(04-27-2019, 06:44 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]Isnt Sternberger considered to be a terrible blocker with character issues? I understand the flash of a pure receiving TE, and maybe Oliver isnt quite as good as Sternberger in that regard, but at least he has the frame to block. He needs to work on technique and effort a little bit, but he looks more sound in the blocking department with room to grow and use his body. Plus he seems like a team guy, at least I havent found any negative stuff on him.
Im okay with it. After we chose Allen in the first, it was obvious that we werent gonna get a top tier TE (Hockenson or Fant), and Oliver can catch a ball and has the tools to be an average blocker for the position (on paper). Good enough for me.
I heard the same take for the warring kid that the Texans picked up. Warring is apparently highly skilled in the receiving game but lacking in the black game significantly. Oliver may not be the receiving TE that Warring is, but he makes up for by being a better blocker and overall more balanced.
Watching the film he looks better than any other TE we already have....
with the ability to catch the dang ball.
Oliver fits a need that we lack. Foles and Flip will be using the TE position damn near religiously in this system.
Oliver has that pass catching ability and wiggle you want out of a player at his size. Koyack and O'Shaugnessy are also still on the roster and they picked up Swain from Dallas.
This is a good mix of guys that will get some work. We wanted Hockenson, some of us did, but taking Allen was a must. The fact that they still landed Taylor at RT along with Oliver at TE pretty much fills that need we missed by passing on Hockenson.
NFL.com had him as a 5th RD pick. But we all saw the run at the position. And teams take guys they love when they want to. I can live with it.
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Not exactly the TE I was expecting or wanting, but happy with the pick.
I was certainly expecting them to go for a stronger blocker like Knox, but in many ways I'm delighted they've targetted someone who's strength is as a receiver, it shows the offense is evolving.
On that point I like that it seems the new OC seemed to have a lot of input on this pick, judging by the comments after.
Big, fast, great hands and a smart player, what's not to like?
(04-27-2019, 07:43 AM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]Watching the film he looks better than any other TE we already have....
with the ability to catch the dang ball.
In the few clips I've seen of the guy, he does look pretty good, especially at finding the ball and making the necessary adjustments to make the catch. And he ran a 4.63, so that's real good speed for a guy his size.
Scouting reports say he's not a good blocker. But I suppose if he was a good blocker, he'd be a first round pick.
(04-26-2019, 11:05 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Not impressed. Same ole, same ole with this franchise. Ignore TE until 3rd-7th rounds. Rinse and repeat. They'll never change just like this offense won't either.
You're either a very negative person, or you're just trolling. Neither of those is good.
Oliver was in the group of TE that I wanted in the 3rd so I'm glad we got him. I'm positive he will turn out to be a very good player for us.
(04-27-2019, 08:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 07:43 AM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]Watching the film he looks better than any other TE we already have....
with the ability to catch the dang ball.
In the few clips I've seen of the guy, he does look pretty good, especially at finding the ball and making the necessary adjustments to make the catch. And he ran a 4.63, so that's real good speed for a guy his size.
Scouting reports say he's not a good blocker. But I suppose if he was a good blocker, he'd be a first round pick.
(04-26-2019, 11:05 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Not impressed. Same ole, same ole with this franchise. Ignore TE until 3rd-7th rounds. Rinse and repeat. They'll never change just like this offense won't either.
You're either a very negative person, or you're just trolling. Neither of those is good.
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At 1st sight, player comp came to mind with Tony Gonzalez. Turns out, thats who he models his game after.
(04-26-2019, 11:05 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Not impressed. Same ole, same ole with this franchise. Ignore TE until 3rd-7th rounds. Rinse and repeat. They'll never change just like this offense won't either.
I know, right - 3rd round tight ends never work out....oh wait:
Travis Kelce - 3rd round
Jimmy Graham - 3rd round
Jason Witten - 3rd round
Jordan Reed - 3rd round
Jared Cook - 3rd round
Jermichael Finley - 3rd round
George Kittle - 5th round
Antonio Gates - undrafted
We could have taken TE in the 1st, but would have had to pass on Allen. We could have taken TE in the 2nd but wouldn't have been able to address OT by taking a player with a 1st round grade....
The players listed above all had some issue/negative coming out of college, or they would have been taken earlier. There are many many others that were taken 3rd round or later that had productive careers. From the highlights I've seen, Oliver looks like he'll be a good addition!
I think Oliver has a chance to be Foles' "go to" guy.
(04-27-2019, 08:16 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Not exactly the TE I was expecting or wanting, but happy with the pick.
I was certainly expecting them to go for a stronger blocker like Knox, but in many ways I'm delighted they've targetted someone who's strength is as a receiver, it shows the offense is evolving.
On that point I like that it seems the new OC seemed to have a lot of input on this pick, judging by the comments after.
Big, fast, great hands and a smart player, what's not to like?
This is my thought as well. I never expected us to draft a pure pass catching TE, it's refreshing. We might actually use the position now!
His athletic profile (good in the 40, split, and jumps, bad in 3 cone and shuttle) would suggest that he would be better served as a straight line seam busting type of TE and not a move TE. However, his lack of blocking prowess would suggest that you don't want him playing inline as much as you would like to have him be a chess piece move TE. Kind of confounding prospect IMO.
(04-27-2019, 12:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]His athletic profile (good in the 40, split, and jumps, bad in 3 cone and shuttle) would suggest that he would be better served as a straight line seam busting type of TE and not a move TE. However, his lack of blocking prowess would suggest that you don't want him playing inline as much as you would like to have him be a chess piece move TE. Kind of confounding prospect IMO.
I don't think anyone would watch him and say he's not a move TE though, he ran routes outwide more than almost every TE in the class
I honestly haven’t done much TE watching besides Hockenson, but Fant is considered a pass catcher that can’t really block and a first rounder. Oliver looks really fluid as a pass catcher, just doesn’t sound like a good blocker. Guess I’ll have to compare numbers but what does Fant have that Oliver doesn’t?
(04-27-2019, 12:59 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 12:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]His athletic profile (good in the 40, split, and jumps, bad in 3 cone and shuttle) would suggest that he would be better served as a straight line seam busting type of TE and not a move TE. However, his lack of blocking prowess would suggest that you don't want him playing inline as much as you would like to have him be a chess piece move TE. Kind of confounding prospect IMO.
I don't think anyone would watch him and say he's not a move TE though, he ran routes outwide more than almost every TE in the class
Well yeah, he doesn't block well so he has to be a move TE...the question is if he will be agile enough to separate from NFL caliber athletes in that role. We'll see...
(04-27-2019, 02:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 12:59 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone would watch him and say he's not a move TE though, he ran routes outwide more than almost every TE in the class
Well yeah, he doesn't block well so he has to be a move TE...the question is if he will be agile enough to separate from NFL caliber athletes in that role. We'll see...
route running >> 3 cone scores
(04-27-2019, 02:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 02:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Well yeah, he doesn't block well so he has to be a move TE...the question is if he will be agile enough to separate from NFL caliber athletes in that role. We'll see...
route running >> 3 cone scores
And I'm sure he looked good doing that against California-Davis, San Jose State, and Wyoming. But in lieu of seeing him face actual athletes it would be nice to see him score real nice on the drills that also hint at that possibility.
(04-26-2019, 10:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2019, 10:17 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He wasn't making it out of the 3rd
I have good information that we could've signed him as an UDFA. Caldwell is so bad.
Good information from??
(04-27-2019, 06:52 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2019, 10:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I have good information that we could've signed him as an UDFA. Caldwell is so bad.
Good information from??
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(04-26-2019, 10:17 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2019, 10:04 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]He was projected to be a 7th round pick. Think we could have gotten him later
He wasn't making it out of the 3rd
One of my favorite TEs in the class. Can do it all bar block but he's shown flashes there. Will have 400 yards as a rookie
There was a run happening on TEs. Had to go then, since he was their targeted guy. I don't have an issue with that. 5th, not 7th, is what I saw. But really, when you get to the 3rd round the starting caliber guys can go fast when a run on a thin position starts, regardless.
By the end of the 3rd, all the starting caliber guys were gone. They chose their guy instead of having to move back up into the 3rd to get leftovers (or settle for even worse later.)
After the third, teams drafted two 4ths, a 6th, and three 7ths. Doubt any will have the talent or chance to make an impact that Oliver does.