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Was Scobee, now Josh Allen and Josh Oliver lol

https://twitter.com/JoshLambo/status/112...16064?s=19

Between Lambo and Scobee, Jags have had 2 fantastic kicker personalities. Both of those guys are awesome.

Our 1st 3 picks will all be Pro Bowlers

Getting a TE prior to the 5th was pretty much a given in this draft.
Oliver was definitely on the short list of guys that would be considered after the first two rounds.

I think this pick was HEAVILY influenced by DeFilippo and it will be beneficial to Foles and the playbook they intend to operate.

Oliver has a relationship with DeFilippo via SJS and the coaching staff there. Oliver says in that conference call with local media that the Jags have big expectations for the TE position in the new system. Says DeFilippo intends to move the tight ends around a lot.

Ourlads, in their annual draft guide book, projected Josh Oliver going to the Browns with pick #80 in Round 3. They ranked Oliver as the 6th best TE in the 2019 Draft.

(04-28-2019, 11:31 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Was Scobee, now Josh Allen and Josh Oliver lol

https://twitter.com/JoshLambo/status/112...16064?s=19

They should do some funny super hero comic (like that animated show Prostars in the 90's) or band thing together where they call themselves "The Josh" and show it during the game.

I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

I'd be surprised at any rookie tight end taken at any point in the draft having 600-800 yards.

(05-01-2019, 08:25 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

I'd be surprised at any rookie tight end taken at any point in the draft having 600-800 yards.

I agree, but it has been done a number of times. 

 Given DeFilippo's stated intentions for the TE position, I'd say the rookie may be able to rack up 500+ yds and 4 or 5 TDs.  Which will be good for a rookie.  I wouldn't be shocked if the kid gets 60-80 targets in his rookie year.  (for perspective, Westbrook had 101 targets last year)

Whether he produces or not remains to be seen, but I bet he gets the opportunity.

(05-01-2019, 08:25 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

I'd be surprised at any rookie tight end taken at any point in the draft having 600-800 yards.

I think Hockenson get at least 600 yrds

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

Do you realize how rare that actually is? There have only been 6 rookie TEs who have gotten more than 700 yards in a season.... ever. 4 of those were before 1990 and 3 were before 1975.

Evan Engram dropped 722 in 2017 and I think that was the season Beckham broke his ankle and missed a ton of time.

I'm not saying it can't happen but to say you wouldn't be surprised by someone doing something only 6 people in the history of the NFL have done seems like a reach.

(04-26-2019, 10:51 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]For what it's worth, I watched a video on him on NFL's website and they projected him to be drafted in the 7th round. Maybe the video was made several months ago, and his stock rose. But it is what they are currently showing as a bio video of him. I still think 3rd round is a little early.

At the end of the season come back and tell us if you still think he was drafted too early.  Only then will we know if he should have been a seventh or third-round pick.

(05-01-2019, 08:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

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Evan Engram dropped 722 in 2017 and I think that was the season Beckham broke his ankle and missed a ton of time.
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One important thing to note here is that the targets weighed heavily in that result. 
Engram had 115 targets that year. 
 Almost identical to Ertz' avg targets over the past two season. It's a very high number for a TE.

We'll see how many Oliver earns, but I'd not be surprised if he is pushing 80 tgts as the primary move TE in the playbook we anticipate. Should give him a chance at some impressive numbers (even if it doesn't meet the mark proposed by sfljf)

(05-01-2019, 08:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 08:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]...

Evan Engram dropped 722 in 2017 and I think that was the season Beckham broke his ankle and missed a ton of time.
...

One important thing to note here is that the targets weighed heavily in that result. 
Engram had 115 targets that year. 
 Almost identical to Ertz' avg targets over the past two season. It's a very high number for a TE.

We'll see how many Oliver earns, but I'd not be surprised if he is pushing 80 tgts as the primary move TE in the playbook we anticipate. Should give him a chance at some impressive numbers (even if it doesn't meet the mark proposed by sfljf)

I think Oliver is going to be pretty good but I just don't see him having 700 yards as a rookie. 700 yards would have put him at TE #6 in yards.... Ahead of Gronk. Let's also not forget that his biggest weakness right now is blocking and if there's one thing this staff loves, it's blocking. From all positions.

If Marrone and Coughlin can completely change their mentality (which I'm hoping), to allow more TE movement, then he has a shot.

(05-01-2019, 08:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 07:38 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I like this pick, I think Dave nailed the first three picks dead on (now that 4th pick... Hmmm, we'll see). I think we'll use the HELL out of this guy this year. I wouldn't be suprised if he puts up great #s for a rookie TE. I think we try him in a Ertz-esque role.

He seems to have the hands for it, we'll see if he can adjust and get open regularly in the NFL though. I wouldn't be suprised if he gets a good amount of looks (for a rook) the first few games and depending on what he does with them, will depend on if it continues or increases - but if he does well early don't be suprised if this kid has 600-800+and yards this season.

Do you realize how rare that actually is? There have only been 6 rookie TEs who have gotten more than 700 yards in a season.... ever. 4 of those were before 1990 and 3 were before 1975.

Evan Engram dropped 722 in 2017 and I think that was the season Beckham broke his ankle and missed a ton of time.

I'm not saying it can't happen but to say you wouldn't be surprised by someone doing something only 6 people in the history of the NFL have done seems like a reach.

I don't think they get it...  Maybe this link works (I've never posted one): http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...ate-impact

In case it doesn't, I'll quote the most important part: "Over the past 15 years, only two rookie tight ends have produced more than 600 yards receiving. The Giants’ Evan Engram totaled 722 yards receiving last season, and John Carlson recorded 627 with the Seahawks in 2008."

And this in an age where passing offenses are exploding.

(05-01-2019, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 08:25 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be surprised at any rookie tight end taken at any point in the draft having 600-800 yards.

I think Hockenson get at least 600 yrds

Not in Detroit. Stafford has NO IDEA how to utilize a tight end. The last tight end they drafted in the top 10 (Eric Ebron) looked like a bust until last year when he broke out with the colts for more TD's last year than he scored in his entire career with the Lions combined. 

I like Hock and hope he does well, I just don't see it happening.

(05-01-2019, 12:09 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think Hockenson get at least 600 yrds

Not in Detroit. Stafford has NO IDEA how to utilize a tight end. The last tight end they drafted in the top 10 (Eric Ebron) looked like a bust until last year when he broke out with the colts for more TD's last year than he scored in his entire career with the Lions combined. 

I like Hock and hope he does well, I just don't see it happening.

Different coaches, schemes and even front office

(05-01-2019, 08:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 08:25 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be surprised at any rookie tight end taken at any point in the draft having 600-800 yards.

I think Hockenson get at least 600 yrds

Ability wise he's more than capable.  So much probably will come down to opportunities as a receiver.

(05-01-2019, 12:27 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2019, 12:09 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Not in Detroit. Stafford has NO IDEA how to utilize a tight end. The last tight end they drafted in the top 10 (Eric Ebron) looked like a bust until last year when he broke out with the colts for more TD's last year than he scored in his entire career with the Lions combined. 

I like Hock and hope he does well, I just don't see it happening.

Different coaches, schemes and even front office

 In addition, Eric Ebron was amongst the TE leaders in dropped passes.  


 From a maturity standpoint, T.J. Hockenson comes across being more mature than Ebron now despite their age and experience difference.   It's fair to say that Ebron isn't a Tom Coughin type of player.

In today's NFL I'm so sick of people talking about TE blocking skills.  If this dude can ran routes with decent speed and precision and catch the football, it's better than having a blocking TE because he is essentially taking a LB out of the box and potentially taking a safety out of the box as well.  The fact that our offense was so predictable as I recall a stat of the Jags running the ball 100% of the time when a certain TE is in the game, was mind blowing.  Spreading the offense will have a trickle down effect on the more open holes Fournette will experience.