For those Jaguars history buffs I wanted to put this out there as well:
Quote: Bills Trade Picks for QB Johnson
FEB. 14, 1998
12 AM
The Buffalo Bills, who have been searching for a bona-fide quarterback since the departure of Jim Kelly after the 1996 season, completed their trade for former USC quarterback Rob Johnson on Friday.
The Bills acquired Johnson from the Jacksonville Jaguars for their first-round pick--the ninth overall--and their fourth-round selection in the upcoming draft.
Johnson, a fourth-round draft choice in 1995, emerged as a valuable commodity after filling in for injured Mark Brunell at the start of the 1997 season.
The Jaguars reportedly plan to offer the first-round choice from Buffalo and their own first-round selection (25th overall) in an effort to move up and draft Heisman Trophy winner Charles Woodson of Michigan.
Jacksonville Coach Tom Coughlin is very interested in Woodson and is close to hiring Vance Bedford, Woodson’s position coach at Michigan, to be the Jaguars’ new secondary coach.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-...story.html
We didn’t get Woodson, but we ended up with Fred Taylor and Tavian Banks with the 1st and 4th round picks. We also crippled another AFC competitor with a big cap hit and poor QB play
if someone inquired at the end of the year requesting a #1 and Foles actually turned out the be the real deal, I believe you have to make that trade. Did someone say “Rob Johnson”
(10-29-2019, 02:28 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Before anyone gets bent out of shape this is just a FUN THREAD since today is the trade deadline.
What would it take for you to consider trading Minshew either today or in the offseason?
Fun thread or not .....you need to step away from the keyboard Sir.
(10-29-2019, 05:18 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 03:08 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]If I’m the GM, Minshew is untouchable.
Yes, untouchable. Because there is a solid chance that he is what GMs spend a dozen high picks looking for and still fail to find.
I’m dead serious.
This!! /\/\/\
(10-29-2019, 06:29 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody talks about that cheap 6th round contract, but can you really pay the NFL's best QB only $678k per year? He has already outplayed his rookie contract 5x over. Gardner Jorts of the 42 Wonderlic is gonna catch onto the fact that he's outplaying guys making 30x more.
I've thought about this a lot and every time I've watched him play. I would certainly hope that the Big 'Stache finds it in his heart to give the Magic 'Stache something beyond that pittance. He more than deserves it for what he's brought to the Jaguars. He's even drawing other teams fans to the Jaguars.
You can't buy ...the kind of publicity that GMII has brought.
I mean that's probably not even the cost of filling the tanks up on
Kismet a few times....
which by the way rents for $1,200,000 million A WEEK.
Nothing fun about trading Minshew. In 3 years Foles will be retiring and Minshew would be the league MVP for someone.
(10-29-2019, 06:29 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody talks about that cheap 6th round contract, but can you really pay the NFL's best QB only $678k per year? He has already outplayed his rookie contract 5x over. Gardner Jorts of the 42 Wonderlic is gonna catch onto the fact that he's outplaying guys making 30x more.
By rule, we cannot give him a new contract until after year 3.
I’m sure he can pick up some endorsements, though.
JagsFansince1995Whichever QB wins the SB this year in a swap.
so basically you are proposing a Michew for Michew trade.
(10-30-2019, 05:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 06:29 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody talks about that cheap 6th round contract, but can you really pay the NFL's best QB only $678k per year? He has already outplayed his rookie contract 5x over. Gardner Jorts of the 42 Wonderlic is gonna catch onto the fact that he's outplaying guys making 30x more.
By rule, we cannot give him a new contract until after year 3.
I’m sure he can pick up some endorsements, though.
By then, hopefully, he will have earned the biggest contract in franchise history and they will deliver it in an armored car in straight cash if that's how he wants it.
We get:
Three first-round picks
Additional conditional picks based on the first-rounders: if any of those first-rounders fall outside the top ten picks, the team Minshew was traded to will send a third-round pick that year. If they fall outside of the top 15, second and fourth-round picks that year will be sent instead
A starting-caliber TE
Two starting-caliber offensive linemen
$20M in salary cap considerations (kind of like trading for cash in MLB...not sure this is even allowed but w/e)
They get:
Gardner Minshew II...but he has to shave his mustache and leave it in the locker room so we keep the mojo alive for Foles
In summary: no way in hell do I trade Minshew right now. Not unless someone is willing to literally mortgage their franchise for him.
I want full ownership of the thumbtacks, clots, and tinhorns. At that point, I'm pretty certain I can guarantee an iron grip on the division for the rest of our lifetimes.
“Trade Gardner Minshew”..... does not compute... shutting down....
Redskins give us Dwayne Haskins and their 6th round pick (Kelvin Harmon - WR NC State) in exchange for the Jags giving them Minshew and our 1st round pick (Josh Allen - OLB Kentucky).
In all reality, does anyone know if the GM has complete authority to finalize trades or does it vary from team to team? I mean, say Caldwell wanted to screw the Jags (and go to the Redskins). Could he pull off that trade with no other approvals form within the Front Office or does Coughlin and/or Khan legally need to sign off as well? What about other teams such as the Patriots -- Does Belichik have complete authority to make deals? I don't think that is the case since Belichik was against the Garrapalo trade. Must be the Owner that needs to sign off on all trades ?????
(10-30-2019, 09:57 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Redskins give us Dwayne Haskins and their 6th round pick (Kelvin Harmon - WR NC State) in exchange for the Jags giving them Minshew and our 1st round pick (Josh Allen - OLB Kentucky).
In all reality, does anyone know if the GM has complete authority to finalize trades or does it vary from team to team? I mean, say Caldwell wanted to screw the Jags (and go to the Redskins). Could he pull off that trade with no other approvals form within the Front Office or does Coughlin and/or Khan legally need to sign off as well? What about other teams such as the Patriots -- Does Belichik have complete authority to make deals? I don't think that is the case since Belichik was against the Garrapalo trade. Must be the Owner that needs to sign off on all trades ?????
Coughlin has final say, but it's safe to assume that a trade of that nature would go to Khan's desk first.
(10-30-2019, 09:57 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Redskins give us Dwayne Haskins and their 6th round pick (Kelvin Harmon - WR NC State) in exchange for the Jags giving them Minshew and our 1st round pick (Josh Allen - OLB Kentucky).
In all reality, does anyone know if the GM has complete authority to finalize trades or does it vary from team to team? I mean, say Caldwell wanted to screw the Jags (and go to the Redskins). Could he pull off that trade with no other approvals form within the Front Office or does Coughlin and/or Khan legally need to sign off as well? What about other teams such as the Patriots -- Does Belichik have complete authority to make deals? I don't think that is the case since Belichik was against the Garrapalo trade. Must be the Owner that needs to sign off on all trades ?????
There's at least one person on here that would trade Minshew for Haskins straight up. He hasnt seen enough from Minshew but thinks Haskins is going to be the guy
I guess this thread is better than discussing draft prospects....
I guess.
(10-30-2019, 10:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 09:57 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Redskins give us Dwayne Haskins and their 6th round pick (Kelvin Harmon - WR NC State) in exchange for the Jags giving them Minshew and our 1st round pick (Josh Allen - OLB Kentucky).
In all reality, does anyone know if the GM has complete authority to finalize trades or does it vary from team to team?
...
There's at least one person on here that would trade Minshew for Haskins straight up.
70% of the board would have made that trade in August.
RE: the GM authority question -
If the GM proposed a trade, it would have to be approved by TC and ostensibly by ownership since Tony is very hands on with the f.o.
I'd trade Minshew for Patrick Mahomes straight up.
(10-30-2019, 11:02 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]I'd trade Minshew for Patrick Mahomes straight up.
Ugh...
yeah... I mean... sure... I guess.
I still wouldn't like it though
Would trade Minshew for Aaron Donald straight up. Would have the best dline ever and let Foles lead us to our first SB
(10-30-2019, 11:04 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 11:02 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]I'd trade Minshew for Patrick Mahomes straight up.
Ugh...
yeah... I mean... sure... I guess.
I still wouldn't like it though
Mahomes has no personality compared to Minshew... it's like Gardner was made for Jacksonville.