(12-17-2018, 06:49 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm continually amazed at how many football fans have no understanding of football. Look at this thread, for example. People seem to think the running back is the only player on the field who is responsible for rushing yardage. And you can tell them over and over, it's the offensive line, and they just don't seem to get it.
Someone has to be at fault, it's the way of the world. This group has always blamed the solution rather than the problem, it's the way of
The Jungle DuvalPride.com.
The team also needs to play other running backs. Why? Because Fournette is unreliable. Half the time he’s either hurt or suspended so the offense really shouldn’t revolve around him until he proves he can be play.
I’m very lukewarm on Fournette.
(12-17-2018, 08:04 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]The team also needs to play other running backs. Why? Because Fournette is unreliable. Half the time he’s either hurt or suspended so the offense really shouldn’t revolve around him until he proves he can be play.
I’m very lukewarm on Fournette.
We definitely need strong backups for the reasons you cite, but when he's in there, Fournette is a good back. He's just got no blocking right now.
Fournette is not good.
When we had a healthy line he still couldn't get over 4 YPC.
Stop pretending that he's anything more than he is... an average NFL running back.
(12-17-2018, 09:18 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is not good.
When we had a healthy line he still couldn't get over 4 YPC.
Stop pretending that he's anything more than he is... an average NFL running back.
I think the reason he couldn't get more yardage is because we couldn't threaten anyone with our passing game, so they just played to stop the run.
(12-17-2018, 09:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 09:18 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is not good.
When we had a healthy line he still couldn't get over 4 YPC.
Stop pretending that he's anything more than he is... an average NFL running back.
I think the reason he couldn't get more yardage is because we couldn't threaten anyone with our passing game, so they just played to stop the run.
^^ Very much so... Giving other guys carries had less to do about Fournette and more to do with causing some guessing for the opposing defense. They were absolutely keying hard on that power I line up.
(12-17-2018, 07:02 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 06:49 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm continually amazed at how many football fans have no understanding of football. Look at this thread, for example. People seem to think the running back is the only player on the field who is responsible for rushing yardage. And you can tell them over and over, it's the offensive line, and they just don't seem to get it.
Someone has to be at fault, it's the way of the world. This group has always blamed the solution rather than the problem, it's the way of The Jungle DuvalPride.com.
You can’t blame it all on the o-line though. As someone pointed out earlier, a no name practice squad back entered the game and was averaging 4+ yards a carry behind that supposedly garbage line. It is backups and they definitely aren’t anything to write home about, but Fournette is a 4th overall pick. When you draft a running back that high, it’s expected he will be a game changer, not a RB who needs a All Pro line always.
(12-17-2018, 02:19 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2018, 08:30 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]HE has no vision he missed several holes and cutbacks did you see williams cut back and hit those holes the oline sucks at pass rush but running they are just ok and do make holes 4net just eyes the centers butt and runs into it ever time
Yep no vision
Haha, a panic run after hesitation and not hitting the hole is your example of vision? There are at least three games this year where the cameras caught the RBs coach chewing him for not hitting the gap. He was also put in at kick return duty after a dude we brought in off the Bronco’s practice squad was out-playing him. It’s the same issues from college. If you can’t drive a truck through the hole, Fournette isn’t running anywhere.
Its clear he wasn't worth the #4 pick. CMac is head and shoulders better than Fournette and more durable.
(12-17-2018, 09:02 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 08:04 AM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]The team also needs to play other running backs. Why? Because Fournette is unreliable. Half the time he’s either hurt or suspended so the offense really shouldn’t revolve around him until he proves he can be play.
I’m very lukewarm on Fournette.
We definitely need strong backups for the reasons you cite, but when he's in there, Fournette is a good back. He's just got no blocking right now.
Fournette is a good back that
requires good blocking. He lacks the skill set to improvise out of bad blocking and create yardage. Lots of other backs around the league possess that skill.
That said - he actually
did impress me yesterday by working his way back along the line to an open lane at one point yesterday. So it's possible. He just rarely shows it. But on a subsequent drive he may have left a TD on the field by cutting back inside when the sideline was wide open for a guy with his straight line speed. It's not that he's completely unable to do these things, he's just not
nearly as good at it as a pretty large number of backs.
- speed - check
- power - check (when healthy)
- field vision - rarely
- lateral agility - nope
- availability - not enough
So yeah, he's a good back behind a stout line, he's just not the total package you should be getting with that draft pick.
(12-17-2018, 10:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 09:02 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We definitely need strong backups for the reasons you cite, but when he's in there, Fournette is a good back. He's just got no blocking right now.
Fournette is a good back that requires good blocking. He lacks the skill set to improvise out of bad blocking and create yardage. Lots of other backs around the league possess that skill.
That said - he actually did impress me yesterday by working his way back along the line to an open lane at one point yesterday. So it's possible. He just rarely shows it. But on a subsequent drive he may have left a TD on the field by cutting back inside when the sideline was wide open for a guy with his straight line speed. It's not that he's completely unable to do these things, he's just not nearly as good at it as a pretty large number of backs.
- speed - check
- power - check (when healthy)
- field vision - rarely
- lateral agility - nope
- availability - not enough
So yeah, he's a good back behind a stout line, he's just not the total package you should be getting with that draft pick.
I hope LF pulls it together in 2019! I know money changes players. Only the true passionate ones make a career based on production and performance. Do I question his passion for the game?? Maybe.
I wonder if in the off season he does what OBJ did and takes care of his body and works out, works on his craft, and gets better, or magically sits around and let his natural born abilities continue to carry him out of the NFL after his rookie deal.
We should have taken heed of his failures versus Alabama.
He was destroyed.
Seeing the same thing in the NFL.
(12-17-2018, 11:04 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]We should have taken heed of his failures versus Alabama.
He was destroyed.
Seeing the same thing in the NFL.
If an offensive line gets destroyed, the running back gets destroyed. I would wager that if you watch the video of that game, you'd see that Alabama's defensive line dominated that game.
(12-17-2018, 11:33 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:04 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]We should have taken heed of his failures versus Alabama.
He was destroyed.
Seeing the same thing in the NFL.
If an offensive line gets destroyed, the running back gets destroyed. I would wager that if you watch the video of that game, you'd see that Alabama's defensive line dominated that game.
And a top 5 back should be able to produce
something.
His vision is horrifyingly bad.
He's fast and strong. Well.... everyone in the NFL is. What separates people is agility. He has none.
(12-16-2018, 05:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]We have a depleted offense with a career backup QB. We have an elite defense behind you but your only giving your best offensive player a few touches per game.
Taylor used to get in a rhythm and crease the LBs in the second half.
You can’t just give your 4th overall pick a few touches and then just go back to the passing game, as if we have Manning back there.
Geez. Give him the ball more. Ricky Williams use to have 30 carries for 88 yards but he was getting you 3, 4, 6 yards a pop and then set up play action.
Our play calling is pitiful on offense.
Also, I’m not in the crowd of firing Doug, but if it meant giving the headset to Tom Coughlin then I would be all for that.
It's all about next year. Sit him and anyone else who's a lock to make next year's team. Why risk them to injury on a lost season?
(12-17-2018, 11:33 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:04 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]We should have taken heed of his failures versus Alabama.
He was destroyed.
Seeing the same thing in the NFL.
If an offensive line gets destroyed, the running back gets destroyed. I would wager that if you watch the video of that game, you'd see that Alabama's defensive line dominated that game.
And yet Dalvin Cook was putting up 100+ yards every game with the terrible FSU OL. He was always having to avoid DL in the backfield and find his own holes to make yards. He saved Jimbo Fisher's job because without him pressure gets put on him a lot sooner.
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Hes a power back that excels with gap blocking, with gap blockimg you follow your kead and hit the hole your blocks create. Since our oline has been banged up weve been playing more zone blocking on the run game. With zone you need to press the line and feel the lane for the 1 cut, with gap you get north south and bulldoze.
Ita nit neccessarily a lack of vision bc when the oline is healthy and they call gap/power-o type plays he sees the crease and hits it. I think its a comfort level in the type of play calls in the running game as he didnt do much zone running at LSU
(12-18-2018, 10:20 AM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Hes a power back that excels with gap blocking, with gap blockimg you follow your kead and hit the hole your blocks create. Since our oline has been banged up weve been playing more zone blocking on the run game. With zone you need to press the line and feel the lane for the 1 cut, with gap you get north south and bulldoze.
Ita nit neccessarily a lack of vision bc when the oline is healthy and they call gap/power-o type plays he sees the crease and hits it. I think its a comfort level in the type of play calls in the running game as he didnt do much zone running at LSU
So you agree that he sucks?
Those backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Power with straight line speed.
At Pick # 4 he needs to be able to produce something from nothing.
LOL at people acting like playing different running backs changes the way a defense plays. Covering your gaps and sealing the edges are common knowledge for any and all types of running plays. It doesn't matter who's back there. They don't change their scheme. What foolishness this is.
(12-18-2018, 01:43 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:33 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]If an offensive line gets destroyed, the running back gets destroyed. I would wager that if you watch the video of that game, you'd see that Alabama's defensive line dominated that game.
And yet Dalvin Cook was putting up 100+ yards every game with the terrible FSU OL. He was always having to avoid DL in the backfield and find his own holes to make yards. He saved Jimbo Fisher's job because without him pressure gets put on him a lot sooner.
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I always thought Cook looked better, but it didn't matter. Fournette fit the Coughlin mold, it was a gimme.