(10-21-2019, 09:22 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2019, 09:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Reading comprehension. It's that thing you never bothered learning because you were too busy trying to sound smart. Is that you, Gene?
Irony...
So you just post stupid stuff without reason? Ok lol
Speaking of irony...
(10-21-2019, 09:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]......
X 1000
(10-21-2019, 10:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2019, 09:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Ravens get:
DE Yannick Ngakoue
Conditional 2021 third-round pick if Stanley's rights are held by the Jaguars on the first day of the 2021 league year
Jaguars get:
OT Ronnie Stanley
2020 first-round pick
I'd be good with something structured like this. Not that the Ravens would let their budding stud LT go, but if they were crazy enough to do so, I'd take this deal in a heartbeat. We get a LT and a first, the Ravens get a DE and the equivalent to the compensatory pick they would have gotten if Stanley had walked on his own.
No team in their right mind is gonna get rid of a young star LT, unless they are intentionally tanking the season (Miami.)
But if they really wanted to...
Jeez, it's not like I expect this to happen, but if the Ravens really want to give up Stanley and a one for Ngakoue and a three, hell yes I'm all over that.
It has to be higher than a 3rd they should get in compensation if he signs somewhere else.
If they don't think they will resign him, it would make sense to trade him. It also would signal the end of the season though, so I doubt they want to do that.
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(10-21-2019, 11:40 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2019, 10:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No team in their right mind is gonna get rid of a young star LT, unless they are intentionally tanking the season (Miami.)
But if they really wanted to...
Jeez, it's not like I expect this to happen, but if the Ravens really want to give up Stanley and a one for Ngakoue and a three, hell yes I'm all over that.
I'd probably do that as well, since really good LT's are as rare as getting dealt a royal flush. I just know Baltimore would never do such a deal. Heck, I'd do just about any deal that would land us a franchise LT.
Just wondering if any of you remember the times Yannick Ngakoue has gone up against Ronnie Stanley.
(10-22-2019, 12:33 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering if any of you remember the times Yannick Ngakoue has gone up against Ronnie Stanley.
Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
(10-22-2019, 12:46 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 12:33 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering if any of you remember the times Yannick Ngakoue has gone up against Ronnie Stanley.
Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
Stop.
Boselli had three matchups against Bruce Smith.
He lost one-the last one in 1998, when the Jaguars were down to their 5th RB due to injury. Je gave up one sack.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...280buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...140buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...180buf.htm
Ronnie Stanley is no Boselli. Not even close!
(10-22-2019, 12:46 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 12:33 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering if any of you remember the times Yannick Ngakoue has gone up against Ronnie Stanley.
Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
And I'm pretty sure that's Bullseye's entire point... People think of Stanley as one of the best young LTs in the league, yet Ngakoue has gotten the better of him..
Basically saying... You NEVER trade away your young great players when they're just now going into their physical prime and are a huge building block going forward.. Which is exactly what Ngakoue is.
(10-22-2019, 01:18 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 12:46 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
And I'm pretty sure that's Bullseye's entire point... People think of Stanley as one of the best young LTs in the league, yet Ngakoue has gotten the better of him..
Basically saying... You NEVER trade away your young great players when they're just now going into their physical prime and are a huge building block going forward.. Which is exactly what Ngakoue is.
This too.
(10-22-2019, 01:17 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 12:46 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
Stop.
Boselli had three matchups against Bruce Smith.
He lost one-the last one in 1998, when the Jaguars were down to their 5th RB due to injury. Je gave up one sack.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...280buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...140buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...180buf.htm
Ronnie Stanley is no Boselli. Not even close!
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I never said Ronnie Stanley was Tony Boselli or anything close to him. Stanley is merely one of the better LT's in the NFL today. Boselli was the GOAT. I'm just saying everyone has off days and can face that one guy or two that can get the best of you, but as long as you remain consistent throughout the season, that's all that matters.
(10-22-2019, 01:18 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 12:46 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ronnie Stanley may lose some match ups to Ngakoue, but as a whole, he is one of the best LT's in the NFL. Tony Boselli was the best LT of all time IMO. In 7 seasons as a Jaguar, he gave up only 15.5 sacks, but I remember when he lost some match ups with Bruce Smith. That doesn't make him any any less of a phenom. Sometimes you go up against really good opponents and they get the better of you. As long as you are consistently good, that's all that matters and Stanley is consistently good.
And I'm pretty sure that's Bullseye's entire point... People think of Stanley as one of the best young LTs in the league, yet Ngakoue has gotten the better of him..
Basically saying... You NEVER trade away your young great players when they're just now going into their physical prime and are a huge building block going forward.. Which is exactly what Ngakoue is.
I would consider Stanley as the same kind of building block and just as valuable, just at another position. I don't wanna trade Ngakoue, but if you dangle one of the best young LT's in the NFL in front of me, I'd be very tempted to make a deal, since that is a particular area of weakness for us.
(10-22-2019, 01:47 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 01:17 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Stop.
Boselli had three matchups against Bruce Smith.
He lost one-the last one in 1998, when the Jaguars were down to their 5th RB due to injury. Je gave up one sack.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...280buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...140buf.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...180buf.htm
Ronnie Stanley is no Boselli. Not even close!
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I never said Ronnie Stanley was Tony Boselli or anything close to him. Stanley is merely one of the better LT's in the NFL today. Boselli was the GOAT. I'm just saying everyone has off days and can face that one guy or two that can get the best of you, but as long as you remain consistent throughout the season, that's all that matters.
(10-22-2019, 01:18 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm pretty sure that's Bullseye's entire point... People think of Stanley as one of the best young LTs in the league, yet Ngakoue has gotten the better of him..
Basically saying... You NEVER trade away your young great players when they're just now going into their physical prime and are a huge building block going forward.. Which is exactly what Ngakoue is.
I would consider Stanley as the same kind of building block and just as valuable, just at another position. I don't wanna trade Ngakoue, but if you dangle one of the best young LT's in the NFL in front of me, I'd be very tempted to make a deal, since that is a particular area of weakness for us.
I'm glad you clarified the Boselli stance.
I kinda lost it when you brought Boselli into the conversation, even though you weren't making a comparison. LOL
I'm just not a huge Ronnie Stanley fan, and we have a guy at a premium position in Yannick Ngakoue who abused him who remains unsigned.
These players are not just chess pieces. They are real human beings, and you can't just trade them willy-nilly without affecting team morale. Jalen Ramsey was a different situation, but to trade away good young players like Ngakoue? For what purpose? I don't get it.
(10-22-2019, 06:48 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]These players are not just chess pieces. They are real human beings, and you can't just trade them willy-nilly without affecting team morale. Jalen Ramsey was a different situation, but to trade away good young players like Ngakoue? For what purpose? I don't get it.
It guarantees we will be mediocre at best, that's the purpose.
(10-22-2019, 07:41 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2019, 06:48 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]These players are not just chess pieces. They are real human beings, and you can't just trade them willy-nilly without affecting team morale. Jalen Ramsey was a different situation, but to trade away good young players like Ngakoue? For what purpose? I don't get it.
It guarantees we will be mediocre at best, that's the purpose.
Yeah we need less distractions about potential trades. We Just have to be locked in on winning the next game against the Jets.
Forget about trading Yannick. Sign him to a new deal ASAP. Pass rushers like him don't grow on trees and he may have been their best draft pick ever as far as value (3rd round) is concerned.
I do not foresee this organization letting Yann out the door in any way , shape, or form. At this point they will even pay a little more or offer a longer deal than they wanted to. Especially considering that they have him so inexpensively this year. He will get paid and the Jags will be the ones that do it. It will be e very wise decision because he is the epitome of a prime example of what you want your players to be.
If Mike Ditka was in Baltimore and offered up a Ricky Williams type trade you all know you'd take it.