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In 1996 we were 4-7 and we went to the AFC Championship game. The guys on that team have their names on the wall of the stadium. That's why you don't give up on a season.

(11-06-2019, 12:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 12:57 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]Proof?

He was directly asked about it in his first presser as a Jag and went on to explain why he and his wife chose Jacksonville over other options that were on the table. 
 It's not a secret and I'm frankly surprised you are still unaware.

He chose us because we were the only team willing to make him the unquestioned starter, and pay him as such. By all accounts everyone else wanted him to be their highly valued backup, or be part of a competition.

(11-06-2019, 12:37 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]

Like I've stated before, I think it's the right move to make. Oehser summed it up very well this morning:

The Jaguars signed Foles as an unrestricted free agent in March. You don’t play him because of that money, but you do play him because you believed in something about him enough to pay him that money. You don’t abandon that because he sustained a Week 1 injury.

Dak does great when Romo goes down..... Romo gets healthy and.....

Bledsoe goes down and Brady does great.... Bledsoe gets healthy and.....

Sometimes, you have to be able to look past what your plan looked like in week 1 because so many variables have changed.

(11-06-2019, 01:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 12:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He was directly asked about it in his first presser as a Jag and went on to explain why he and his wife chose Jacksonville over other options that were on the table. 
 It's not a secret and I'm frankly surprised you are still unaware.

He chose us because we were the only team willing to make him the unquestioned starter, and pay him as such. By all accounts everyone else wanted him to be their highly valued backup, or be part of a competition.

quote?

(11-06-2019, 01:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]He chose us because we were the only team willing to make him the unquestioned starter, and pay him as such. By all accounts everyone else wanted him to be their highly valued backup, or be part of a competition.

quote?

The truth is we will never know.

We don't know the conversations GMs had with Nick Foles' agent.

But I'm fairly sure Jacksonville was the only team that had nothing else at QB - so he would walk in as the starter with no competition. My SPECULATION is that the FO told him they weren't going to draft a QB in the first few rounds as well.

(11-06-2019, 01:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]He chose us because we were the only team willing to make him the unquestioned starter, and pay him as such. By all accounts everyone else wanted him to be their highly valued backup, or be part of a competition.

quote?

Like every tweet from a blue checkmark when the news broke.

(11-06-2019, 01:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]quote?

Like every tweet from a blue checkmark when the news broke.

So, no quote?

You know people speculate a lot on twitter, right?

(11-06-2019, 01:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Like every tweet from a blue checkmark when the news broke.

So, no quote?

You know people speculate a lot on twitter, right?

Well we know the thing about us paying million more AAV than anyone else simply because we thought he wouldn't have the franchise QB leadership capabilities if he wasn't paid like it is true, so that lends plenty of credence to the blue checkmarks reporting that no one else was willing to make him their unquestioned starter.

If you don't think that 2+2=4 then that's on you.

(11-06-2019, 01:44 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So, no quote?

You know people speculate a lot on twitter, right?

Well we know the thing about us paying million more AAV than anyone else simply because we thought he wouldn't have the franchise QB leadership capabilities if he wasn't paid like it is true, so that lends plenty of credence to the blue checkmarks reporting that no one else was willing to make him their unquestioned starter.

If you don't think that 2+2=4 then that's on you.

Wait, so 1 million more per year (allegedly), completely absent of any knowledge of guaranteed money or any terms. 
This, in your mind =  No one else wanted him to start. 

Yeah - I'm still seeing a lot of big fat "maybe."

I find this narrative really weird from one who was so sold on a similar deal for Cousins.

(11-06-2019, 10:55 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 10:30 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I just value rookie development more than I value the small chance Foles at QB amounts to anything.  

I'm also well aware the HC has views counter to that due to job security.

I just don't get this job security thing.  If winning is job security, well yeah.  They brought in Foles to be the starter.  Minshew played well in some games and not so good in a few others.  If they still feel they have a shot at making the playoffs...and there is a slim chance that they can...you go with your starter.

I'm with you on the "job security" thing.  I think part of it is the "instant gratification" (ie., win every game now) generation of some fans.  We are one game past the halfway point of the season and in no way eliminated from playoff contention.  The head coach's job is to win football games and get the team to the post-season.  You play the players that you (the head coach) think gives the team the best chance to win.

There are a group of fans that have basically "written off" the season because the team is below .500 at this point and not leading the division.  The thing is, there are still 7 games left to play.  Now is not the time to "develop" or "evaluate" a rookie QB.  The team is 4-5 and not out of contention in the least bit.  They just aren't dominant.

As far as any coaching staff or F.O. people being on the "hot seat", I just don't see it at this point.

(11-06-2019, 01:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 12:37 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]

Like I've stated before, I think it's the right move to make. Oehser summed it up very well this morning:

The Jaguars signed Foles as an unrestricted free agent in March. You don’t play him because of that money, but you do play him because you believed in something about him enough to pay him that money. You don’t abandon that because he sustained a Week 1 injury.

Dak does great when Romo goes down..... Romo gets healthy and.....

Bledsoe goes down and Brady does great.... Bledsoe gets healthy and.....

Sometimes, you have to be able to look past what your plan looked like in week 1 because so many variables have changed.

Minshew did OK not great.

Winning matters, if those teams were 4-5 they don't stick with the young guy.

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(11-06-2019, 01:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]quote?

Like every tweet from a blue checkmark when the news broke.

It's not hard to get a blue check mark on that [BLEEP] [BLEEP] social media cesspool of garbage

(11-06-2019, 03:44 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 01:18 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dak does great when Romo goes down..... Romo gets healthy and.....

Bledsoe goes down and Brady does great.... Bledsoe gets healthy and.....

Sometimes, you have to be able to look past what your plan looked like in week 1 because so many variables have changed.

Minshew did OK not great.

Winning matters, if those teams were 4-5 they don't stick with the young guy.

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He outplayed every single 1st round QB taken this year. And last year.

(11-06-2019, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 03:44 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew did OK not great.

Winning matters, if those teams were 4-5 they don't stick with the young guy.

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He outplayed every single 1st round QB taken this year. And last year.

Somebody better notify Lamar Jackson. 

In all seriousness, Minshew is a wonderful asset. But he wasn't going to carry this team into the postseason anymore than Foles is. Too many issues around the roster.

(11-06-2019, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 03:44 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew did OK not great.

Winning matters, if those teams were 4-5 they don't stick with the young guy.

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He outplayed every single 1st round QB taken this year. And last year.

Hmm okay. How come we didn't win more?

Oh yeah, play calling, right?
11 fumbles, not seeing the whole field, responsible for at least 4 or 5 sacks given up.

I'm a Minshew fan.
But to comp him to bad first round QBs isn't saying much. 
Haskins has a small sample size. Daniel Jones probably shouldn't have been selected as high as he was.
Darnold, trash. Rosen, trash. Rosen is so bad he was dumped by the team that drafted him and benched by the team that acquired him. Bortles > Rosen so whatever.
Josh Allen, Much to my chagrin, is actually having a good season. 
Wasn't Lamar Jackson a first round QB last year? Hmmm you missed that one, Minshew has not outplayed him. 
Ya know who else he hasn't out played? Kyle Allen UDFA from last year.

So you can be all whiny about reality if you want to.
Minshew has a 60% comp pct which isn't GREAT it's good.
He has something like 8 turnovers with his INTs and lost fumbles (in 8 starts) again not great
His RZ efficiency is... not good.
And he beat 4 teams with non-winning records, tacks, jests, bungles, broncos.

(11-06-2019, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 03:48 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]He outplayed every single 1st round QB taken this year. And last year.

Somebody better notify Lamar Jackson. 

In all seriousness, Minshew is a wonderful asset. But he wasn't going to carry this team into the postseason anymore than Foles is. Too many issues around the roster.

I'm not sure Lamar Jackson has what it takes upstairs to keep it up for a long career (and to stop the racists before they start, I thought and continue to think Byron Leftwich was the smartest QB we ever had).

If that's the case.... why go to Foles? Why not find out if what you have is real.. if he can take what he learned from last Sunday and do better.

That's my only reasoning... the Superbowl isn't going to happen with all the problems on the team.. the O-line, no TEs, the dismal playcalling... so throw Gardner in there and find out if he has what it takes in the long term.

(11-06-2019, 09:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I highly doubt this. Don't see at all.

Foles is the right decision at this point, and nothing about Marrone suggests a guy that would make a totally different call just because he's worried about getting fired. Moreover, this is not just about winning now, but also about looking at our future because the Jaguars must know precisely who they have with their $88 million investment. They know precisely what they have with Minshew. 
Which is what exactly? What do they know they have in Minshew?

I knew Marrone would go back to Foles because he has consistently played every single scenario safe or scared.

We have more than half a season of evaluation on Minshew to pretty much know precisely how he plays, and for that matter so does the rest of the league now. They know he can scramble and make good decisions even if he tends to avoid check-downs and TEs. They know he can make most of the throws although his deeper passes clearly lack the arm strength and accuracy that Foles provides.

Meanwhile, we have virtually nothing to go on to know what we have in our $88 million investment. This has nothing to do with playing safe or scared. This has to do with making the right call.

Also, there shouldn't be this panic that Foles might struggle taking right over having been out so long. He's come in cold twice before and brought his team all the way to the Super Bowl, winning one of those.

(11-06-2019, 12:39 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 11:35 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I prefer to continue the development on the field with a soft back half of the season defense wise and hopefully go into 2020 with our sure fire starter. Especially with two weeks to get the offense right , also I think I heard either Boselli or Lags say he had an injury on Sunday but haven't seen it anywhere else.

We aren't going to the playoffs either way imo so letting the rookie continue as he's earned makes more long term sense for me. Although I can also understand the HC view and wanting to know what you have in Foles after trying yourself down for more than one year with a lot of money

These next few games are definitely winnable if our D doesnt get gashed as in the past this year and if the offense comes to play.  Foles was signed to win so this should be a piece of cake if he's worth any salt.

Perhaps soon, but the next game is at the Colts and that's no gimme game. The Colts are one of the better teams in this league with a 5-3 record. I'm honestly not expecting a win in Indy with either QB.

(11-06-2019, 03:39 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 10:55 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't get this job security thing.  If winning is job security, well yeah.  They brought in Foles to be the starter.  Minshew played well in some games and not so good in a few others.  If they still feel they have a shot at making the playoffs...and there is a slim chance that they can...you go with your starter.

I'm with you on the "job security" thing.  I think part of it is the "instant gratification" (ie., win every game now) generation of some fans.  We are one game past the halfway point of the season and in no way eliminated from playoff contention.  The head coach's job is to win football games and get the team to the post-season.  You play the players that you (the head coach) think gives the team the best chance to win.

There are a group of fans that have basically "written off" the season because the team is below .500 at this point and not leading the division.  The thing is, there are still 7 games left to play.  Now is not the time to "develop" or "evaluate" a rookie QB.  The team is 4-5 and not out of contention in the least bit.  They just aren't dominant.

As far as any coaching staff or F.O. people being on the "hot seat", I just don't see it at this point.

Good grief. So now it's a generational thing?  No one is asking for instant gratification.  In fact, starting Foles would be the reason for instant gratification rather than taking your lumps with the rookie QB in order to give him a better future. "Win every game now" mantra would mean starting Foles. Not Minshew.

Minshew gives you a chance to win AND AT THE SAME TIME, allows him to develop. If you think Foles is going to come in here and be this HOF upgrade, you may want to think again.

(11-06-2019, 03:59 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody better notify Lamar Jackson. 

In all seriousness, Minshew is a wonderful asset. But he wasn't going to carry this team into the postseason anymore than Foles is. Too many issues around the roster.

I'm not sure Lamar Jackson has what it takes upstairs to keep it up for a long career (and to stop the racists before they start, I thought and continue to think Byron Leftwich was the smartest QB we ever had).

If that's the case.... why go to Foles? Why not find out if what you have is real.. if he can take what he learned from last Sunday and do better.

That's my only reasoning... the Superbowl isn't going to happen with all the problems on the team.. the O-line, no TEs, the dismal playcalling... so throw Gardner in there and find out if he has what it takes in the long term.

I think we've already done that.

He's played extensively and done well but also displayed areas in need of improvement. Improvement that can begin now and have him ready for showtime as soon is Foles is either traded, injured or simply beaten out in next year's camp.

(11-06-2019, 03:59 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2019, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody better notify Lamar Jackson. 

In all seriousness, Minshew is a wonderful asset. But he wasn't going to carry this team into the postseason anymore than Foles is. Too many issues around the roster.

I'm not sure Lamar Jackson has what it takes upstairs to keep it up for a long career (and to stop the racists before they start, I thought and continue to think Byron Leftwich was the smartest QB we ever had).

If that's the case.... why go to Foles? Why not find out if what you have is real.. if he can take what he learned from last Sunday and do better.

That's my only reasoning... the Superbowl isn't going to happen with all the problems on the team.. the O-line, no TEs, the dismal playcalling... so throw Gardner in there and find out if he has what it takes in the long term.

Lamar's football IQ is off the charts. He reads the field better than of the QBs taken before him last year. His field vision and ability to read defenses is one of the best things about his play. Not sure why you are trying to project after your initial statement was false since Lamar > Minshew.

We're going to Foles because of his salary. Minshew will be fine though. I'm pretty sure he'll be back starting before the end of this year. He's a 2.0 QB with his ability to run as well.