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(11-28-2019, 08:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Our biggest team need right now by far is stopping the run.   Whatever draft and free agency plan we come up with has to deal with that need.   Our problem right now is, all our big guys are just guys.   Abry Jones, Taven Bryan, Norwell, Cann, all just guys.   We need to spend some high draft picks on those spots, especially defensive tackle, because if we defend the run next year the way we have in the last 3 games, we will be 0-16.   And the same with linebacker.   Myles Jack is out of position, and everyone else is a backup-quality player.  

We can't block and we can't tackle.   We have to rebuild this team on the spots nearest the center of things- the guys who line up next to the ball.

Sounds about right. These would be realistic targets for what you're looking for. I only went through rounds 1 - 3 for the time being. I would rather see them try and trade down though because of all of the holes you just listed above personally with that 11th or 20th pick at this time. I provided three names at different positions that should be there. Of course a lot can change between this post, the rest of this season and the combine. 

11th: Tristan Wirfs - OT / Alex Weatherwood OT - OG / Derrick Brown - DL3Tech - Brown would be a steal here if he fell out of the top ten IMHO. 

20th: Javon Kinlaw - DL3Tech / Solomon Kindley - OG / Malik Harrison - ILB - These last two guys in bold could be potential reaches here but they fall in that weird range where if you don't take them there you probably run the risk of seeing them gone by the time your 43rd pick rolls around. Again, this is why I am hoping and praying they find a partner to trade down with while picking up a future 1 or 2 in 2021's draft. 

43rd: Kenneth Murray - ILB / Shane Lemieux - OG / Raekown Davis - DL3Tech - This entire group in bold will more than likely rise significantly to late day one players or fall slightly after the combine as they've recently put on some good film for scouts.

75th: Jacob Phillips - ILB / Rashard Lawrence - DL1Tech - DL3Tech / Hakeem Adeniji - OG - Lawrence could probably sneak into the 2nd round if LSU goes onto finish off whomever they face off against in the Championship game.
(11-28-2019, 08:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Our biggest team need right now by far is stopping the run.   Whatever draft and free agency plan we come up with has to deal with that need.   Our problem right now is, all our big guys are just guys.   Abry Jones, Taven Bryan, Norwell, Cann, all just guys.   We need to spend some high draft picks on those spots, especially defensive tackle, because if we defend the run next year the way we have in the last 3 games, we will be 0-16.   And the same with linebacker.   Myles Jack is out of position, and everyone else is a backup-quality player.  

We can't block and we can't tackle.   We have to rebuild this team on the spots nearest the center of things- the guys who line up next to the ball.

I think Williams is more than just a guy.  But OL, NT, and LB are by far our biggest needs.
(11-27-2019, 12:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2019, 11:11 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Teams currently ahead of us
Cardinals - play the Rams twice and Steelers and Cleveland and Seattle. I really think they can get 2 more wins. Which will make them a 5 win team, with a tie.
Lions - Jeff Driskel isn't leading them to too many more wins I don't think. But they do play the Broncos and Bears, overall not very good teams. But assume they finish with just the 3 wins.
Falcons - they got us one their schedule, so there's an easy one. plus divisional games with the Saints who they just beat, the Panthers who are very beatable, and the Bucs. They can hang it up against the 9ers though. They'll finish with 6 wins (us and 2 out of 3 remaining NFCS games)
Broncos have a tough slate but winnable games vs the Lions, Bolts, and Raiders. They'll probably snag at least one more win to put them at 4 total.
Giants have the Skins and Phins coming up so give them two more. That puts them at 4 total wins too.
The Skins, Phins, and bungles are not winning much more, if anything the Phins and bungles play each other, so someone has to win and maybe the Phins get a lay up at years end with Pats resting guys with an AFC bye.
Skins, Phins, Bungles all finish with worse records, and a handful of teams will have 4 wins.

I think we finish picking at 5 or 6.
Which is good position for really good talent. Burrow and maybe another QB will be taken high (Bungles, Phins?)
top OT option probably will be taken and Chase Young.
If we're picking at 5, we'll have our pick of the litter or possibly for the first time ever trade back and collect more picks.

As per the Rams, the only game that I'm notching as a definite win for them is the 'Boys. And they probably split with the Cards. Finishing at 8-8 usually has you picking in the mid to late teens.
Good area for OGs or perhaps a stud TE if there is one out there this draft.

The Falcons, Broncos and Cardinals are the teams that I believe will probably target NT Derrick Brown. Those are the teams I will be rooting for the rest of the year, we need to get in front of them to land him.

Curious, who will you pull for when the Jaguars play the Falcons?
(11-28-2019, 08:45 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2019, 08:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Our biggest team need right now by far is stopping the run.   Whatever draft and free agency plan we come up with has to deal with that need.   Our problem right now is, all our big guys are just guys.   Abry Jones, Taven Bryan, Norwell, Cann, all just guys.   We need to spend some high draft picks on those spots, especially defensive tackle, because if we defend the run next year the way we have in the last 3 games, we will be 0-16.   And the same with linebacker.   Myles Jack is out of position, and everyone else is a backup-quality player.  

We can't block and we can't tackle.   We have to rebuild this team on the spots nearest the center of things- the guys who line up next to the ball.

Sounds about right. These would be realistic targets for what you're looking for. I only went through rounds 1 - 3 for the time being. I would rather see them try and trade down though because of all of the holes you just listed above personally with that 11th or 20th pick at this time. I provided three names at different positions that should be there. Of course a lot can change between this post, the rest of this season and the combine. 

11th: Tristan Wirfs - OT / Alex Weatherwood OT - OG / Derrick Brown - DL3Tech - Brown would be a steal here if he fell out of the top ten IMHO. 

20th: Javon Kinlaw - DL3Tech / Solomon Kindley - OG / Malik Harrison - ILB - These last two guys in bold could be potential reaches here but they fall in that weird range where if you don't take them there you probably run the risk of seeing them gone by the time your 43rd pick rolls around. Again, this is why I am hoping and praying they find a partner to trade down with while picking up a future 1 or 2 in 2021's draft. 

43rd: Kenneth Murray - ILB / Shane Lemieux - OG / Raekown Davis - DL3Tech - This entire group in bold will more than likely rise significantly to late day one players or fall slightly after the combine as they've recently put on some good film for scouts.

75th: Jacob Phillips - ILB / Rashard Lawrence - DL1Tech - DL3Tech / Hakeem Adeniji - OG - Lawrence could probably sneak into the 2nd round if LSU goes onto finish off whomever they face off against in the Championship game.

I agree pretty much. With the first pick, I's definitely target NT Derrick Brown, but as I said before, I believe he will be gone. I like Wirfs alot, but like Brown, I don't see him lasting that long. With teams like the Giants, Washington, Miami and Denver all in desperate need of good LT's, it'll be a longshot for him to fall. I'm not high on Alex Leatherwood. In fact, I would much rather have OT Trey Williams who will fall anywhere from the mid to later part of round 1, possibly even the top of round 2. He's a much better pass protector. IMO, Leatherwood would be a reach before pick 20. I think he projects more as an OG. The way the board is sitting now, unless something weird happens like last year, I believe the BAP will be a WR when we select. Either Jeudy, Lamb or Smith. 

At #20, I like Kinlaw and Larrell Murchinson, but neither are true NT's, even though they play well against the run. They will probably be used as 3 techniques and I just don't see the Jags selecting a 3 technique and giving up on Bryan. I also don't see Kindley or Harrison as first round picks. I believe the top ILB's will be Dye and Murray. This will be an interesting selection for us. I could see the team selecting OLB Isaiah Simmons (who is projected in this range) and trying to sell us that they addressed the LB spot when we all know that ILB Myles Jack is a huge problem. If the take Simmons here, but address ILB later in the draft I'm fine, but if they don't, I'll be furious. 

#43 If Murray or Dye falls here, that's a no brainer. We have to take one of them. Personally, I could see Dye going to the Seahawks at the end of round 1 and the LB starved Bengals taking Murray at the top of round 2. I'd love Murray though. I think round 2 is where we address OG. This is where the top guys should start coming off the board. My personal favorite is John Simpson of Clemson. He's a solid pass protector and a very good run blocker. I also like Shane Lemieux or Kindley in this spot. I think some team is gonna reach for Alabama NT Raekwon Davis in round 1. He's a non-factor against the pass and he's hit and miss against the run, but almost all Alabama players get over drafted. I could also see us taking a TE here like Brycen Hopkins of Purdue. He's been steadily rising in most mocks. 

Once we get into the 3rd round, it's a real crapshoot, but I'd love to draft ILB Evan Weaver of California. This kid is a workhorse. He's 6'3" 235lbs. with a motor that won't quit. Right now, he leads the NCAA in tackles with 163 and he has 2.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles. Tackling is this kid's forte' and right now, our linebackers couldn't tackle my dead grandma.

This draft is definitely gonna be interesting. I need to know who will be making the picks and if Coughlin is gonna have a say before I can even get a sense of the direction this team will go in. This is gonna be a critical offseason though. Something big has to change.
(11-28-2019, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2019, 08:45 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds about right. These would be realistic targets for what you're looking for. I only went through rounds 1 - 3 for the time being. I would rather see them try and trade down though because of all of the holes you just listed above personally with that 11th or 20th pick at this time. I provided three names at different positions that should be there. Of course a lot can change between this post, the rest of this season and the combine. 

11th: Tristan Wirfs - OT / Alex Weatherwood OT - OG / Derrick Brown - DL3Tech - Brown would be a steal here if he fell out of the top ten IMHO. 

20th: Javon Kinlaw - DL3Tech / Solomon Kindley - OG / Malik Harrison - ILB - These last two guys in bold could be potential reaches here but they fall in that weird range where if you don't take them there you probably run the risk of seeing them gone by the time your 43rd pick rolls around. Again, this is why I am hoping and praying they find a partner to trade down with while picking up a future 1 or 2 in 2021's draft. 

43rd: Kenneth Murray - ILB / Shane Lemieux - OG / Raekown Davis - DL3Tech - This entire group in bold will more than likely rise significantly to late day one players or fall slightly after the combine as they've recently put on some good film for scouts.

75th: Jacob Phillips - ILB / Rashard Lawrence - DL1Tech - DL3Tech / Hakeem Adeniji - OG - Lawrence could probably sneak into the 2nd round if LSU goes onto finish off whomever they face off against in the Championship game.

I agree pretty much. With the first pick, I's definitely target NT Derrick Brown, but as I said before, I believe he will be gone. I like Wirfs alot, but like Brown, I don't see him lasting that long. With teams like the Giants, Washington, Miami and Denver all in desperate need of good LT's, it'll be a longshot for him to fall. I'm not high on Alex Leatherwood. In fact, I would much rather have OT Trey Williams who will fall anywhere from the mid to later part of round 1, possibly even the top of round 2. He's a much better pass protector. IMO, Leatherwood would be a reach before pick 20. I think he projects more as an OG. The way the board is sitting now, unless something weird happens like last year, I believe the BAP will be a WR when we select. Either Jeudy, Lamb or Smith. 

At #20, I like Kinlaw and Larrell Murchinson, but neither are true NT's, even though they play well against the run. They will probably be used as 3 techniques and I just don't see the Jags selecting a 3 technique and giving up on Bryan. I also don't see Kindley or Harrison as first round picks. I believe the top ILB's will be Dye and Murray. This will be an interesting selection for us. I could see the team selecting OLB Isaiah Simmons (who is projected in this range) and trying to sell us that they addressed the LB spot when we all know that ILB Myles Jack is a huge problem. If the take Simmons here, but address ILB later in the draft I'm fine, but if they don't, I'll be furious. 

#43 If Murray or Dye falls here, that's a no brainer. We have to take one of them. Personally, I could see Dye going to the Seahawks at the end of round 1 and the LB starved Bengals taking Murray at the top of round 2. I'd love Murray though. I think round 2 is where we address OG. This is where the top guys should start coming off the board. My personal favorite is John Simpson of Clemson. He's a solid pass protector and a very good run blocker. I also like Shane Lemieux or Kindley in this spot. I think some team is gonna reach for Alabama NT Raekwon Davis in round 1. He's a non-factor against the pass and he's hit and miss against the run, but almost all Alabama players get over drafted. I could also see us taking a TE here like Brycen Hopkins of Purdue. He's been steadily rising in most mocks. 

Once we get into the 3rd round, it's a real crapshoot, but I'd love to draft ILB Evan Weaver of California. This kid is a workhorse. He's 6'3" 235lbs. with a motor that won't quit. Right now, he leads the NCAA in tackles with 163 and he has 2.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles. Tackling is this kid's forte' and right now, our linebackers couldn't tackle my dead grandma.

This draft is definitely gonna be interesting. I need to know who will be making the picks and if Coughlin is gonna have a say before I can even get a sense of the direction this team will go in. This is gonna be a critical offseason though. Something big has to change.

It'll be interesting to see to say the least. Good to see someone else around here mention Dye's name. I threw his name around a month ago and was told he'd be there in round four or five.

I was pretty high on Paddy Fisher out of Northwestern too going into this year but he's seemed to cool off a lot as a senior. Seems one dimensional for an ILB at the next level. Would be a good fit to keep an eye on the run in a 3 - 4 scheme but I highly doubt this team will change what they have now on defense scheme wise going into 2020.
(11-28-2019, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2019, 08:45 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds about right. These would be realistic targets for what you're looking for. I only went through rounds 1 - 3 for the time being. I would rather see them try and trade down though because of all of the holes you just listed above personally with that 11th or 20th pick at this time. I provided three names at different positions that should be there. Of course a lot can change between this post, the rest of this season and the combine. 

11th: Tristan Wirfs - OT / Alex Weatherwood OT - OG / Derrick Brown - DL3Tech - Brown would be a steal here if he fell out of the top ten IMHO. 

20th: Javon Kinlaw - DL3Tech / Solomon Kindley - OG / Malik Harrison - ILB - These last two guys in bold could be potential reaches here but they fall in that weird range where if you don't take them there you probably run the risk of seeing them gone by the time your 43rd pick rolls around. Again, this is why I am hoping and praying they find a partner to trade down with while picking up a future 1 or 2 in 2021's draft. 

43rd: Kenneth Murray - ILB / Shane Lemieux - OG / Raekown Davis - DL3Tech - This entire group in bold will more than likely rise significantly to late day one players or fall slightly after the combine as they've recently put on some good film for scouts.

75th: Jacob Phillips - ILB / Rashard Lawrence - DL1Tech - DL3Tech / Hakeem Adeniji - OG - Lawrence could probably sneak into the 2nd round if LSU goes onto finish off whomever they face off against in the Championship game.

I agree pretty much. With the first pick, I's definitely target NT Derrick Brown, but as I said before, I believe he will be gone. I like Wirfs alot, but like Brown, I don't see him lasting that long. With teams like the Giants, Washington, Miami and Denver all in desperate need of good LT's, it'll be a longshot for him to fall. I'm not high on Alex Leatherwood. In fact, I would much rather have OT Trey Williams who will fall anywhere from the mid to later part of round 1, possibly even the top of round 2. He's a much better pass protector. IMO, Leatherwood would be a reach before pick 20. I think he projects more as an OG. The way the board is sitting now, unless something weird happens like last year, I believe the BAP will be a WR when we select. Either Jeudy, Lamb or Smith. 

At #20, I like Kinlaw and Larrell Murchinson, but neither are true NT's, even though they play well against the run. They will probably be used as 3 techniques and I just don't see the Jags selecting a 3 technique and giving up on Bryan. I also don't see Kindley or Harrison as first round picks. I believe the top ILB's will be Dye and Murray. This will be an interesting selection for us. I could see the team selecting OLB Isaiah Simmons (who is projected in this range) and trying to sell us that they addressed the LB spot when we all know that ILB Myles Jack is a huge problem. If the take Simmons here, but address ILB later in the draft I'm fine, but if they don't, I'll be furious. 

#43 If Murray or Dye falls here, that's a no brainer. We have to take one of them. Personally, I could see Dye going to the Seahawks at the end of round 1 and the LB starved Bengals taking Murray at the top of round 2. I'd love Murray though. I think round 2 is where we address OG. This is where the top guys should start coming off the board. My personal favorite is John Simpson of Clemson. He's a solid pass protector and a very good run blocker. I also like Shane Lemieux or Kindley in this spot. I think some team is gonna reach for Alabama NT Raekwon Davis in round 1. He's a non-factor against the pass and he's hit and miss against the run, but almost all Alabama players get over drafted. I could also see us taking a TE here like Brycen Hopkins of Purdue. He's been steadily rising in most mocks. 

Once we get into the 3rd round, it's a real crapshoot, but I'd love to draft ILB Evan Weaver of California. This kid is a workhorse. He's 6'3" 235lbs. with a motor that won't quit. Right now, he leads the NCAA in tackles with 163 and he has 2.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles. Tackling is this kid's forte' and right now, our linebackers couldn't tackle my dead grandma.

This draft is definitely gonna be interesting. I need to know who will be making the picks and if Coughlin is gonna have a say before I can even get a sense of the direction this team will go in. This is gonna be a critical offseason though. Something big has to change.

These all look like excellent candidates. One other guy they'd have to consider, if he decides to enter the draft, is Pat Freirmuth. He would be very tempting to take with their 2nd pick in round 1. Ideally, Derrick Brown falls like Allen did and we steal him for the defense to plug the middle and then address offense with Freirmuth. The offensive line would then need to be addressed in round 2 with Simpson, Kindley or Lemieux unless they luck out and someone like Tyler Biadecz falls to them like Robinson and Taylor in previous drafts. They could then take a linebacker in round 3 like Phillips or Weaver. 

The big negative of this scenerio is that they'd likely have to rely on Cam Robinson at left tackle. The new G.M. (better happen) would need to decide if Robinson can improve and that the Jags would be better off with a potentially elite tight end than a highly rated tackle like Wirfs. These are the decisions which G.M.'s need to get right and the reason the Jags have been terrible for so long.
I think Simmons is going to be pretty pretty chalky to us come draft time. Kill two birds with one stone.
(11-28-2019, 11:52 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I think Simmons is going to be pretty pretty chalky to us come draft time. Kill two birds with one stone.

Brown and Simmons would be a dream 1st 2 picks.  I doubt we would be able to get both though
Or Brown and Mosses
(11-29-2019, 12:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Or Brown and Mosses

Personally, I think Moses should return to school. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on a guy who was out all of 2019.
(11-29-2019, 01:31 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 12:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Or Brown and Mosses

Personally, I think Moses should return to school. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on a guy who was out all of 2019.

If it was QB or a lineman I would agree.  Being he plays LB I would think he can be brought up to speed pretty quickly.  The combine will be huge for him.  The combine will mean more to him than probably any player in this draft.  If he kills the combine I wouldnt think twice about taking him with our 2nd pick if say we got Brown in the 1st.  A healthy Mosses along with Brown and moving Jack to weak side would upgrade this D a ton
(11-29-2019, 10:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 01:31 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I think Moses should return to school. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on a guy who was out all of 2019.

If it was QB or a lineman I would agree.  Being he plays LB I would think he can be brought up to speed pretty quickly.  The combine will be huge for him.  The combine will mean more to him than probably any player in this draft.  If he kills the combine I wouldnt think twice about taking him with our 2nd pick if say we got Brown in the 1st.  A healthy Mosses along with Brown and moving Jack to weak side would upgrade this D a ton

If he's healthy, I agree, but will he even be recovered enough to work out for scouts or will they just have to go by his 2018 resume? That's gonna make all the difference.
(11-29-2019, 11:50 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 10:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If it was QB or a lineman I would agree.  Being he plays LB I would think he can be brought up to speed pretty quickly.  The combine will be huge for him.  The combine will mean more to him than probably any player in this draft.  If he kills the combine I wouldnt think twice about taking him with our 2nd pick if say we got Brown in the 1st.  A healthy Mosses along with Brown and moving Jack to weak side would upgrade this D a ton

If he's healthy, I agree, but will he even be recovered enough to work out for scouts or will they just have to go by his 2018 resume? That's gonna make all the difference.

I don't show Dylan Moses anywhere though on anyone's radar. Has he even declared? I don't think he has. He's probably going back to school. I think they'll target Malik Harrison & Kenneth Murray with that 2nd pick in the first round. But I hope they trade down and pick-up an extra 2nd and 3rd in that draft and maybe another future pick in 2021 instead. Especially if they land one of the top OT's or DT's with our actual first round pick. 

There's this one kid out of Texas Tech that I think we should all be keeping an eye on for sure though. Jordyn Brooks, senior. At a position this year where we've failed miserably to stay healthy this kid could help out with 47 starts in college. I don't think he's missed a game yet. And he's always all over the damn place from what I have seen so far. Could be there for the taking in RD3 but could shoot up boards as a RD2 guy after the combine. 

Another name I like is Shaquille Quarterman out of Miami. Again, another long standing senior that's shown the ability to stay healthy and play sideline to sideline. Also has flashed the ability to run through the line and steal some hits on the QB. Not the best in pass coverage but he could be a RD4 guy for sure that can develop. If he has a strong front four in front of him he can keep himself clean and secure the running game IMHO here.
(11-29-2019, 12:42 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 11:50 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If he's healthy, I agree, but will he even be recovered enough to work out for scouts or will they just have to go by his 2018 resume? That's gonna make all the difference.

I don't show Dylan Moses anywhere though on anyone's radar. Has he even declared? I don't think he has. He's probably going back to school. I think they'll target Malik Harrison & Kenneth Murray with that 2nd pick in the first round. But I hope they trade down and pick-up an extra 2nd and 3rd in that draft and maybe another future pick in 2021 instead. Especially if they land one of the top OT's or DT's with our actual first round pick. 

There's this one kid out of Texas Tech that I think we should all be keeping an eye on for sure though. Jordyn Brooks, senior. At a position this year where we've failed miserably to stay healthy this kid could help out with 47 starts in college. I don't think he's missed a game yet. And he's always all over the damn place from what I have seen so far. Could be there for the taking in RD3 but could shoot up boards as a RD2 guy after the combine. 

Another name I like is Shaquille Quarterman out of Miami. Again, another long standing senior that's shown the ability to stay healthy and play sideline to sideline. Also has flashed the ability to run through the line and steal some hits on the QB. Not the best in pass coverage but he could be a RD4 guy for sure that can develop. If he has a strong front four in front of him he can keep himself clean and secure the running game IMHO here.

I watched a kid the other night that really intrigued me. Logan Wilson of Wyoming is a 6'2" 250 lb. ILB. He had 8 tackles and an interception against Colorado State the other night and he was all over the field. In that game, Wyoming held Colorado State to 1.6 yards per carry and Wilson was a big part of that. On the season he has 80 Tackles, 7 TFL, 1 sack and 3 INT's. I'd like the team to consider him in the mid to latter rounds.
Evan Weaver is another guy. Has over 320 tackles the last 2 years, 7 sacks, and has 3 FF this year
This is a very weak Lb class. Don't have faith in guys like Weaver, Harrison or Quaterman being anything but coverage liabilities at the next level so wouldn't spend much more than a day 3 pick.

Simmons is going to be good but likely wouldn't use a top 15 pick on him
Simmons is a stud I just dont know if he has the size or what it takes to play MLB. If whoever the coaching keeps Myles at MLB then I would draft him to play weak side
(11-29-2019, 06:39 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]This is a very weak Lb class. Don't have faith in guys like Weaver, Harrison or Quaterman being anything but coverage liabilities at the next level so wouldn't spend much more than a day 3 pick.

Simmons is going to be good but likely wouldn't use a top 15 pick on him

Really two different kinds of linebackers. Simmons is an 4-3 OLB who really doesn't translate to being moved inside, he's been playing SAM since moving to linebacker from Safety. Weaver, and Quarterman are pure MLB's while Harrison has experience at both positions, but spends most of the time on the outside. We need a thumping ILB, so Jack can be moved back out to WLB, where he belongs.

(11-29-2019, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons is a stud I just dont know if he has the size or what it takes to play MLB.  If whoever the coaching keeps Myles at MLB then I would draft him to play weak side

Agreed. He is very good, but he's an OLB only. I'd really prefer to get a thumping MLB and move Jack to WLB.
(11-29-2019, 07:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 06:39 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]This is a very weak Lb class. Don't have faith in guys like Weaver, Harrison or Quaterman being anything but coverage liabilities at the next level so wouldn't spend much more than a day 3 pick.

Simmons is going to be good but likely wouldn't use a top 15 pick on him

Really two different kinds of linebackers. Simmons is an 4-3 OLB who really doesn't translate to being moved inside, he's been playing SAM since moving to linebacker from Safety. Weaver, and Quarterman are pure MLB's while Harrison has experience at both positions, but spends most of the time on the outside. We need a thumping ILB, so Jack can be moved back out to WLB, where he belongs.

(11-29-2019, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons is a stud I just dont know if he has the size or what it takes to play MLB.  If whoever the coaching keeps Myles at MLB then I would draft him to play weak side

Agreed. He is very good, but he's an OLB only. I'd really prefer to get a thumping MLB and move Jack to WLB.

 No point having a thumping MLB if they can't hang the passing game. Guys like Weaver and Harrison just look like the Tyler Matakevich types to me.  

If you want an early down thumper you can find them pretty easily in FA and late rounds.
(11-29-2019, 08:38 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-29-2019, 07:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Really two different kinds of linebackers. Simmons is an 4-3 OLB who really doesn't translate to being moved inside, he's been playing SAM since moving to linebacker from Safety. Weaver, and Quarterman are pure MLB's while Harrison has experience at both positions, but spends most of the time on the outside. We need a thumping ILB, so Jack can be moved back out to WLB, where he belongs.


Agreed. He is very good, but he's an OLB only. I'd really prefer to get a thumping MLB and move Jack to WLB.

 No point having a thumping MLB if they can't hang the passing game. Guys like Weaver and Harrison just look like the Tyler Matakevich types to me.  

If you want an early down thumper you can find them pretty easily in FA and late rounds.

Anything is better than having Myles Jack out there on running downs, whiffing on tackles.
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