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American interfering in another countries democratic process, very odd behaviour from the ole US Of A.

Since Guaido is the only legitimately elected leader (he's the leader of the national assembly), and the election of Maduro is widely viewed as fraudulent, Guaido has declared himself President until new elections can be held.

Seems reasonable to me.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-president

(01-23-2019, 03:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]American interfering in another countries democratic process, very odd behaviour from the ole US Of A.

Its not odd, its very in character with the Monroe doctrine (which I disagree with). And there is nothing democratic about what is going on with Maduro. He is a dictator, just like all socialists, and is refusing to give up power.

(01-23-2019, 03:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]American interfering in another countries democratic process, very odd behaviour from the ole US Of A.

The United States is not "interfering in another country's political process", it is simply recognizing the rightful Head of State of said country.

Canada, Brazil, and a few other South American countries are following Trump's lead on this. He's doing the right thing here.

I just pray Maduro steps down and leaves the country quickly, that there's no further street violence. Venezuelans have suffered more than most of us can understand.

(01-23-2019, 05:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Canada, Brazil, and a few other South American countries are following Trump's lead on this.  He's doing the right thing here.

I just pray Maduro steps down and leaves the country quickly, that there's no further street violence.  Venezuelans have suffered more than most of us can understand.

Oh bull, we know what they're suffering and we're working hard to prevent that socialist bull [BLEEP] from coming here.

(01-23-2019, 03:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Since Guaido is the only legitimately elected leader (he's the leader of the national assembly), and the election of Maduro is widely viewed as fraudulent, Guaido has declared himself President until new elections can be held.  

Seems reasonable to me.  


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-president

Oh please. The election of Maduro is viewed as fradulent by Western press but large swathes of Venezuela have disagreed with that and supported him despite the economic war designed to cripple the country and remove him from power

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(01-23-2019, 05:01 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 03:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]American interfering in another countries democratic process, very odd behaviour from the ole US Of A.

The United States is not "interfering in another country's political process", it is simply recognizing the rightful Head of State of said country.

The rightful head of state was democratically elected. Other countries failing to recognise that does NOT mean they get to decide if the election is legit or not.

Other countries supporting an illegitimate candidate usurping a legitimately elected candidate is the definition of a coup.

(01-23-2019, 05:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Canada, Brazil, and a few other South American countries are following Trump's lead on this.  He's doing the right thing here.

I just pray Maduro steps down and leaves the country quickly, that there's no further street violence.  Venezuelans have suffered more than most of us can understand.

I had to read the post, the poster’s name, and repeat to make sure I was reading it right.  Did you just say “Trump is doing the right thing”?

(01-23-2019, 05:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Canada, Brazil, and a few other South American countries are following Trump's lead on this.  He's doing the right thing here.

I just pray Maduro steps down and leaves the country quickly, that there's no further street violence.  Venezuelans have suffered more than most of us can understand.

I had to read the post, the poster’s name, and repeat to make sure I was reading it right.  Did you just say “Trump is doing the right thing”?

Yup.

(01-23-2019, 05:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I had to read the post, the poster’s name, and repeat to make sure I was reading it right.  Did you just say “Trump is doing the right thing”?

Yup.

I’m proud of you.  Keep it going.

(01-23-2019, 05:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

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(01-23-2019, 05:01 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The United States is not "interfering in another country's political process", it is simply recognizing the rightful Head of State of said country.

The rightful head of state was democratically elected. Other countries failing to recognise that does NOT mean they get to decide if the election is legit or not.

Other countries supporting an illegitimate candidate usurping a legitimately elected candidate is the definition of a coup.

Guaido's party had a 2/3 majority in the Assembly.  Under the terms of Venezuela's constitution, the one Chavez basically wrote, 2/3 of the Assembly is sufficient to dismiss the President and call for a new Presidential election.  They did so, and Maduro chose to ignore them and create his own "Congress" that had never existed before, that only people who had been involved with his party could run for.
Guaido's the legitimate President.

There are mass protests across Venezuela against the capitalist right wing coup against their democratically elected leaders who is about to be taken out with the help of Western Force is needs be.

Exact same thing happened to Chile, including the economic war waged against it

(01-23-2019, 05:18 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yup.

I’m proud of you.  Keep it going.

I haven't changed.  Trump's done a few commendable things, but this is the first one I've seen mentioned on this board in a long time.

Let's hope Trump keeps it up. I am irrelevant.

(01-23-2019, 05:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 03:56 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Since Guaido is the only legitimately elected leader (he's the leader of the national assembly), and the election of Maduro is widely viewed as fraudulent, Guaido has declared himself President until new elections can be held.  

Seems reasonable to me.  


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-president

Oh please. The election of Maduro is viewed as fradulent by Western press but large swathes of Venezuela have disagreed with that and supported him despite the economic war designed to cripple the country and remove him from power

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(01-23-2019, 05:01 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The United States is not "interfering in another country's political process", it is simply recognizing the rightful Head of State of said country.

The rightful head of state was democratically elected. Other countries failing to recognise that does NOT mean they get to decide if the election is legit or not.

Other countries supporting an illegitimate candidate usurping a legitimately elected candidate is the definition of a coup.

Responding to your response to TRM, it's not just the Western Press that viewed the election as fraudulent.  Many governments and large swaths of the Venezuelan population see it the same way.

Regarding your response to me, think about this for a bit.  Countries/entities that call the election fraudulent include the United Nations, European Union, the Organization of American States, the Lima Group, Australia, Canada and the United States.

Countries that accept the Venezuelan election include China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Turkey.

Think about that for a bit.

(01-23-2019, 05:21 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]There are mass protests across Venezuela against the capitalist right wing coup against their democratically elected leaders who is about to be taken out with the help of Western Force is needs be.  

Exact same thing happened to Chile, including the economic war waged against it

No.  We interfered in Chile so that a US owned corporation could maintain its ownership of Chile's copper mines.  
It was to prevent their government from taking over.
Venezuela's government took over their mineral resources a very long time ago.  I don't think our interference is about that.

(01-23-2019, 05:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I had to read the post, the poster’s name, and repeat to make sure I was reading it right.  Did you just say “Trump is doing the right thing”?

Yup.

LOL.  Just don't hold your breath for Adam to get on board with this.

(01-23-2019, 05:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

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The rightful head of state was democratically elected. Other countries failing to recognise that does NOT mean they get to decide if the election is legit or not.

Other countries supporting an illegitimate candidate usurping a legitimately elected candidate is the definition of a coup.

Guaido's party had a 2/3 majority in the Assembly.  Under the terms of Venezuela's constitution, the one Chavez basically wrote, 2/3 of the Assembly is sufficient to dismiss the President and call for a new Presidential election.  They did so, and Maduro chose to ignore them and create his own "Congress" that had never existed before, that only people who had been involved with his party could run for.
Guaido's the legitimate President.

You are aware that Guaido has been tried to raise arms against Maduro before the party has a 2/3 majority in Assembly? The assembly has been trying to force through a right wing government since the early 2000s.

(01-23-2019, 05:22 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 05:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Oh please. The election of Maduro is viewed as fradulent by Western press but large swathes of Venezuela have disagreed with that and supported him despite the economic war designed to cripple the country and remove him from power

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The rightful head of state was democratically elected. Other countries failing to recognise that does NOT mean they get to decide if the election is legit or not.

Other countries supporting an illegitimate candidate usurping a legitimately elected candidate is the definition of a coup.

Responding to your response to TRM, it's not just the Western Press that viewed the election as fraudulent.  Many governments and large swaths of the Venezuelan population see it the same way.

Regarding your response to me, think about this for a bit.  Countries/entities that call the election fraudulent include the United Nations, European Union, the Organization of American States, the Lima Group, Australia, Canada and the United States.

Countries that accept the Venezuelan election include China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Turkey.

Think about that for a bit.

Unfortunately I don't view the international world through the eyes of an American. The biggest foreign aggressor you mentioned there was the USA and they have a long track record of destabilising regimes and countries that doesn't help them.  

The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Now I wonder why the US has a vested interest in Venezuela?


Hmmmm