This thread is so stupid and confirms you know nothing about football. Teams aren’t selling out when Fournette isnt on the field because they know he’s the only legitimate weapon we have. Y’all are like the same stupid fans from Buffalo who wanted Marshawn Lynch gone. We all know how that story goes.
(12-17-2018, 02:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t say he is a Jerome Bettis. He reminds me of Ricky Williams.
Guys wasn’t riding Fournette last year when he waved that DB to come get some or when he busted lose for 190 yards rushing. Or how about rushing for over 1k while missing 3 games. He can wear a defense down over the course of a game if they will feed him the ball.
Actually there were quite a few of us pointing out that Fournette was on his way to yet another bad day while he was averaging under 3 YPC and the team was losing late in the 3rd Q to the Steelers. Then back to back defensive TDs and a 90 yard garbage time TD later and he's crowned something he did not earn.
A top 5 pick, at RB of all positions, shouldn't be a "well he sucks at first but just give him enough carries and pray that the rest of the team keeps it close for 3 quarters" guy.
If you pick a RB Top 5, you want him to be Saquon Barkley or Zeke Elliott-Type players that can produce no matter how bad the team is. Barkley looks like a Superstar at RB in his rookie Season (with a broken passing game), and Zeke almost always produces even when the rest of the Dallas offense is average (except for their line, granted). This excuse that teams know we will hand it to Fournette is not enough imo. I just havent seen enough playmaking ability from him, no vision to create big plays. I understand that our offense sucks, but a top 5 RB is suppose to be a superstar, otherwise you have no business picking him there. He is suppose to be a standout player, not a player that produces when the whole team is playing really well.
(12-17-2018, 07:45 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]If you pick a RB Top 5, you want him to be Saquon Barkley or Zeke Elliott-Type players that can produce no matter how bad the team is. Barkley looks like a Superstar at RB in his rookie Season (with a broken passing game), and Zeke almost always produces even when the rest of the Dallas offense is average (except for their line, granted). This excuse that teams know we will hand it to Fournette is not enough imo. I just havent seen enough playmaking ability from him, no vision to create big plays. I understand that our offense sucks, but a top 5 RB is suppose to be a superstar, otherwise you have no business picking him there. He is suppose to be a standout player, not a player that produces when the whole team is playing really well.
This is the whole point - Fournette should be a game-changing play-maker as a top 5 pick. He's not, he's just a guy and had he been picked in the 3rd round or later, no one would be complaining. But he's like most of our other top 5 picks under Dave Caldwell, seriously underperforming relative to draft position.
(12-17-2018, 02:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t say he is a Jerome Bettis. He reminds me of Ricky Williams.
Guys wasn’t riding Fournette last year when he waved that DB to come get some or when he busted lose for 190 yards rushing. Or how about rushing for over 1k while missing 3 games. He can wear a defense down over the course of a game if they will feed him the ball.
All of a sudden fans are saying Fournette is a bust. Geez.
Almost our entire oline is out with injuries, along with a backup QB. Of course teams are going to stack the box and force Cody Kessler to beat them. Lol some of you guys...
Rickie Williams came out balling, year after year.
Leonard Fournette isn't an elite running back so therefore he is a bust. A top 5 RB should be game changing and elite - he's neither - he's a bust.
Jaguars offense with Fournette.. Power I with FB no play action. They make it easy for the defense to just sell out and crash down on all the lanes. They take him out and they pull the FB and run some pass options. How the heck is that his fault? This is an absolute dumpster bin of an offensive line with a trash game plan. This year is the culmination of bad decisions on offense. We need George Constanza opposite day starting with the Blake Bortles draft.
(12-17-2018, 01:01 AM)Anaheim Jaguars Wrote: [ -> ]From Phil Heilman's column:
With T.J. Yeldon and Corey Grant set to hit free agency and Carlos Hyde (healthy scratch Sunday) a possible cap casualty, Williams could move up on the depth chart at running back entering next season. Signed off Denver’s practice squad earlier this year, Williams said he got first-team reps in practice this week and expected to have a bigger role against the Redskins.
Have the coaching staff put LF on the bust wagon?????
He needs a bigger role! He ran well and hard vs redskins.
It's my fault. I always wanted Fournette to be like Adrian Peterson but I didn't clarify that I wanted him to be like the 24 year old Peterson.
Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
Frankly, I think it's the offense we run at this point. We have no QB, and our offense is idiotically simplistic. We need a new coaching staff. Wash has to go as well, because our defense has FAR too much talent to have the gaffes we've had this year.
(12-17-2018, 11:48 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
I'm not saying Fournette is a bust yet...
but I will say, he wasn't the RB you should be drafting in the top 5.
It isn't HIS fault Caldwell is kinda bad at his job sometimes.
What doesn't help Fournette is that he is running behind a makeshift line with guys that probably wouldn't be rostered in half the league lol
Flowers, Walker, Reed, these household names we got blocking up front are all pretty bad.
The amount of times I see DL guys get pressure up the middle, around the edges, and everything in between in less than 2 seconds on most plays is rough.
When they do give time in the pass game, our QBs can't see the field (Hey Dede is always open)
And the starters were getting some push in the run game, but we should not pretend that they were some all star cast.
Fournette can get you 2 yards when it should be a loss most of the times. But he can't break the big ones if we're not having any success in short and mid range runs.
Much like the QB position.... it isn't all on him, but as a highly drafted pick, we expect more and should expect more.
The OLine matters a great deal though and the majority of our offensive woes fall there truly.
(12-17-2018, 11:48 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
A quality OC with a quality O-Line ought to be able to get very good production out of #27.
And to be clear, I mean "quality." Doesn't need to be "elite."
Injuries (primarily) ruined this offense in 2018, but as much as I was optimistic with Hackett in 2017 and early this year, he didn't seem to know the way to get the most out of his backs.
I thought he was on to it when he trotted out the two-back set with Grant and Fournette, but when Grant got hurt, he just abandoned that entire part of the playbook. Why the heck didn't he continue that with Yeldon and Fournette??
It would put Yeldon in space (where he's effective) and spread out the defense for Fournette greatly helping his game as well.
Every coach parrots that "put your players in a position to succeed" line. Fewer of them really figure out how to do it.
(12-17-2018, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:48 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
A quality OC with a quality O-Line ought to be able to get very good production out of #27.
And to be clear, I mean "quality." Doesn't need to be "elite."
Injuries (primarily) ruined this offense in 2018, but as much as I was optimistic with Hackett in 2017 and early this year, he didn't seem to know the way to get the most out of his backs.
I thought he was on to it when he trotted out the two-back set with Grant and Fournette, but when Grant got hurt, he just abandoned that entire part of the playbook. Why the heck didn't he continue that with Yeldon and Fournette??
It would put Yeldon in space (where he's effective) and spread out the defense for Fournette greatly helping his game as well.
Every coach parrots that "put your players in a position to succeed" line. Fewer of them really figure out how to do it.
I think our coaches are the worst at doing that. Putting the players in a positiion to succeed. I did like the way williams found the holes and made a cutback. Better vision the 4net.
(12-17-2018, 11:54 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:48 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
I'm not saying Fournette is a bust yet...
but I will say, he wasn't the RB you should be drafting in the top 5.
It isn't HIS fault Caldwell is kinda bad at his job sometimes.
What doesn't help Fournette is that he is running behind a makeshift line with guys that probably wouldn't be rostered in half the league lol
Flowers, Walker, Reed, these household names we got blocking up front are all pretty bad.
The amount of times I see DL guys get pressure up the middle, around the edges, and everything in between in less than 2 seconds on most plays is rough.
When they do give time in the pass game, our QBs can't see the field (Hey Dede is always open)
And the starters were getting some push in the run game, but we should not pretend that they were some all star cast.
Fournette can get you 2 yards when it should be a loss most of the times. But he can't break the big ones if we're not having any success in short and mid range runs.
Much like the QB position.... it isn't all on him, but as a highly drafted pick, we expect more and should expect more.
The OLine matters a great deal though and the majority of our offensive woes fall there truly.
Fournette definitely has his weaknesses. My main issue with him is his balance. Another poster mentions it all the time. He doesn’t bounce off tackles or run through arm tackles like he should. He also can’t create on his own, mostly because of his poor lateral agility.
as for his strengths, like you said he can get you 2 yards when it should be a loss. But his biggest strength is that he is terrifying at the second and third level, he has rare speed for his size. People always mention the 90 yard run against the Steelers but that isn’t his best run. His best run is the 75 yarder against the rams. He split the defensive backs that were 30 pounds lighter than he is like they were nothing. That run was a thing of beauty. The issue is he never gets to showcase that speed. Injuries are a factor but i believe the main issue is coaching. Marrone is essentially Jeff Fisher.
Fournette could also just suck but who knows. I believe he wouldn’t be performing this poorly in LA, NO, Dalls etc.
When you have a crappy banged up Oline, you need diverse RBs (i.e. scatbacks) to open the playing field on offense.
(12-17-2018, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 11:48 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is in the same situation Gurley was in with Jeff Fisher, or like other posters mentioned Marshawn Lynch in buffalo or Ricky Williams. Something just isn’t right. I refuse to believe he’s as bad as his numbers indicate, and Marrone gameplanning like it’s 1982 doesn’t help.
A quality OC with a quality O-Line ought to be able to get very good production out of #27.
And to be clear, I mean "quality." Doesn't need to be "elite."
Injuries (primarily) ruined this offense in 2018, but as much as I was optimistic with Hackett in 2017 and early this year, he didn't seem to know the way to get the most out of his backs.
I thought he was on to it when he trotted out the two-back set with Grant and Fournette, but when Grant got hurt, he just abandoned that entire part of the playbook. Why the heck didn't he continue that with Yeldon and Fournette??
It would put Yeldon in space (where he's effective) and spread out the defense for Fournette greatly helping his game as well.
Every coach parrots that "put your players in a position to succeed" line. Fewer of them really figure out how to do it.
Agree 100%
Unfortunately, I think what you have to do to make Fournette a success and what you have to do to make the other 10 players on offense a success are very different things. There was a lot of talk predraft about how questionable Fournette's fit would be in the modern NFL, and I think those people were proven to be right.
At this point I think you have to draft a QB and do everything you can to build to his strengths and fit Fournette in wherever you can (probably a short yardage/goal line back). This whole taking an outdated archaic RB and trying to shoehorn an offense around him is not going to win us games going forward either.
(12-17-2018, 02:34 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t say he is a Jerome Bettis. He reminds me of Ricky Williams.
Guys wasn’t riding Fournette last year when he waved that DB to come get some or when he busted lose for 190 yards rushing. Or how about rushing for over 1k while missing 3 games. He can wear a defense down over the course of a game if they will feed him the ball.
All of a sudden fans are saying Fournette is a bust. Geez.
Almost our entire oline is out with injuries, along with a backup QB. Of course teams are going to stack the box and force Cody Kessler to beat them. Lol some of you guys...
That player you speak of hasn't been on the team in awhile. Where is that version of Fournette?
(12-17-2018, 03:04 AM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is so stupid and confirms you know nothing about football. Teams aren’t selling out when Fournette isnt on the field because they know he’s the only legitimate weapon we have. Y’all are like the same stupid fans from Buffalo who wanted Marshawn Lynche gone. We all know how that story goes.
The idiotic comment in this one is strong.
The guy averages less than 4 ypc and is constantly hurt. He sucks bottom line
(12-17-2018, 07:45 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]If you pick a RB Top 5, you want him to be Saquon Barkley or Zeke Elliott-Type players that can produce no matter how bad the team is. Barkley looks like a Superstar at RB in his rookie Season (with a broken passing game), and Zeke almost always produces even when the rest of the Dallas offense is average (except for their line, granted). This excuse that teams know we will hand it to Fournette is not enough imo. I just havent seen enough playmaking ability from him, no vision to create big plays. I understand that our offense sucks, but a top 5 RB is suppose to be a superstar, otherwise you have no business picking him there. He is suppose to be a standout player, not a player that produces when the whole team is playing really well.
Exactly
(12-17-2018, 11:18 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]It's my fault. I always wanted Fournette to be like Adrian Peterson but I didn't clarify that I wanted him to be like the 24 year old Peterson.
He is playing like the 50 year old version of Peterson