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(10-30-2019, 08:58 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]We get:
Three first-round picks
Additional conditional picks based on the first-rounders: if any of those first-rounders fall outside the top ten picks, the team Minshew was traded to will send a third-round pick that year. If they fall outside of the top 15, second and fourth-round picks that year will be sent instead
A starting-caliber TE
Two starting-caliber offensive linemen
$20M in salary cap considerations (kind of like trading for cash in MLB...not sure this is even allowed but w/e)

They get:
Gardner Minshew II...but he has to shave his mustache and leave it in the locker room so we keep the mojo alive for Foles

In summary: no way in hell do I trade Minshew right now. Not unless someone is willing to literally mortgage their franchise for him.

That's the only deal I would definitely take for Minshew at this point in time.

(10-30-2019, 08:58 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]We get:
Three first-round picks
Additional conditional picks based on the first-rounders: if any of those first-rounders fall outside the top ten picks, the team Minshew was traded to will send a third-round pick that year. If they fall outside of the top 15, second and fourth-round picks that year will be sent instead
A starting-caliber TE
Two starting-caliber offensive linemen
$20M in salary cap considerations (kind of like trading for cash in MLB...not sure this is even allowed but w/e)

They get:
Gardner Minshew II...but he has to shave his mustache and leave it in the locker room so we keep the mojo alive for Foles

In summary: no way in hell do I trade Minshew right now. Not unless someone is willing to literally mortgage their franchise for him.

+1 

As for the bolded part;

I think people need to put down the peace crack pipe and think about this.....for the first time in forever we have two solid quarterbacks at our disposal. And it was an accident. An improbability of epic proportions. Why in the actual hell would we give that up? 

Yeah they both have their pros and cons, but man this is a good 'problem' to have!

Everybody has their price.
There's a price for Minshew, and a price for Foles.
I think we can all agree that the price for Foles is much lower.
Now that we have seen Minshew play, and keeping in mind that we get him on a sixth round salary for the next three years, a team would not have to offer us nearly as much to get Foles.

(10-30-2019, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody has their price.
There's a price for Minshew, and a price for Foles.
I think we can all agree that the price for Foles is much lower.
Now that we have seen Minshew play, and keeping in mind that we get him on a sixth round salary for the next three years, a team would not have to offer us nearly as much to get Foles.

The price for Foles will be something like the recent Talib trade

(10-30-2019, 12:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody has their price.
There's a price for Minshew, and a price for Foles.
I think we can all agree that the price for Foles is much lower.
Now that we have seen Minshew play, and keeping in mind that we get him on a sixth round salary for the next three years, a team would not have to offer us nearly as much to get Foles.

The price for Foles will be something like the recent Talib trade

This. Trading Foles would nuke our cap next year. I get why people are trying to move him, but he's realistically a Jaguar until 2021. What happens in 2021, if Minshew pans out, is anyone's guess.

(10-30-2019, 01:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 12:24 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]The price for Foles will be something like the recent Talib trade

This. Trading Foles would nuke our cap next year. I get why people are trying to move him, but he's realistically a Jaguar until 2021. What happens in 2021, if Minshew pans out, is anyone's guess.

Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

(10-30-2019, 02:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 01:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]This. Trading Foles would nuke our cap next year. I get why people are trying to move him, but he's realistically a Jaguar until 2021. What happens in 2021, if Minshew pans out, is anyone's guess.

Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

Or we just pay the best backup QB in the NFL starter money for a year because we can't extend our sixth-round starter making sixth-round money until after his third year anyway. Seriously. We have two good QBs. Can't we just enjoy that for a while instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of a guy who costs us more if he plays for someone else than if he plays for us?

(10-30-2019, 02:52 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 02:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

Or we just pay the best backup QB in the NFL starter money for a year because we can't extend our sixth-round starter making sixth-round money until after his third year anyway. Seriously. We have two good QBs. Can't we just enjoy that for a while instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of a guy who costs us more if he plays for someone else than if he plays for us?

At least Foles isn’t making $35+ million

(10-30-2019, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody has their price.
There's a price for Minshew, and a price for Foles.
I think we can all agree that the price for Foles is much lower.
Now that we have seen Minshew play, and keeping in mind that we get him on a sixth round salary for the next three years, a team would not have to offer us nearly as much to get Foles.

Everybody's gotta price
Everybody's gonna pay
Cuz the Million Dollar Man 
ALWAYS gets his way!

Actually, because the CBA expires after the 2020 season, I'm pretty sure I read that there is no post June 2020 cap splits and that expected incentives on contracts would take affect in the 2020 season instead of the next season like they normally do.

(10-30-2019, 02:52 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 02:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

Or we just pay the best backup QB in the NFL starter money for a year because we can't extend our sixth-round starter making sixth-round money until after his third year anyway. Seriously. We have two good QBs. Can't we just enjoy that for a while instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of a guy who costs us more if he plays for someone else than if he plays for us?

^ This.

(10-30-2019, 02:52 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 02:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

Or we just pay the best backup QB in the NFL starter money for a year because we can't extend our sixth-round starter making sixth-round money until after his third year anyway. Seriously. We have two good QBs. Can't we just enjoy that for a while instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of a guy who costs us more if he plays for someone else than if he plays for us?

I've been trying to drive this home. ^

We have luxury at QB right now. It is a good thing. We don't need to move Foles until either after 2020 - (or if really rich trade offer comes along prior to next year's deadline)

Having a guy like Foles on the bench sure proved valuable for the eagles. Let's enjoy being able to overpay for that for a minute. We have plenty of ways to clear cap if we need to do so.

(10-30-2019, 02:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 01:51 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]This. Trading Foles would nuke our cap next year. I get why people are trying to move him, but he's realistically a Jaguar until 2021. What happens in 2021, if Minshew pans out, is anyone's guess.

Wait.... we can't trade him and dump the money? We still eat some on the cap? 
What's the point of the trade then if not to dump the contract on someone else, a la the Talib (and former Osweiler) trades?


Just looked at spotrac
The key is to trade him post 6/1 I guess. We still eat some dead cap but it is split between 2020 and 21, and the biggest savings.

Problem there is, most teams have their QB situations settled.


The best we can hope for is a restructure or retire on Foles part..... which would be... noble of him

As they said, I dont understand this thought process.  Even with Foles we still dont have a ton of money tied up in that position compared to a lot of other teams.  We dont  need to get rid of Foles at the end of the season and I dont think we do.  Feels great to have 2 really good players at the most important position. Foles is one of the best QBs to learn from as well, let Minshew learn from this guy and we have the best back up in the league.

Foles is still the starter in a couple more weeks. GM15 is still the backup today.

(10-30-2019, 03:07 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody has their price.
There's a price for Minshew, and a price for Foles.
I think we can all agree that the price for Foles is much lower.
Now that we have seen Minshew play, and keeping in mind that we get him on a sixth round salary for the next three years, a team would not have to offer us nearly as much to get Foles.

Everybody's gotta price
Everybody's gonna pay
Cuz the Million Dollar Man 
ALWAYS gets his way!

(10-31-2019, 06:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2019, 03:07 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody's gotta price
Everybody's gonna pay
Cuz the Million Dollar Man 
ALWAYS gets his way!

+1

Certainly not for a ham sandwich. How about unicorn? Get us a unicorn sandwich, and he's all yours.

(10-29-2019, 05:10 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]Whichever QB wins the SB this year in a swap.

So Minshew for himself!!! Genius.