioning himself for a new contract, but I don't get how he could possibly "hold out" when he is currently under contract.
A decent comparison would be the Darrelle Revis holdout back in 2010. Three years into a 6 year rookie deal, he decided not to come to camp w/o a new deal.
A week before the season opener (after Rex Ryan and Woody Johnson flew to S.FL to negotiate) Revis reported to camp with a new deal that would pay him 8 times more annually than what was left on his rookie deal.
I'm fine when players on rookie deals holdout when a team claims the 5th year option on them, but this is just dumb to even make these comments when the season isn't even finished. If he really doesn't want to be there on the team it's going to become such a massive distraction. He'd pull a LeVeon and sit out a year, he probably makes way more from endorsements like the Jordan deal he has. He's going to want to be paid automatically the #1 corner in the game, and I don't see him budging. This could end up being a real weird situation.
were going to lock him up long term. shut up lolol
Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
(12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
The Raiders moves are being panned now, but a few years from now that might not be the case. There's no use having a couple languishing Pro Bowlers like Cooper and Mack surrounded by a cast of misfits. Sacrifice them to collect a more comprehensive set of tools including a legit QB. Jags are in much the same situation, but unfortunately Ramsey is the only logical trade bait unless Campbell could net a second rounder.
(12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
Question is... would he do the same making 20 mil a year. if he doesn't want to be here... well ... Vacattttttttion
If I'm the front office I literally wouldn't even entertain him being extended. Off what? Last season ? Is he even making the pro bowl this year? Answer yes and yes I still believe rookie contracts should only be a thing 5th year option ... he's doing this 3rd year Ima god BS. Let him sit. Crybaby.
(12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
I'm taking a pass rusher in Khalil Mack 100/100 over Jalen lmao... he ain't no where near that league bro...do you watch Khalil? The attention he demands?
We aren't trading Ramsey. Stop it people.....
(12-14-2018, 06:20 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
The Raiders moves are being panned now, but a few years from now that might not be the case. There's no use having a couple languishing Pro Bowlers like Cooper and Mack surrounded by a cast of misfits. Sacrifice them to collect a more comprehensive set of tools including a legit QB. Jags are in much the same situation, but unfortunately Ramsey is the only logical trade bait unless Campbell could net a second rounder.
Cooper is really young. Mack is a top 5 pass rusher. 2 things the Raiders are lacking and will look to draft this year are pass rushers and playmakers.
The draft is also a crapshoot so trading away those players and HOPING you get someone with equal talent is just a bad move.
(12-14-2018, 11:37 AM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't trading Ramsey. Stop it people.....
I agree.
I mean, I'd do it for an absolute king's ransom of draft picks similar to what the Raiders got for Mack, but I don't think the Jags intend to do that at all.
I fully expect they'll tell him and his agent to wait until his third year is up and make some sort of good faith agreement to do right by him then.
Now, if that doesn't work and he holds out in the third year of his rookie deal... Who knows? Still wouldn't trade him for less than a windfall of picks.
(12-14-2018, 06:42 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
Question is... would he do the same making 20 mil a year. if he doesn't want to be here... well ... Vacattttttttion
If I'm the front office I literally wouldn't even entertain him being extended. Off what? Last season ? Is he even making the pro bowl this year? Answer yes and yes I still believe rookie contracts should only be a thing 5th year option ... he's doing this 3rd year Ima god BS. Let him sit. Crybaby.
Thank god you aren't in any kind of power
(12-14-2018, 06:42 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 03:04 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Don't pull a Raiders and trade away legit talent. Pretty sure he played hurt all year and is still legitimate Pro Bowl caliber. End up like the Jets setting up for that rebuild that takes 50 years.
Question is... would he do the same making 20 mil a year. if he doesn't want to be here... well ... Vacattttttttion
If I'm the front office I literally wouldn't even entertain him being extended. Off what? Last season ? Is he even making the pro bowl this year? Answer yes and yes I still believe rookie contracts should only be a thing 5th year option ... he's doing this 3rd year Ima god BS. Let him sit. Crybaby.
Bahahahah
You'd be a terrible GM.
I cannot believe this is a thread and that people support it
(12-14-2018, 11:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 06:42 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Question is... would he do the same making 20 mil a year. if he doesn't want to be here... well ... Vacattttttttion
If I'm the front office I literally wouldn't even entertain him being extended. Off what? Last season ? Is he even making the pro bowl this year? Answer yes and yes I still believe rookie contracts should only be a thing 5th year option ... he's doing this 3rd year Ima god BS. Let him sit. Crybaby.
Bahahahah
You'd be a terrible GM.
It would be foolish to extend him to be the number one paid CB in the league only 3 years in on a rookie deal. How is that even an argument lol? Ok, you're right I guess... bad move we MUST extend him to be #1 CB. Screw the cap situation! We aren't in any cap mess!!! Screw the way the NFL rules are becoming more and more pass happy and making CBS obsolete! PAY THAT MAN THIS OFFSEASON!
That'd be the smart decision I guess according to you and Jack.
There's no way in hell I'd extend him THIS offseason. If he wants to pout I don't care. Sit your behind on the bench then or at home.
(12-14-2018, 05:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 11:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bahahahah
You'd be a terrible GM.
It would be foolish to extend him to be the number one paid CB in the league only 3 years in on a rookie deal. How is that even an argument lol? Ok, you're right I guess... bad move we MUST extend him to be #1 CB. Screw the cap situation! We aren't in any cap mess!!! Screw the way the NFL rules are becoming more and more pass happy and making CBS obsolete! PAY THAT MAN THIS OFFSEASON!
That'd be the smart decision I guess according to you and Jack.
There's no way in hell I'd extend him THIS offseason. If he wants to pout I don't care. Sit your behind on the bench then or at home.
You are aware you'll have to pay him more money the longer you wait right? While also risking your best player will want to leave.
Also lol at you saying CBs are becoming obsolete. The more pass happy the NFL goes the more important elite corners become, even if it's harder overall for them to cover. They are getting more valuable not less.
What the hell, man these players think this is MLB or NBA c'mon man. "All I want is money pay me now". LMAO. What are they thinking.........I say pay the guy.
I don't have a business cap on, or pretend to do so, but Jalen is an all decade player hands down IMO. Even if he is a diva, he is a baller and can play all over the field. These players are under paid anyways, and I mean the elite players, compared to the rest of sports MLB, NBA, etc...
Work it out so that the cap goes up to 200M-210M right now (day dreaming) and there could be at least 3-4 elite of the elite players making top dollar on every team. Players, you and I want more money from our employers. Nothing different.
The NFL and the owners are making two, three, ten times what they were making just 10 years ago. Look at the value now of the last franchise in the NFL, in value, it's over a billion. Players make the sport what it is, pay the elite. Keep them happy! Just my 2 cents!
well as much as ramsy talks about not wanting to lose to the tittians anymore,there are 2 ways to do that. 1. join a team in nfc ,but if he doesn't want to ever lose to them again he would have to join them. how ironic would it be if he joins the tittians,and they end up accuttly loseing to the jags.
(12-14-2018, 06:30 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2018, 05:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]It would be foolish to extend him to be the number one paid CB in the league only 3 years in on a rookie deal. How is that even an argument lol? Ok, you're right I guess... bad move we MUST extend him to be #1 CB. Screw the cap situation! We aren't in any cap mess!!! Screw the way the NFL rules are becoming more and more pass happy and making CBS obsolete! PAY THAT MAN THIS OFFSEASON!
That'd be the smart decision I guess according to you and Jack.
There's no way in hell I'd extend him THIS offseason. If he wants to pout I don't care. Sit your behind on the bench then or at home.
You are aware you'll have to pay him more money the longer you wait right? While also risking your best player will want to leave.
Also lol at you saying CBs are becoming obsolete. The more pass happy the NFL goes the more important elite corners become, even if it's harder overall for them to cover. They are getting more valuable not less.
I am aware. I also ment more that CBs are being obsolete in how you should invest in your team, in my opinion. Pay up big for offense, especially your QB, and for pass rushers. With the way the league is trending, this makes the most sense to me. Just keep the back end fresh with playmakers via draft or mid level guys.
So, who we cutting to free up the 11 Mil extra per year to sign Jalen to an extension this offseason? He's 7M, going to want 18M. I think it's a fantastic idea to have the #1 and #3 paid CBs in the league (currently Bouye is #2 at 15.5). We must make Jalen happy. This makes perfect sense to me, you guys are right.
Sorry, still not in team extend Jalen this offseason.