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Willie Taggart sighted at TIAA Bank Field

Shad has entrusted Coughlin to make your fandom increase and right this Franchise. He was hired to build this fanbase a continuous winner. Sorry to see you go before this FO lives up to that.

(11-25-2019, 02:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2019, 01:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I love Keenan, this needs to be a clean sweep.

Keenan is not doing a bad job.  I think you need to leave guys who have love and history with the team in place unless you have a really good reason to specifically get rid of them.

You give the new GM and HC carte blanche to hire whoever the heck they think is best. If that's keeping Keenan around, awesome. And based on his reputation maybe he would be the best But if that's someone other than Keenan then that sucks, but ok.

(11-25-2019, 04:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Willie Taggart sighted at TIAA Bank Field

You better stop. 

(11-25-2019, 04:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2019, 04:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Willie Taggart sighted at TIAA Bank Field

You better stop. 

My bad. He was just interviewing for the assistant manager position at the hot dog stall in Section 234. Didn't get it. My sources tell me that middle management was worried about his ability to lead.

(11-25-2019, 04:00 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, what ever happens the damn team is stuck with that ridiculous Foles contract. A critical mistake IMO. Dude is displaying Gabbertish traits.

Meanwhile The Man, The myth, The Shew is sitting on the bench.

Considering our season is already over with, we should be rooting for the stache to win O.R.O.Y. but our meandering front office is trying to save face with that 88 million dollar blunder of theirs

(11-25-2019, 08:53 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can I have your attention, please? I have something I think you all ought to know about. It seems that Mr. Khan doesn't think too highly of our worth. He put this team together because he thought we'd be bad enough to finish dead last, knocking attendance down to the point where he could move the team to London... and get rid of all of us for better personnel.

I can't believe no one commented on this reference.  Is the movie really that old?


My Christmas wish is a complete housecleaning...Mister Clean, squeaky-clean type housecleaning.  Don't leave anyone behind.  Eliminate the VP position and go back to one GM and one HC.  Hire a GM with experience & a good track record, and hire a HC with promise and put both of them on a short leash---no "4 years minimum" guarantees.  Overpay for them as needed, but get them to show the ability to turn this franchise around in 2 years or give them the boot.  Khan's been way too patient for way too long, and that's been a huge problem.

(11-25-2019, 11:27 AM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]I think most of us here are done. Jaguars football is over for the year with a lower middle of the pack finish.
At least I'll get some things done around the house instead of watching TV.

and by the way......if they take this clown show to London full time they'll get run out of there with constant losing like this

....and now I'm picturing a revisit of the Boston Tea Party, where Londoners are chucking all their Jags gear into the Thames.

Thank you, MG, this made my morning.

Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL. I think he's drafted this team full of talent. I know many disagree but he continues to find gems in the draft. Talent is not this team's issue. It's coaching. The team looks out coached over and over and over again. I'd very much like to have a tactician, details details details type of coach that has a solid game plan each week ready to exploit what other teams do and don't do.

Right now, we just look straight up flat. I can't even remember the last time I saw something we did on the field and thinking "that was a nice move by Marrone". An example of this is how NO didn't even truly rush Minshew, they played QB contain most of the game to prevent him from making those crazy improv plays... And it worked.

I cannot remember anything like this for this team for a very long time where I saw something the coaches identified on film about our opponents and executed it on field.

I'm tired of the "we're going to do what we do and do it well" attitude regardless of who the opponent is. That worked for one year, in 2017 and then everybody figured it out. Our coaching staff seems to just refuse to try anything different. It's plain vanilla same thing over and over again and it's time to move on.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL. I think he's drafted this team full of talent. I know many disagree but he continues to find gems in the draft. Talent is not this team's issue. It's coaching. The team looks out coached over and over and over again. I'd very much like to have a tactician, details details details type of coach that has a solid game plan each week ready to exploit what other teams do and don't do.

Right now, we just look straight up flat. I can't even remember the last time I saw something we did on the field and thinking "that was a nice move by Marrone". An example of this is how NO didn't even truly rush Minshew, they played QB contain most of the game to prevent him from making those crazy improv plays... And it worked.

I cannot remember anything like this for this team for a very long time where I saw something the coaches identified on film about our opponents and executed it on field.

I'm tired of the "we're going to do what we do and do it well" attitude regardless of who the opponent is. That worked for one year, in 2017 and then everybody figured it out. Our coaching staff seems to just refuse to try anything different. It's plain vanilla same thing over and over again and it's time to move on.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

The GM position is more than just the acquisition of talent, and even there Dave has made some pretty bad moves that throw shade over the good moves he has made.

The GM is also responsible for picking the HC, and Dave saddled us with 4 years of Gusball.  Maybe he didn't have much input on keeping Marrone, but hypothetically let's say Coughlin never entered the equation and it was up to Dave to pick our new HC.  How many here would have trusted him with that after his terrible first swing & miss?

Now if you're suggesting to keep Dave by demoting him to head scout and letting him have significant input on late round picks, then I'm ok with that.

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I cannot remember anything like this for this team for a very long time where I saw something the coaches identified on film about our opponents and executed it on field.

The last time, from my own memory, that something like this occurred was when JDR ordered MJD to go down at the 2 yd line (and not score the TD) vs. the Jets.  It was an intelligent decision, but was over the top a bit and even had several on this board (well, the old Jaguars.com board) thinking it was a bad move.  It was the best decision, however, and we won the game.

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL. I think he's drafted this team full of talent. I know many disagree but he continues to find gems in the draft. Talent is not this team's issue. It's coaching. The team looks out coached over and over and over again. I'd very much like to have a tactician, details details details type of coach that has a solid game plan each week ready to exploit what other teams do and don't do.

Right now, we just look straight up flat. I can't even remember the last time I saw something we did on the field and thinking "that was a nice move by Marrone". An example of this is how NO didn't even truly rush Minshew, they played QB contain most of the game to prevent him from making those crazy improv plays... And it worked.

I cannot remember anything like this for this team for a very long time where I saw something the coaches identified on film about our opponents and executed it on field.

I'm tired of the "we're going to do what we do and do it well" attitude regardless of who the opponent is. That worked for one year, in 2017 and then everybody figured it out. Our coaching staff seems to just refuse to try anything different. It's plain vanilla same thing over and over again and it's time to move on.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

I'd get rid of Caldwell before I'd get rid of Coughlin but I think it's time they all go. Caldwell has made some bad choices starting with dumping Daryl Smith and drafting Joeckel. Personally, I have a lot of respect for TC as a coach but it's a different skill set to be at the helm of football operations. Time to get out the brooms and make a fresh start.

(11-26-2019, 02:49 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL. I think he's drafted this team full of talent. I know many disagree but he continues to find gems in the draft. Talent is not this team's issue. It's coaching. The team looks out coached over and over and over again. I'd very much like to have a tactician, details details details type of coach that has a solid game plan each week ready to exploit what other teams do and don't do.

Right now, we just look straight up flat. I can't even remember the last time I saw something we did on the field and thinking "that was a nice move by Marrone". An example of this is how NO didn't even truly rush Minshew, they played QB contain most of the game to prevent him from making those crazy improv plays... And it worked.

I cannot remember anything like this for this team for a very long time where I saw something the coaches identified on film about our opponents and executed it on field.

I'm tired of the "we're going to do what we do and do it well" attitude regardless of who the opponent is. That worked for one year, in 2017 and then everybody figured it out. Our coaching staff seems to just refuse to try anything different. It's plain vanilla same thing over and over again and it's time to move on.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

I'd get rid of Caldwell before I'd get rid of Coughlin but I think it's time they all go. Caldwell has made some bad choices starting with dumping Daryl Smith and drafting Joeckel. Personally, I have a lot of respect for TC as a coach but it's a different skill set to be at the helm of football operations. Time to get out the brooms and make a fresh start.

Every GM in the league would have drafted Joeckel. Not the best example of a bad draft pick.

Bortles. We reached.

(11-26-2019, 02:50 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 02:49 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd get rid of Caldwell before I'd get rid of Coughlin but I think it's time they all go. Caldwell has made some bad choices starting with dumping Daryl Smith and drafting Joeckel. Personally, I have a lot of respect for TC as a coach but it's a different skill set to be at the helm of football operations. Time to get out the brooms and make a fresh start.

Every GM in the league would have drafted Joeckel. Not the best example of a bad draft pick.

Bortles. We reached.

Not really, there were some who thought he was a legit first round pick but look what happened. At some point there's got to be some accountability for results. Especially after 7 drafts.

(11-26-2019, 02:53 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 02:50 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Every GM in the league would have drafted Joeckel. Not the best example of a bad draft pick.

Bortles. We reached.

Not really, there were some who thought he was a legit first round pick but look what happened. At some point there's got to be some accountability for results. Especially after 7 drafts.

That was a historically bad draft... how many first rounders are still in the league from that draft? 5?

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Geez DJ Hayden was taken 12th overall... for a nickel?

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post...-nfl-draft

I forgot that Hopkins fell to 27 that year...

(11-26-2019, 03:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 02:53 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, there were some who thought he was a legit first round pick but look what happened. At some point there's got to be some accountability for results. Especially after 7 drafts.

That was a historically bad draft... how many first rounders are still in the league from that draft? 5?

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Geez DJ Hayden was taken 12th overall... for a nickel?

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post...-nfl-draft

I forgot that Hopkins fell to 27 that year...

Which shows just how badly that entire class was misjudged.

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

Caldwell is a very good scout and a not-so-great GM. Keep the title and let him run the draft, fine, but he shouldn't have final say on the roster.

(11-26-2019, 02:50 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles. We reached.

I kinda don't think so. Had Bortles been on the board, I strongly believe he'd have been gone within the next five picks. Oakland, Cleveland and Minnesota were definitely in need of a QB. Tampa Bay might have taken him, and it's possible that someone would have jumped up from later in the round for him.

(11-26-2019, 03:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Geez DJ Hayden was taken 12th overall... for a nickel?

I think it goes without saying that he wasn't drafted to be a nickel corner. Were it not for his health scare, he would have been drafted sooner. Hell, had the Raiders not scared Miami into trading up to third overall, they probably would have taken him there even with the heart scare.

(11-26-2019, 03:42 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 01:40 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, Marrone needs to go. IMO - DO NOT GET RID OF CALWELL.

All that said, back to my original statement - keep Caldwell. I don't understand the hate on him. He's done his job well. The team has tons of talent, it's just not being used well.

Caldwell is a very good scout and a not-so-great GM. Keep the title and let him run the draft, fine, but he shouldn't have final say on the roster.

(11-26-2019, 02:50 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles. We reached.

I kinda don't think so. Had Bortles been on the board, I strongly believe he'd have been gone within the next five picks. Oakland, Cleveland and Minnesota were definitely in need of a QB. Tampa Bay might have taken him, and it's possible that someone would have jumped up from later in the round for him.

(11-26-2019, 03:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Geez DJ Hayden was taken 12th overall... for a nickel?

I think it goes without saying that he wasn't drafted to be a nickel corner. Were it not for his health scare, he would have been drafted sooner. Hell, had the Raiders not scared Miami into trading up to third overall, they probably would have taken him there even with the heart scare.

Of course he wasn't drafted to be a nickel - but that's what his skillset is best suited for.. No way he can be a CB2 and definitely not a CB1. This draft was just poorly judged by everyone for some reason.

(11-26-2019, 03:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-26-2019, 02:53 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, there were some who thought he was a legit first round pick but look what happened. At some point there's got to be some accountability for results. Especially after 7 drafts.

That was a historically bad draft... how many first rounders are still in the league from that draft? 5?

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Geez DJ Hayden was taken 12th overall... for a nickel?

https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post...-nfl-draft

I forgot that Hopkins fell to 27 that year...

If Joke was one of a very few clear misses while building a perennial winner over the last 7 years, then sure he'd get a pass. And to be fair, he's made some good picks too. But part of being a GM is building a team that can compete every year and he hasn't done that outside of what's certain to become known as an anomaly in 2017. We can do better.

(11-26-2019, 02:50 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Every GM in the league would have drafted Joeckel. Not the best example of a bad draft pick.

Joeckel didn't go first overall so obviously someone wouldn't have drafted Joeckel. The legend of how bad that draft was is false too. There were a whole lot of good players. 32 pro bowlers and probably about that many more that were long term starter level. Dave is just so bad at his job that he couldn't identify any of them.