(02-01-2019, 10:37 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 10:34 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]the problem with discussing things with flgators is he usually puts his blinkers on and dies on a hill over people he likes (usually subpar QBs interestingly enough).
I think Foles would be a good fit in Jacksonville but A) No way am i expecting him to be a top 10 QB here B) No way am i giving him 100 million over 4 years C) A QB contract on a rookie deal is the biggest team building advantage in the sport right now
Lol, sounds like the definiton of when JackCity falls in love with one. You always say the same things and then its exactly what you do
(02-01-2019, 10:34 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]the problem with discussing things with flgators is he usually puts his blinkers on and dies on a hill over people he likes (usually subpar QBs interestingly enough).
I think Foles would be a good fit in Jacksonville but A) No way am i expecting him to be a top 10 QB here B) No way am i giving him 100 million over 4 years C) A QB contract on a rookie deal is the biggest team building advantage in the sport right now
Other than Goff, what other QB has led his team to a SB on a rookie deal? Wentz was on a rookie deal but sat the bench while Foles led his team to win it. Marino? Elway?
Nah my track record with draft prospects I love is generally pretty good. Can you name 3 bad QBs I've died on a hill over?
Thats a pretty dumb argument to try dispute a widely agreed upon point but for the purpose of clowning you , in recent history :
Goff
Wilson
Flacco
Kap
Cam Newton
Why do you think having a starting QB on a rookie deal isn't a massive team building advantage?
(02-01-2019, 10:56 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 10:37 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, sounds like the definiton of when JackCity falls in love with one. You always say the same things and then its exactly what you do
Other than Goff, what other QB has led his team to a SB on a rookie deal? Wentz was on a rookie deal but sat the bench while Foles led his team to win it. Marino? Elway?
Nah my track record with draft prospects I love is generally pretty good. Can you name 3 bad QBs I've died on a hill over?
Thats a pretty dumb argument to try dispute a widely agreed upon point but for the purpose of clowning you , in recent history :
Goff
Wilson
Flacco
Kap
Cam Newton
Why do you think having a starting QB on a rookie deal isn't a massive team building advantage?
Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
(02-01-2019, 11:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 10:56 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah my track record with draft prospects I love is generally pretty good. Can you name 3 bad QBs I've died on a hill over?
Thats a pretty dumb argument to try dispute a widely agreed upon point but for the purpose of clowning you , in recent history :
Goff
Wilson
Flacco
Kap
Cam Newton
Why do you think having a starting QB on a rookie deal isn't a massive team building advantage?
Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
Manziel just wasn't good. Blackmon was a stud but if Manziel was as talented as you claim, he would still be in the league. The NFL loves giving 2nd chances to great talents (Michael Vick).
The point here is that only one of us actually thinks Tebow was a great/HOF QB.....
(02-01-2019, 11:11 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
Manziel just wasn't good. Blackmon was a stud but if Manziel was as talented as you claim, he would still be in the league. The NFL loves giving 2nd chances to great talents (Michael Vick).
The point here is that only one of us actually thinks Tebow was a great/HOF QB.....
Manziel was good and talented he is just an addict. " was good". He didnt study the playbook and even admitted it. I bet Blackmon isnt good any more either.
(02-01-2019, 11:11 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
Manziel just wasn't good. Blackmon was a stud but if Manziel was as talented as you claim, he would still be in the league. The NFL loves giving 2nd chances to great talents (Michael Vick).
The point here is that only one of us actually thinks Tebow was a great/HOF QB.....
Agree, and JackCity think he hit on Kap lol. The guy that got benched for Blaine Gabbert
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(02-01-2019, 10:34 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]the problem with discussing things with flgators is he usually puts his blinkers on and dies on a hill over people he likes (usually subpar QBs interestingly enough).
I think Foles would be a good fit in Jacksonville but A) No way am i expecting him to be a top 10 QB here B) No way am i giving him 100 million over 4 years C) A QB contract on a rookie deal is the biggest team building advantage in the sport right now
I remember someone else who was like that....
(02-01-2019, 11:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 10:56 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah my track record with draft prospects I love is generally pretty good. Can you name 3 bad QBs I've died on a hill over?
Thats a pretty dumb argument to try dispute a widely agreed upon point but for the purpose of clowning you , in recent history :
Goff
Wilson
Flacco
Kap
Cam Newton
Why do you think having a starting QB on a rookie deal isn't a massive team building advantage?
Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
That isn't a list of QBs I hit on. Thats a list of QBs that made the superbowls on rookie contracts in recent memory, like you asked.
Also, can you show me exactly how I missed on Teddy? Nobody has "missed" on Jackson after 7 games.
Yeah guys like Adrian Amos, Kevin Byard, Braden Smith etc etc were definitely huge media guys, not guys I actually liked based off my own watching of them. I mean you can find the threads on here if you want.
(02-01-2019, 11:16 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:11 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Manziel just wasn't good. Blackmon was a stud but if Manziel was as talented as you claim, he would still be in the league. The NFL loves giving 2nd chances to great talents (Michael Vick).
The point here is that only one of us actually thinks Tebow was a great/HOF QB.....
Manziel was good and talented he is just an addict. " was good". He didnt study the playbook and even admitted it. I bet Blackmon isnt good any more either.
(02-01-2019, 11:11 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Manziel just wasn't good. Blackmon was a stud but if Manziel was as talented as you claim, he would still be in the league. The NFL loves giving 2nd chances to great talents (Michael Vick).
The point here is that only one of us actually thinks Tebow was a great/HOF QB.....
Agree, and JackCity think he hit on Kap lol. The guy that got benched for Blaine Gabbert
huh
(02-01-2019, 11:29 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not bad except for Kap, 2 were the first QB taken in the draft. A lot of those wasnt on record but it looks like you missed on Jackson and missed on Teddy. I was huge on Newton and was by far my favorite QB in the draft. I liked Wentz better than Goff. I missed on Manziel for the same reason I missed on Blackmon, it had nothing to do with there talents they were just both addicts. You usually go with who the media or twitter likes but there are wrong as much as they are right.
That isn't a list of QBs I hit on. Thats a list of QBs that made the superbowls on rookie contracts in recent memory, like you asked.
Also, can you show me exactly how I missed on Teddy? Nobody has "missed" on Jackson after 7 games.
Yeah guys like Adrian Amos, Kevin Byard, Braden Smith etc etc were definitely huge media guys, not guys I actually liked based off my own watching of them. I mean you can find the threads on here if you want.
(02-01-2019, 11:16 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Manziel was good and talented he is just an addict. " was good". He didnt study the playbook and even admitted it. I bet Blackmon isnt good any more either.
Agree, and JackCity think he hit on Kap lol. The guy that got benched for Blaine Gabbert
huh
Are you saying Teddy wasnt your guy or that you didnt miss on him?
(02-01-2019, 11:37 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:29 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]That isn't a list of QBs I hit on. Thats a list of QBs that made the superbowls on rookie contracts in recent memory, like you asked.
Also, can you show me exactly how I missed on Teddy? Nobody has "missed" on Jackson after 7 games.
Yeah guys like Adrian Amos, Kevin Byard, Braden Smith etc etc were definitely huge media guys, not guys I actually liked based off my own watching of them. I mean you can find the threads on here if you want.
huh
Are you saying Teddy wasnt your guy or that you didnt miss on him?
I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
(02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:37 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you saying Teddy wasnt your guy or that you didnt miss on him?
I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I say this lol? I just told you yesterday who wouldnt want a younger and cheaper QB if both were equal. Did you already forget that conversation? Of course QB on a rookie deal is an advantage if he is really good, but the odds of finding that SB winning QB arent good at all.
I feel our team is too close to risk trying to hit on that rookie if we can get a proven SB MVP winning QB like Foles. The defense is there, I think our running game will be back with our healthy oline, and I feel we can get Foles more weapons early in the draft. If we go with a rookie thats fine but I think our odds of winning a title are much higher the next couple years if we go with the proven Foles
(02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:37 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you saying Teddy wasnt your guy or that you didnt miss on him?
I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I die on a hill for any QB? There are usually a couple QBs I'd be ok with in every draft
(02-01-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I say this lol? I just told you yesterday who wouldnt want a younger and cheaper QB if both were equal. Did you already forget that conversation? Of course QB on a rookie deal is an advantage if he is really good, but the odds of finding that SB winning QB arent good at all.
I feel our team is too close to risk trying to hit on that rookie if we can get a proven SB MVP winning QB like Foles. The defense is there, I think our running game will be back with our healthy oline, and I feel we can get Foles more weapons early in the draft. If we go with a rookie thats fine but I think our odds of winning a title are much higher the next couple years if we go with the proven Foles
(02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I die on a hill for any QB? There are usually a couple QBs I'd be ok with in every draft
Are you serious? Tebow.....
(02-01-2019, 11:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Where did I say this lol? I just told you yesterday who wouldnt want a younger and cheaper QB if both were equal. Did you already forget that conversation? Of course QB on a rookie deal is an advantage if he is really good, but the odds of finding that SB winning QB arent good at all.
I feel our team is too close to risk trying to hit on that rookie if we can get a proven SB MVP winning QB like Foles. The defense is there, I think our running game will be back with our healthy oline, and I feel we can get Foles more weapons early in the draft. If we go with a rookie thats fine but I think our odds of winning a title are much higher the next couple years if we go with the proven Foles
Where did I die on a hill for any QB? There are usually a couple QBs I'd be ok with in every draft
Are you serious? Tebow.....
He wasnt the only QB I like. I liked Bradford as well but injuries I feel is what has hurt his career
(02-01-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I say this lol? I just told you yesterday who wouldnt want a younger and cheaper QB if both were equal. Did you already forget that conversation? Of course QB on a rookie deal is an advantage if he is really good, but the odds of finding that SB winning QB arent good at all.
I feel our team is too close to risk trying to hit on that rookie if we can get a proven SB MVP winning QB like Foles. The defense is there, I think our running game will be back with our healthy oline, and I feel we can get Foles more weapons early in the draft. If we go with a rookie thats fine but I think our odds of winning a title are much higher the next couple years if we go with the proven Foles
(02-01-2019, 11:42 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking where I died on a hill for Teddy
Also, goodjob ignoring you completely missed on the rookie contract question and you didn't answer why you don't think a starting QB on a rookie deal is a massive advantage. Looks like we have another debate fail for you
Where did I die on a hill for any QB? There are usually a couple QBs I'd be ok with in every draft
Not sure if you are playing stupid or if its just a natural disposition. I said "having a Qb on a rookie deal is a massive advantage" to which you said " oh yeah name some QBs who've got their team to a SB on a rookie deal then (which is a dumb argument to disprove the point made), i then listed some in recent memory. So you have no issues with my statement then? Good.
Tebow and Manziel? I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm died on a hill over Teddy vs the other Qbs in the draft considering I barely posted back then. You've also claimed multiple time that my draft takes come from the media and twitter, despite plenty of evidence in multiple threads on here to the contrary
(02-01-2019, 12:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Are you serious? Tebow.....
He wasnt the only QB I like. I liked Bradford as well but injuries I feel is what has hurt his career
You claimed Tebow is a good QB who isn't in the league due to a religous black balling. Thats dying on a hill because he played for the college you support
(02-01-2019, 12:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Are you serious? Tebow.....
He wasnt the only QB I like. I liked Bradford as well but injuries I feel is what has hurt his career
Great. But you said "Where did I die on a hill for any QB?"
The answer is Tebow.
(02-01-2019, 12:02 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Where did I say this lol? I just told you yesterday who wouldnt want a younger and cheaper QB if both were equal. Did you already forget that conversation? Of course QB on a rookie deal is an advantage if he is really good, but the odds of finding that SB winning QB arent good at all.
I feel our team is too close to risk trying to hit on that rookie if we can get a proven SB MVP winning QB like Foles. The defense is there, I think our running game will be back with our healthy oline, and I feel we can get Foles more weapons early in the draft. If we go with a rookie thats fine but I think our odds of winning a title are much higher the next couple years if we go with the proven Foles
Where did I die on a hill for any QB? There are usually a couple QBs I'd be ok with in every draft
Not sure if you are playing stupid or if its just a natural disposition. I said "having a Qb on a rookie deal is a massive advantage" to which you said " oh yeah name some QBs who've got their team to a SB on a rookie deal then (which is a dumb argument to disprove the point made), i then listed some in recent memory. So you have no issues with my statement then? Good.
Tebow and Manziel? I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm died on a hill over Teddy vs the other Qbs in the draft considering I barely posted back then. You've also claimed multiple time that my draft takes come from the media and twitter, despite plenty of evidence in multiple threads on here to the contrary
(02-01-2019, 12:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He wasnt the only QB I like. I liked Bradford as well but injuries I feel is what has hurt his career
You claimed Tebow is a good QB who isn't in the league due to a religous black balling. Thats dying on a hill because he played for the college you support
But the goal is trying to win a SB. So who falls in in there? Wilson and Flacco? 2 QBs that had the best D in the league
(02-01-2019, 12:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 12:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He wasnt the only QB I like. I liked Bradford as well but injuries I feel is what has hurt his career
Great. But you said "Where did I die on a hill for any QB?"
The answer is Tebow.
So the 2 time National Champ, Heisman winner, the guy that had more comeback wins than anyone in the league, and the guy that had over 300 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Broncos to a win in the playoffs? Not bad, if you ever like a guy with those accomplishments I couldnt be mad and would understand. You are a Maryland fan though so you would never understand
(02-01-2019, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 12:02 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if you are playing stupid or if its just a natural disposition. I said "having a Qb on a rookie deal is a massive advantage" to which you said " oh yeah name some QBs who've got their team to a SB on a rookie deal then (which is a dumb argument to disprove the point made), i then listed some in recent memory. So you have no issues with my statement then? Good.
Tebow and Manziel? I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm died on a hill over Teddy vs the other Qbs in the draft considering I barely posted back then. You've also claimed multiple time that my draft takes come from the media and twitter, despite plenty of evidence in multiple threads on here to the contrary
You claimed Tebow is a good QB who isn't in the league due to a religous black balling. Thats dying on a hill because he played for the college you support
But the goal is trying to win a SB. So who falls in in there? Wilson and Flacco? 2 QBs that had the best D in the league
(02-01-2019, 12:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Great. But you said "Where did I die on a hill for any QB?"
The answer is Tebow.
So the 2 time National Champ, Heisman winner, the guy that had more comeback wins than anyone in the league, and the guy that had over 300 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Broncos to a win in the playoffs? Not bad, if you ever like a guy with those accomplishments I couldnt be mad and would understand
Your best shot of winning the SB is either A) Having a HOF QB or B) Having an incredibly well built team. A starting QB on a rookie deal is one of the greatest team building advantages you can have in todays NFL so yes it would be a big help to have that if you are trying to win a SB and don't have a QB.
His natty and heisman count for nothing in the NFL. His NFL resume is a bad QB who was historically inaccurate and had a good run to the playoffs. He was a bust pick and he's not in the league because he's not enough at throwing the ball. You can keep dying on a hill over him because he went to your school and we will keep making fun of you for it.
(02-01-2019, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ].
hahaha
(02-01-2019, 12:25 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]But the goal is trying to win a SB. So who falls in in there? Wilson and Flacco? 2 QBs that had the best D in the league
So the 2 time National Champ, Heisman winner, the guy that had more comeback wins than anyone in the league, and the guy that had over 300 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Broncos to a win in the playoffs? Not bad, if you ever like a guy with those accomplishments I couldnt be mad and would understand
Your best shot of winning the SB is either A) Having a HOF QB or B) Having an incredibly well built team. A starting QB on a rookie deal is one of the greatest team building advantages you can have in todays NFL so yes it would be a big help to have that if you are trying to win a SB and don't have a QB.
His natty and heisman count for nothing in the NFL. His NFL resume is a bad QB who was historically inaccurate and had a good run to the playoffs. He was a bust pick and he's not in the league because he's not enough at throwing the ball. You can keep dying on a hill over him because he went to your school and we will keep making fun of you for it.
(02-01-2019, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ].
hahaha
It was the last sentence lol. I had to add it to the one above
okay I really need to stop derailing threads debating flgators. maybe make a special thread for that lol
(02-01-2019, 12:25 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2019, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]But the goal is trying to win a SB. So who falls in in there? Wilson and Flacco? 2 QBs that had the best D in the league
So the 2 time National Champ, Heisman winner, the guy that had more comeback wins than anyone in the league, and the guy that had over 300 yards and 3 TDs to lead the Broncos to a win in the playoffs? Not bad, if you ever like a guy with those accomplishments I couldnt be mad and would understand
Your best shot of winning the SB is either A) Having a HOF QB or B) Having an incredibly well built team. A starting QB on a rookie deal is one of the greatest team building advantages you can have in todays NFL so yes it would be a big help to have that if you are trying to win a SB and don't have a QB.
His natty and heisman count for nothing in the NFL. His NFL resume is a bad QB who was historically inaccurate and had a good run to the playoffs. He was a bust pick and he's not in the league because he's not enough at throwing the ball. You can keep dying on a hill over him because he went to your school and we will keep making fun of you for it.
(02-01-2019, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ].
hahaha
You also have to remember that there wasn’t a rookie cap until recently like 2012? Before that it wasn’t a huge advantage because top tier qbs got massive deals right out of college.
(01-31-2019, 04:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not worried about being under the cap.
My concern is extending Ramsey and Ngakoue.
Looks like that will be fine as well as long as they don’t pay stupid millions for a QB or overspend on other free agents.
If you dip your toe into free agency, it's guaranteed you're going to overspend. How much you overspend depends on the quality of the FAs you're bringing in.
As far as paying stupid milions for a QB, the only way to avoid that is to do whatever you have to do to select the best QB in the draft, AND sign a veteran FA to a reasonable deal. Again, you're going to overspend on any veteran you sign because that's the nature of the beast.