(03-01-2019, 02:39 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:19 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.
The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.
Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
(03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:39 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.
Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.
It would be drafting a QB just to say you did. If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.
(03-01-2019, 02:58 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.
It would be drafting a QB just to say you did. If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.
The later round QB I really like is the kid out of Northwestern. I would be really happy if we took him in the later rounds.
(03-01-2019, 02:58 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.
It would be drafting a QB just to say you did. If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.
I don't think Haskins or Murray is worth building the franchise around. If we can make the numbers work, without having to do many major cuts, I'd like to have Foles.
Haskins will definitely be better then Foles in his career.
(03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:39 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.
Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.
Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.
To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.
(03-01-2019, 03:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.
Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.
To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.
How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last? You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.
(03-01-2019, 03:13 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:58 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.
It would be drafting a QB just to say you did. If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.
I don't think Haskins or Murray is worth building the franchise around. If we can make the numbers work, without having to do many major cuts, I'd like to have Foles.
I agree with you. Though Pete Prisco has been banging on the drums that Coughlin prefers Haskins to Foles.
(03-01-2019, 03:20 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 03:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.
Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.
To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.
How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last? You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.
I agree that we don't know how Haskins will turn out but you can't judge him based on previous QBs at OSU or under Meyer. He is his own person. Just curious, which college coaches produce the best NFL QBs? Which universities produce the best ones? There is no pattern at all when drafting a QB. They come from schools and coaches with horrible QB backgrounds. Judging Haskins poorly because he played at OSU and under Meyer is just lazy. Those Purdue QBs never work out well... except for Brees. Those Michigan QBs never work out... well except for Brady. Those Texas Tech QBs come from pass happy offenses and never work out in the pros.... well except for Mahomes.
And we know who Foles is. He's an average QB who has high highs and low lows. I'm willing to take Haskins and hopefully give this franchise it's first ever true franchise QB.
(03-01-2019, 03:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 03:20 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last? You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.
I agree that we don't know how Haskins will turn out but you can't judge him based on previous QBs at OSU or under Meyer. He is his own person. Just curious, which college coaches produce the best NFL QBs? Which universities produce the best ones? There is no pattern at all when drafting a QB. They come from schools and coaches with horrible QB backgrounds. Judging Haskins poorly because he played at OSU and under Meyer is just lazy. Those Purdue QBs never work out well... except for Brees. Those Michigan QBs never work out... well except for Brady. Those Texas Tech QBs come from pass happy offenses and never work out in the pros.... well except for Mahomes.
And we know who Foles is. He's an average QB who has high highs and low lows. I'm willing to take Haskins and hopefully give this franchise it's first ever true franchise QB.
You forgot about all the terrible Jeff Tedford QBs, until Rodgers.
(03-01-2019, 03:20 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 03:17 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.
Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.
To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.
How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last? You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.
The QB history of Ohio State has no bearing on Haskins's NFL career.
I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.
My favorite options at the moment are:
- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there
- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up
I’m still on the fence about Murray
(03-01-2019, 05:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.
My favorite options at the moment are:
- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there
- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up
I’m still on the fence about Murray
Prefer Haskins but if you go the Foles route...don't grab Grier unless it's the 3rd round.
Those 1st two picks should be TE/OL/WR if you go with Foles.
(03-01-2019, 07:42 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 05:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.
My favorite options at the moment are:
- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there
- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up
I’m still on the fence about Murray
Prefer Haskins but if you go the Foles route...don't grab Grier unless it's the 3rd round.
Those 1st two picks should be TE/OL/WR if you go with Foles.
If they throw away their money on Foles, there's no point in even taking a QB in this draft. They need to use those picks to add as many pieces on Offense around him as they can.
(03-01-2019, 02:19 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.
Our defense should still be formidable, but I think we're going to have to ask the QB to win quite a bit next year. We have major question marks at safety and linebacker, and our dline depth is gone. I really don't think plugging in Foles and telling him not to screw it up is going to win us a super bowl.
(03-01-2019, 08:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:19 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.
Our defense should still be formidable, but I think we're going to have to ask the QB to win quite a bit next year. We have major question marks at safety and linebacker, and our dline depth is gone. I really don't think plugging in Foles and telling him not to screw it up is going to win us a super bowl.
Fitzpatrick as an interim quarterback and draft Murry or Daniel Jones for a future starter. Fitz will not break the bank and I believe he is a better QB than Foles. Murry has developed the ability to move out of the pocket to compensate for his hight to provide downfield vision and avoid d lineman from batting down the ball. He looks to pass the ball downfield and has the option to run the ball if coverage dictates. The only question is can he take the punishment of an NFL quarterback. Maybe not ten years ago but with the rules protecting the quarterback in today's game he has a much better chance for a long career in the NFL. I see Foles as the second coming of Cousins and a great way to destroy any cap room for the future.
(03-01-2019, 02:49 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2019, 02:39 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.
Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.
Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him. If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.
Remember when Goff and Wentz were both suppsed to be terrible while Winston and Mariota were going to be great?
You take the guy you think is a Franchise QB regardless of what next year is "supposed" to be.