Team sport. Team effort. It's been cited quite a few times around here but there's absolutely enough blame to go around from top down. Starts in the front office. The players we have here, both, good and bad. That's all on this scouting staff, coaching staff, the general manager and the owner.
Scouts scout. Players play. Coaches coach. You have to find a way to properly balance all of that out and have enough foresight to see trends around the NFL and where you'll need to improve on a daily basis. I say it here and there. But I truly appreciate the season ticket holders in this city man.
We'd be [BLEEP] without the loyalty they've instilled over the years.
(12-18-2018, 12:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Plenty of blame to go around.
Blake single-handedly lost some games for the Jags. He had lots of help along the way though.
Ultimately - you have to point to the front office for sticking with him after 2016 IMO, but the 2018 season failure has been a perfect storm of suckage from every angle. Not just Blake and the F.O.
Even the one thing we weren't supposed to have any concern about (the defense) found ways to give up bug chunk plays and gift wins to opponents instead of closing out games.
I have no idea who will ultimately calling shots in the draft and free agency this year, but they have a tall order to fix the offense. And whoever the coaching staff may be has a tall order to lead a talented defensive roster to better discipline and consistency.
Blame who you want - I'm focused on fixing it.
Leave the defense out of this, remember last year, they came out, did their job, and got the ball back where the offense drove down the field and got at least one first down, think of it this way, typically a play runs about 40 secs, in a normal game setting, like the first drive, much faster if the end of a game and a team is in the hurry-up offense.
Now 4/5 times in the Steelers game our offense didn't get a single first down, 3 and out. so roughly 40 secs per play, 2:00 minutes and its 4th down, punt and commercials (official Timeout) 2:00 minutes, so for 5 straight drives the defense was asked to stop a high powered offense, not to mention it got faster on the last few drives as they were in a hurry-up mode, players with hands on hips trying to catch their breath only to have to go back out 4 minutes later and do it all again. so yeah leave the Defense out of it. The defense is fine IMO, sure there are a few issues but being on the field time and time again does not help.
(12-18-2018, 03:34 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 03:25 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Refresh my memory, has Blake ever had a game winning drive? He is more likely to turn it over when the game is on the line. I've seen enough of Blake under those circumstances that I would rather take my chances with a Haskins or Grier in that situation.
Tech. he has had 7 that succeeded . a few that if not for other players drop passes or fumbles would have also succeeded.
Going by the link provided by Cleatwood I give him 6. The 5th one against Tenn was a defensive score via turnover on a short field
. Still I am impressed he has had that many. His failures are what I remember
You know what I see when I watch Derrick Henry? Barry Sanders, all thanks to our defense
(12-18-2018, 08:23 PM)Mike Jones Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 12:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Plenty of blame to go around.
Blake single-handedly lost some games for the Jags. He had lots of help along the way though.
Ultimately - you have to point to the front office for sticking with him after 2016 IMO, but the 2018 season failure has been a perfect storm of suckage from every angle. Not just Blake and the F.O.
Even the one thing we weren't supposed to have any concern about (the defense) found ways to give up bug chunk plays and gift wins to opponents instead of closing out games.
I have no idea who will ultimately calling shots in the draft and free agency this year, but they have a tall order to fix the offense. And whoever the coaching staff may be has a tall order to lead a talented defensive roster to better discipline and consistency.
Blame who you want - I'm focused on fixing it.
Leave the defense out of this, remember last year, they came out, did their job, and got the ball back where the offense drove down the field and got at least one first down, think of it this way, typically a play runs about 40 secs, in a normal game setting, like the first drive, much faster if the end of a game and a team is in the hurry-up offense.
Now 4/5 times in the Steelers game our offense didn't get a single first down, 3 and out. so roughly 40 secs per play, 2:00 minutes and its 4th down, punt and commercials (official Timeout) 2:00 minutes, so for 5 straight drives the defense was asked to stop a high powered offense, not to mention it got faster on the last few drives as they were in a hurry-up mode, players with hands on hips trying to catch their breath only to have to go back out 4 minutes later and do it all again. so yeah leave the Defense out of it. The defense is fine IMO, sure there are a few issues but being on the field time and time again does not help.
You're kind-of missing my point. I'm saying 2018 was so bad, even the good players on the roster screwed up.
I think the defense is indeed basically fine. But they underachieved in 2018. They played badly during significant portions of about 5 games at times when offensive three and outs were not an issue. Lots of individual screw ups from players that should be better than the performances they turned in. Busted coverages, bad run fits from backers, DTs manhandled in run defense, and bad angles from safeties all reared their head more so than in 2017. I'm not going to just ignore that stuff.
I think they can play better without major changes, but they'll need a fire lit under their rear-ends prior to the 2019 campaign IMO.
There needs to be a post count requirement for starting threads. Smh.
(12-18-2018, 12:25 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 11:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thought swapping out Bortles for Kessler was going to end in better results was naive at best and desperately ignorant at worst.
Anyone who thinks putting Bortles back in would net any better results is probably equally so.
Time to retool the offense and rebuild the front office and coach staff
Wow... just when I thought I had heard all the worst takes about the upcoming crop of QBs....
Of the 93 QBs taken since 2011 when we took gabbert, Only 6 have played in a AFCCG. Luck, Kap, Cam, Foles, Blake, Wilson. I think this QB class is weak next year it will be better. but Finding a Franchise QB who can get you to the playoffs and beyond is not easy. I honestly dont think any of the QB avaialbe this year will be that franchise guy.
This is the equivalent to saying we need to darft the next Trent Dilfer, since he's an SB-winning QB.
(12-18-2018, 12:25 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 11:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thought swapping out Bortles for Kessler was going to end in better results was naive at best and desperately ignorant at worst.
Anyone who thinks putting Bortles back in would net any better results is probably equally so.
Time to retool the offense and rebuild the front office and coach staff
Wow... just when I thought I had heard all the worst takes about the upcoming crop of QBs....
Of the 93 QBs taken since 2011 when we took gabbert, Only 6 have played in a AFCCG. Luck, Kap, Cam, Foles, Blake, Wilson. I think this QB class is weak next year it will be better. but Finding a Franchise QB who can get you to the playoffs and beyond is not easy. I honestly dont think any of the QB avaialbe this year will be that franchise guy.
What are you even talking about? Kap, Cam, Foles and Wilson don't play in the AFC.
The AFC has been dominated by Peyton and Brady the last 15 years or so. In the last 15 years in the AFC, the only QB outside of Manning, Brady or Ben that has made a SB is Flacco. That has nothing to do with the other QB's in the AFC and everything to do with how dominate those guys are.
No one said finding a franchise QB is easy but it's pretty clear Blake isn't even close to being one.
Let it go, Blake is gone next season.....Jesus Christ beating a dead horse....
(12-19-2018, 11:17 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2018, 12:25 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Of the 93 QBs taken since 2011 when we took gabbert, Only 6 have played in a AFCCG. Luck, Kap, Cam, Foles, Blake, Wilson. I think this QB class is weak next year it will be better. but Finding a Franchise QB who can get you to the playoffs and beyond is not easy. I honestly dont think any of the QB avaialbe this year will be that franchise guy.
What are you even talking about? Kap, Cam, Foles and Wilson don't play in the AFC.
The AFC has been dominated by Peyton and Brady the last 15 years or so. In the last 15 years in the AFC, the only QB outside of Manning, Brady or Ben that has made a SB is Flacco. That has nothing to do with the other QB's in the AFC and everything to do with how dominate those guys are.
No one said finding a franchise QB is easy but it's pretty clear Blake isn't even close to being one.
Clearly i messed up and ment a confrence championship game. and if someone had any understanding of actual content might have figured that out. I think you are confusing Franchise QB with Elite QB they are 2 different things. Your main complaint is that BB is not consistent. After watching this NFL season i have not see one QB that has the consistency you are speaking of they all have good and bad games even the elites. So i guess they all suck and need to be replaced.
(12-17-2018, 10:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Fire the janitor, the tshirt cannon crew, the PA guy, and the Head Usher.
At least the cannon crew... I hate those guys!