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Quote:According to some geniuses on this board, benching House to motivate him was just Gus being dumb.

He was replaced by Dwayne Gratz, it wasn't just dumb. It was suicidal.

Quote:It is rather telling that this team fits players to their scheme as opposed to teams that work to fit their scheme around their players' talents. This isn't necessarily a problems, but most football experts will tell you the latter method is preferred. Here's another example as explained by Malik...



<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">“That’s the hardest part, to try to do the skills they want you to do,” Jackson said. “In Denver, I could do things with my eyes closed. Now, when I get tired I can’t resort to the things I knew. I have to do the things they taught me here. It’s getting there. Game by game, it’s getting better.<em>”</em>

Wade Phillips didn't fit his scheme to Jackson. In fact, experts will not tell you that is preferred. Example, when suh got to Miami, they had him playing 1t and two gapping. Malik had one year under wade, you think wade made changes in his scheme to accommodate him?

Jackson hasn't even been in this scheme half the year. He may feel like his duties are second nature by the end of the year. Gus isn't running a ground breaking scheme, it just emphasizes different things. They so want to send 4 and drop 7 most of the time.

Quote:KyJaggy doesn't care about his 10 yard split, it's all about that 3-cone drill

When it comes to DE that's pretty much true. 10 yard split matters, but it's the least of the ones that do.  

 

3 cone > broad and vertical jumps > shuttles > 10 yard split. 40 and bench press have virtually zero correlation to success. 

Quote:The probability of winning never changes no matter who is coaching a team. It is always 50 percent. How do I know? Three words: Any Given Sunday.

So you were unsure who was going to win Pats/Browns last week? Because you were the only one.

Quote:When it comes to DE that's pretty much true. 10 yard split matters, but it's the least of the ones that do.


3 cone > broad and vertical jumps > shuttles > 10 yard split. 40 and bench press have virtually zero correlation to success.

And all of those don't matter nearly as much as effort and football IQ. Also, where did you get your training to rank them in order of importance based on position?

Quote:When it comes to DE that's pretty much true. 10 yard split matters, but it's the least of the ones that do.


3 cone > broad and vertical jumps > shuttles > 10 yard split. 40 and bench press have virtually zero correlation to success.

broad and vertical jump is more important than the 10 yard split for a DE? Lol

Quote:So you were unsure who was going to win Pats/Browns last week? Because you were the only one.

She's. The. Worst

Quote:broad and vertical jump is more important than the 10 yard split for a DE? Lol

 

The first two measure explosiveness, supposedly, to an even greater extent than the 10 yard split. I'd say explosiveness and the ability to use it while also changing direction is about as pure a measurement of what a pass rusher needs as anything.

Yes but broad jump and vertical are not functional movements that a pass rusher uses. Whereas vertical leap for a basketball player or WR is a lot more of a functional movement and therefore more indicative or useful. Just my opinion.


Frankly I don't care how high fowler can jump. How quickly does he get off the snap is much more important.

Quote:Yes but broad jump and vertical are not functional movements that a pass rusher uses. Whereas vertical leap for a basketball player or WR is a lot more of a functional movement and therefore more indicative or useful. Just my opinion.


Frankly I don't care how high fowler can jump. How quickly does he get off the snap is much more important.

 

How high a DE can jump may be less important than other measurements such as quickness of the snap, but comparing the jumps of Fowler and Yannick would not be a bad idea.

Quote:Yes but broad jump and vertical are not functional movements that a pass rusher uses. Whereas vertical leap for a basketball player or WR is a lot more of a functional movement and therefore more indicative or useful. Just my opinion.


Frankly I don't care how high fowler can jump. How quickly does he get off the snap is much more important.

agree

Quote:When it comes to DE that's pretty much true. 10 yard split matters, but it's the least of the ones that do.  

 

3 cone > broad and vertical jumps > shuttles > 10 yard split. 40 and bench press have virtually zero correlation to success. 

 

 

I'd argue that for a LEO, the 10-yard split is the most telling because it's about how fast he can close in a short space which is of primary importance for pass rushing. The 3-cone and shuttles are more of run stuffing ability stats, and the jumps are more about power.

Quote:Yes but broad jump and vertical are not functional movements that a pass rusher uses. Whereas vertical leap for a basketball player or WR is a lot more of a functional movement and therefore more indicative or useful. Just my opinion.


Frankly I don't care how high fowler can jump. How quickly does he get off the snap is much more important.

 

The truth is simply that defensive ends who have great 3 cone and jump scores do better than the ones who only excel in the dash/splits in the vast majority of cases. 

Quote:I'd argue that for a LEO, the 10-yard split is the most telling because it's about how fast he can close in a short space which is of primary importance for pass rushing. The 3-cone and shuttles are more of run stuffing ability stats, and the jumps are more about power.

We can try to theorize how working out in underwear in a completely isolated and inapplicable environment should translate all we want, but all you have to do (and plenty of other people have) is look at the guys who own the league in sacks/TFL/pressures. The ones that dominate there also dominate in the 3 cone and jumps almost always. The guys who have good splits and not much else (a la Fowler) can excel, but are much fewer and farther between.

Quote:I'd argue that for a LEO, the 10-yard split is the most telling because it's about how fast he can close in a short space which is of primary importance for pass rushing. The 3-cone and shuttles are more of run stuffing ability stats, and the jumps are more about power.

What?

Quote:What?

 

 

The 3-cone and shuttles are agility drills primary testing sideline quickness which is key for stuffing the run in the NFL.

Quote:The truth is simply that defensive ends who have great 3 cone and jump scores do better than the ones who only excel in the dash/splits in the vast majority of cases.

Got any evidence of that?

Quote:The 3-cone and shuttles are agility drills primary testing sideline quickness which is key for stuffing the run in the NFL.

No

Yannick Ngakoue stays on top of the rookie sack count against the bears too.  DROY is not impossible.