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(10-22-2019, 09:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]If Mike Ditka was in Baltimore and offered up a Ricky Williams type trade you all know you'd take it.

There's a price for everything. 

No one is offering 7 draft picks (including two firsts) for Ngakoue though.

(10-22-2019, 09:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2019, 09:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]If Mike Ditka was in Baltimore and offered up a Ricky Williams type trade you all know you'd take it.

There's a price for everything. 

No one is offering 7 draft picks (including two firsts) for Ngakoue though.

I was just speaking hypothetically since Conklin's name got thrown around here. Kind of how Ngakoue has tossed Conklin around in head-to-head match-up's. . .

(10-22-2019, 06:48 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]These players are not just chess pieces.  They are real human beings, and you can't just trade them willy-nilly without affecting team morale.  Jalen Ramsey was a different situation, but to trade away good young players like Ngakoue?  For what purpose?  I don't get it.

Precisely

Nope. Don't trade him. He's is better than a lot of people are making him out to be. He needs to be re-signed.

I would take a first and Mark Andrews from the Ravens.
Yan is special, but if we're being honest with or without Foles at this point, we're not a SB team. So this season is about feeling good finishing 8-8, 9-7 at best.
Another first for 2020 goes a long way and Mark Andrews at TE would give us a solid young duo at TE for a long time.
Yan still needs to get paid and we could be in for the tag dance this off season.

We have Josh Allen who gets better every week and Bryan is finally starting to come along as well as Smoot.
There are a couple pass rushers, #1 CBs, and OL guys we could be getting with all this first round ammo.

Probably not a popular opinion, but that's my take on it. A first plus (established TE or another high round pick: round 2 2020 or another 1st from 2021) and I'd probably pull the trigger.

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(10-22-2019, 06:48 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]These players are not just chess pieces.  

*ahem*

Yes they are.

Football is a game.
The field is the board.
The coaches (and front office) are the players of the chess game.

And you aren't trading them "willy nilly" if you gain more than you lose (multiple picks vs a guy who may or may not be here in 2 seasons)
He still can flat out reject any contract offered. And then we're doing the tag dance, and perhaps losing him later anyway.

Before I get flamed, I love Yannick, have defended him against those who say he is over rated or doesn't get home enough or whatever BS they got.
He's good. But if you get multiple picks or multiple building blocks for a better tomorrow, you at least consider it.

I would not trade him for a first alone.
I would not trade him for 2 2nds and a 4th or some sillyness.

But a first plus (or anything close to the Ramsey deal)
done.

(10-21-2019, 09:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]......

Trade everyone! 53 picks coming up! 

We can activate the Roar.

(10-22-2019, 10:31 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2019, 09:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]......

Trade everyone! 53 picks coming up! 

We can activate the Roar.

(10-22-2019, 10:31 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2019, 09:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]......

Trade everyone! 53 picks coming up! 

We can activate the Roar.

Sometimes the Roar activates me.

As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

(10-22-2019, 11:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

"defender"  LOL

You also appear to take what you want from others' posts rather than what's actually being said if you believe the above. 

There is a very wide range of opinion expressed here about Ngakoue and I'd challenge you to find three posters who have actually flip-flopped to the degree that you assert above. 

Also - your assertion that the one play you've disingenuously described being THE reason for a shift in perception is completely laughable  - and unfortunately very typical of your weak attempts to insult the fanbase represented here.

(10-22-2019, 11:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

Whereas you you are steadfastly negative no matter whether you are wrong or right...no matter what your username...about anything Jaguars related.  

I commend you on your consistency.

(10-22-2019, 11:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

So what? Good players are SUPPOSED to take advantage of bad teams with bad players. What was he supposed to do there? Play hot potato and let it hit the ground? And as far as them being the worst team in the NFL? 

The J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets are looking at you like:



I hope Yannick has a career day against them this Sunday. Who in their right mind wouldn't? Oh wait... where's that Ihaunting Ghosts dude at?

If theyu're willing to give us 2 first rounders and a TE, sure. Otherwise, they can go away.

(10-22-2019, 11:33 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2019, 11:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

Whereas you you are steadfastly negative no matter whether you are wrong or right...no matter what your username...about anything Jaguars related.  

I commend you on your consistency.

Nope I am just unbiased. I'll call good what is good, and what is bad bad. I defended guys like Arob, Parnell, and Abry Jones when they were getting bashed. Unfortunately, when we've been on record setting streaks for top 10 picks and such...lots of what's real is indeed negative.

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(10-22-2019, 11:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2019, 11:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As one of the constant Yannick defenders around here, I will say that it is funny that he goes from not being nearly worth his contract demands and should have taken what the team offered to an untouchable pillar of the team again simply because of a telegraphed, game script pick six against quite possibly the worst team in the league. So wishy washy.

"defender"  LOL

You also appear to take what you want from others' posts rather than what's actually being said if you believe the above. 

There is a very wide range of opinion expressed here about Ngakoue and I'd challenge you to find three posters who have actually flip-flopped to the degree that you assert above. 

Also - your assertion that the one play you've disingenuously described being THE reason for a shift in perception is completely laughable  - and unfortunately very typical of your weak attempts to insult the fanbase represented here.

Dude the entire season has been a litany of "should have taken our contract offer, he's cost himself big time" and "should have kept Fowler instead". There has even been some let Yan walk and give SMOOT a second contract.

(10-22-2019, 01:57 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2019, 11:33 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Whereas you you are steadfastly negative no matter whether you are wrong or right...no matter what your username...about anything Jaguars related.  

I commend you on your consistency.

Nope I am just unbiased. I'll call good what is good, and what is bad bad. I defended guys like Arob, Parnell, and Abry Jones when they were getting bashed. Unfortunately, when we've been on record setting streaks for top 10 picks and such...lots of what's real is indeed negative.

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(10-22-2019, 11:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"defender"  LOL

You also appear to take what you want from others' posts rather than what's actually being said if you believe the above. 

There is a very wide range of opinion expressed here about Ngakoue and I'd challenge you to find three posters who have actually flip-flopped to the degree that you assert above. 

Also - your assertion that the one play you've disingenuously described being THE reason for a shift in perception is completely laughable  - and unfortunately very typical of your weak attempts to insult the fanbase represented here.

Dude the entire season has been a litany of "should have taken our contract offer, he's cost himself big time" and "should have kept Fowler instead". There has even been some let Yan walk and give SMOOT a second contract.

a.  you are exaggerating this "litany" as it is merely a portion of the fanbase as many conceded he was playing through injury and should improve back to his prior norm

b. this argument is a big backpedal from your prior assertion. 


 Maybe if you toned down the hyperbole and stopped posting inaccurate absolutes you wouldn't come off as so willfully oblivious to the spectrum of opinions represented here

I'm not backpedaling anything. I guarantee if this rumor about Yannick had come up before Sunday the responses in this post would have been completely different than they are.

(10-22-2019, 02:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not backpedaling anything. I guarantee if this rumor about Yannick had come up before Sunday the responses in this post would have been completely different than they are.

Yeah, unfortunately you can't guarantee [BLEEP] because you are talking out of your [BLEEP]. 

You are just sweeping under the rug dozens and dozens of posts by members that have maintained a level headed view of the Ngakoue situation so you can further some stupid negative narrative. 

Carry on.
 Done wasting my time...

(10-22-2019, 10:25 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I would take a first and Mark Andrews from the Ravens.
Yan is special, but if we're being honest with or without Foles at this point, we're not a SB team. So this season is about feeling good finishing 8-8, 9-7 at best.
Another first for 2020 goes a long way and Mark Andrews at TE would give us a solid young duo at TE for a long time.
Yan still needs to get paid and we could be in for the tag dance this off season.

We have Josh Allen who gets better every week and Bryan is finally starting to come along as well as Smoot.
There are a couple pass rushers, #1 CBs, and OL guys we could be getting with all this first round ammo.

Probably not a popular opinion, but that's my take on it. A first plus (established TE or another high round pick: round 2 2020 or another 1st from 2021) and I'd probably pull the trigger.

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Nope. I would've done that deal for Ramsey, had the Rams not come up with a better offer, but not in this case. Ramsey already had both feet out the door, so a deal was imminent. With Yannick, I still have hope he can be re-signed. He's not being a distraction and he's not faking an injury. He's out there playing and let's be honest, Calais Campbell is not gonna play forever. The only deal any team can make at this point that could make me think twice is a deal like the one we got for Ramsey or a deal that includes a stud LT. Anything else, I wouldn't even consider. Personally, I believe the whole saga will be taken care of in the off season. I believe Ngakoue will be extended.

(10-22-2019, 01:57 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2019, 11:33 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Whereas you you are steadfastly negative no matter whether you are wrong or right...no matter what your username...about anything Jaguars related.  

I commend you on your consistency.

Nope I am just unbiased. I'll call good what is good, and what is bad bad. I defended guys like Arob, Parnell, and Abry Jones when they were getting bashed. Unfortunately, when we've been on record setting streaks for top 10 picks and such...lots of what's real is indeed negative.

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(10-22-2019, 11:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]"defender"  LOL

You also appear to take what you want from others' posts rather than what's actually being said if you believe the above. 

There is a very wide range of opinion expressed here about Ngakoue and I'd challenge you to find three posters who have actually flip-flopped to the degree that you assert above. 

Also - your assertion that the one play you've disingenuously described being THE reason for a shift in perception is completely laughable  - and unfortunately very typical of your weak attempts to insult the fanbase represented here.

Dude the entire season has been a litany of "should have taken our contract offer, he's cost himself big time" and "should have kept Fowler instead". There has even been some let Yan walk and give SMOOT a second contract.

You're an intelligent poster and I like a lot of your reasoning but I'm not sure if a more biased guy exist on this whole forum.

(10-22-2019, 02:37 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]You're an intelligent poster and I like a lot of your reasoning but I'm not sure if a more biased guy exist on this whole forum.

I can understand how lack of bias would look like bias when it's floating in a sea of bias.