(12-18-2018, 02:36 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 02:30 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]The chiefs game was lost by the idiotic coaching staff. We ran the ball 10 times in a row for 50 yards down the chiefs throat. Got to the 3 yard line where it was 3rd and 1 for a first and 3 yards for a TD. This is the moment our season was lost. The idiot coaches decided that was the time to pass the ball on 3rd down and then on 4th down. If we had scored there we go into half time 10-7 and our defense was causing more problems for theifs. So after failing the cheifs march 97 yards to score a TD. After that these morons decided the run wich was working as it should should be abandoned and threw it 61 times but we are a running team and the run was working. The loss is completely on the idiot coaching.
You have excuses for Blake in just about every game. We know. You've been saying it for weeks now.
He won't be back next year so let's just move on. Cool?
Yea thats cool just waiting for who will replace him that will be better that we can afford that will get us to the playoffs next year before we window closes on our defense.
(12-18-2018, 02:29 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Chiefs game was the game that this team became unglued.
The defense was proven they were not elite, Marrone tried going for it on 4th down twice, when on the first he should have just kicked a field goal to make it a one score game 10 - 7.
And Blake or most any other QB should not have thrown it 60 times in a game.
2 of the Ints were garbage ints.
Marrone could have shown more leadership in that game IMO. He needed to slow the game down and not allow the pass happy approach.
The defense had had some breakdowns last year too that should have been a clue that they weren't as good as they were getting credit for. The losses to the tacks, 49ers and Cardinals were games in which the D was allowing big plays and even in some of the wins there were times where coverages were busted and explosive plays were given up. The big difference last year is they were putting a ton of pressure on opposing QBs and getting scoring plays. Now, with the lack of big play turnovers and an offense that regressed to 2016 levels of incompetence, it's no wonder we've regressed as much as we have.
(12-18-2018, 02:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 02:29 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Chiefs game was the game that this team became unglued.
The defense was proven they were not elite, Marrone tried going for it on 4th down twice, when on the first he should have just kicked a field goal to make it a one score game 10 - 7.
And Blake or most any other QB should not have thrown it 60 times in a game.
2 of the Ints were garbage ints.
Marrone could have shown more leadership in that game IMO. He needed to slow the game down and not allow the pass happy approach.
The defense had had some breakdowns last year too that should have been a clue that they weren't as good as they were getting credit for. The losses to the tacks, 49ers and Cardinals were games in which the D was allowing big plays and even in some of the wins there were times where coverages were busted and explosive plays were given up. The big difference last year is they were putting a ton of pressure on opposing QBs and getting scoring plays. Now, with the lack of big play turnovers and an offense that regressed to 2016 levels of incompetence, it's no wonder we've regressed as much as we have.
Also the Jets Last year the defense gave up over 200 yard rushing. The one thing about those games as bad as the defense played Blake brought us back. A holding call negated a TD in the jets game would have won it for us. And Lee's Droped pass at the 20 to set up game winning FG in arizona. In SF we were driving to win the game and yes Blake threw the INT that one was on him. But people say he has no skill to bring us back from being down is just not correct. Even this year he brought us back in the first Indy game after the defense spotted them 29, If not for geens fumble not a fumble play we would at least tied or maybe even won that game.
(12-18-2018, 02:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 02:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]The defense had had some breakdowns last year too that should have been a clue that they weren't as good as they were getting credit for. The losses to the tacks, 49ers and Cardinals were games in which the D was allowing big plays and even in some of the wins there were times where coverages were busted and explosive plays were given up. The big difference last year is they were putting a ton of pressure on opposing QBs and getting scoring plays. Now, with the lack of big play turnovers and an offense that regressed to 2016 levels of incompetence, it's no wonder we've regressed as much as we have.
Also the Jets Last year the defense gave up over 200 yard rushing.
That all basically came on two big plays. One of which was a screw up by the officials as the runner was down by contact but allowed to continue to the endzone after the defenders stopped pursuit. Not really a good example.
(12-18-2018, 02:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 02:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Also the Jets Last year the defense gave up over 200 yard rushing.
That all basically came on two big plays. One of which was a screw up by the officials as the runner was down by contact but allowed to continue to the endzone after the defenders stopped pursuit. Not really a good example.
Yea i know but :p it was more about blake being able to bring us back with a game winning drive.
Just for some clarity with respect to the defense, they are currently 2nd against the pass and 6th in yards and points. We are 19th against the run also. I agree they are definitely not what we were last year sack wise and turnover wise. But statistically, they aren't horrible.
Not about the stats, they have not made the stops needed to close out games.
Last year they did.
This year they thought they would.....
(12-18-2018, 03:00 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]Just for some clarity with respect to the defense, they are currently 2nd against the pass and 6th in yards and points. We are 19th against the run also. I agree they are definitely not what we were last year sack wise and turnover wise. But statistically, they aren't horrible.
Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
(12-18-2018, 03:04 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:00 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]Just for some clarity with respect to the defense, they are currently 2nd against the pass and 6th in yards and points. We are 19th against the run also. I agree they are definitely not what we were last year sack wise and turnover wise. But statistically, they aren't horrible.
Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
Refresh my memory, has Blake ever had a game winning drive? He is more likely to turn it over when the game is on the line. I've seen enough of Blake under those circumstances that I would rather take my chances with a Haskins or Grier in that situation.
(12-18-2018, 03:04 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:00 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]Just for some clarity with respect to the defense, they are currently 2nd against the pass and 6th in yards and points. We are 19th against the run also. I agree they are definitely not what we were last year sack wise and turnover wise. But statistically, they aren't horrible.
Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
Imagine if the Browns had been stubborn and kept Taylor on the field over Mayfield. Or if the Seahawks kept Flynn over Wilson.
Blake needs literally everything around him to be perfect just so he can be average.
You're right. The window won't be open forever. Do we really want Blake Bortles in there during this window? What is Blakes record against Luck, Mariota and Watson? He pretty much can't beat those guys and that's a problem.
(12-18-2018, 03:25 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:04 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
Refresh my memory, has Blake ever had a game winning drive? He is more likely to turn it over when the game is on the line. I've seen enough of Blake under those circumstances that I would rather take my chances with a Haskins or Grier in that situation.
Tech. he has had 7 that succeeded . a few that if not for other players drop passes or fumbles would have also succeeded.
(12-18-2018, 03:34 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:25 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Refresh my memory, has Blake ever had a game winning drive? He is more likely to turn it over when the game is on the line. I've seen enough of Blake under those circumstances that I would rather take my chances with a Haskins or Grier in that situation.
Tech. he has had 7 that succeeded . a few that if not for other players drop passes or fumbles would have also succeeded.
Bahahahahaha
They are counting the Chargers game as a game winning drive even though he threw 2 INTERCEPTIONS AT THE END OF THAT GAME.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...r=BortBl00
I can't believe we are still making excuses for Blake in year 5. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
(12-18-2018, 03:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe we are still making excuses for Blake in year 5. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I don't know about crazy pills, but definitely crazy people. Why are you subjecting yourself to this?
(12-18-2018, 04:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe we are still making excuses for Blake in year 5. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I don't know about crazy pills, but definitely crazy people. Why are you subjecting yourself to this?
Hes a glutten for punishment. most ppl wanted to pay Alex smith big money this offseason, he was way worst then blake after 5 years. Should we wait around with blake 10 years untill he is as good as alex was at 10 years, even i say no. I just look at the top tier QBs and most of them sat for years or it took them years to get to the level of play yall are expecting. BB in his 4th year led the Jags to the AFCCG and out dueled and out played the 2 Elite QBs he faced. Everone says give marone a pass this year cause he got the team to the AFCCG last year well do the same to Blake. If the line and 4net had not gotten hurt Blake was on track to have a better year this year as was the rest of the team.
Nope, I'm not falling into this quicksand of crazy.
(12-18-2018, 04:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, I'm not falling into this quicksand of crazy.
Yup.
Think you're right. It's all good though. Blake and Kessler won't be here next year and at least we can argue about 2 different QBs.
(12-18-2018, 03:02 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Not about the stats, they have not made the stops needed to close out games.
Last year they did.
This year they thought they would.....
How can the defense close out games when the offense can barely score 14 points
Defense is not the issue at all
(12-18-2018, 02:30 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 02:14 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]
Bortles had 5 turnovers the Chiefs game. Not to mention some terrible passes when we were still in it... like hitting his own lineman in the back of the helmet on a crucial play in the redzone during the first half.
The chiefs game was lost by the idiotic coaching staff. We ran the ball 10 times in a row for 50 yards down the chiefs throat. Got to the 3 yard line where it was 3rd and 1 for a first and 3 yards for a TD. This is the moment our season was lost. The idiot coaches decided that was the time to pass the ball on 3rd down and then on 4th down. If we had scored there we go into half time 10-7 and our defense was causing more problems for theifs. So after failing the cheifs march 97 yards to score a TD. After that these morons decided the run wich was working as it should should be abandoned and threw it 61 times but we are a running team and the run was working. The loss is completely on the idiot coaching.
Haha defending Bottles by saying the coaching staff screwed up by putting the ball in Bortles' hands. That's new.
(12-18-2018, 03:04 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:00 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]Just for some clarity with respect to the defense, they are currently 2nd against the pass and 6th in yards and points. We are 19th against the run also. I agree they are definitely not what we were last year sack wise and turnover wise. But statistically, they aren't horrible.
Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
The window unfortunately might be closed. We can't win with Blake consistently. We got extremely lucky last year (no injuries and the luck within games). Blake played very well against Pitt and NE. But if we played someone better than Buffalo in the Wild Card game, we wouldn't have been there. I think everyone here appreciates Blake and his attitude and fight. But we all know he just doesn't have the arm and decision making skills to be a franchise QB that consistently takes us to the playoffs and beyond. This year was not on him; but it also shows that he can't make things happen without perfection around him. And we can't count on having perfection around the team every year.
(12-18-2018, 04:42 PM)J-Mizzal Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:02 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Not about the stats, they have not made the stops needed to close out games.
Last year they did.
This year they thought they would.....
How can the defense close out games when the offense can barely score 14 points
Defense is not the issue at all
What the hell are you talking about?
If the defense has a chance to secure a victory with a stop.....that is all on the defense.
(12-18-2018, 07:06 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:04 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Thats what i am talking about. With a new DC who can fix the small problems, and most improtantly make half time adjustmenst. This Defense is Championship quality. The window wont be open forever, do we really think one of these rookiees will do enough to get us there?
The window unfortunately might be closed. We can't win with Blake consistently. We got extremely lucky last year (no injuries and the luck within games). Blake played very well against Pitt and NE. But if we played someone better than Buffalo in the Wild Card game, we wouldn't have been there. I think everyone here appreciates Blake and his attitude and fight. But we all know he just doesn't have the arm and decision making skills to be a franchise QB that consistently takes us to the playoffs and beyond. This year was not on him; but it also shows that he can't make things happen without perfection around him. And we can't count on having perfection around the team every year.
With all the FA pickups, we only anticipated a 2 to maybe 3 year window.