This is not a GM issue and that kind of talk makes zero sense considering the growth in talent level. As long as Caldwell continues to bring in quality to compete and possibly replace players, I'm good. For the first time we saw difficult cuts prior to the season. It will only get more difficult. This goes for bringing in QBs as well.
I'm not worried about Blake's mechanics. It is the decision making and pressure to force a play that is the issue. His mechanics have always sucked and they always will. When/if he gets back to making consistent plays, we'll forget all about his "mechanics".
Quote:Don't be ridiculous, Cam is light years better than Bortles at this point, he's also played against (arguably) the two best defenses in football in Denver & Minnesota.
And he's played like trash.
And there's nothing wrong with being critical. I just meant there are threads saying he's a coward, an idiot, and that he needs to be cut. I'll worry if he can't get right. But a lot of qbs have started slow over the years, I'm not concerned at this point. And as others have said, I'd be willing to say the poor development of him and others by the coaching staff is more of the cause than "Blake sucks"
Daves fault again? How many relatives do we have of Gus's on this board?
Quote:And he's played like trash.
And there's nothing wrong with being critical. I just meant there are threads saying he's a coward, an idiot, and that he needs to be cut. I'll worry if he can't get right. But a lot of qbs have started slow over the years, I'm not concerned at this point. And as others have said, I'd be willing to say the poor development of him and others by the coaching staff is more of the cause than "Blake sucks"
Then you should post that argument in
those threads, this thread has nothing to do with calling Blake a "coward" or saying he "sucks", I don't post such immature garbage. Listen, I'd like to believe "he'll get it right" also, the counter argument is if he continues to play this poorly, i don't know how that wouldn't cause any concern, and considering we've seen this exact situation play out not only in Jacksonville but around the league in general, I think the argument that I posted is a valid one.
Quote:Daves fault again? How many relatives do we have of Gus's on this board?
This thread isn't about "blaming" anyone, it's a hypothetical situation that could turn into a reality, please show me where I blamed Dave.
Quote:I don't understand how it's a "premature line of reasoning", especially considering if he continues (the point of the post to begin with) to play this poorly heading into the off-season. We've scene this exact scenario play-out over and over again, not only in Jacksonville, but Miami (with Ryan Tannehill) comes to mind, again, Blake can dispel this situation by improving his play over the next 13 games, but if he doesn't it's more than fair to question his long-term value to this organization moving forward.
Young and raw QB has a typical rookie year with flaws
Young and raw QB shows great improvement in year 2
Young QB regresses during two of three games in year 3
Fire GM
---------------------------
THAT ^^ makes sense to you?????
If a new coach doesn't believe he can be a franchise level QB
after seeing tape from this complete season, I can see drafting a QB.
Firing the GM over a guy that showed a lot of promise but couldn't exorcise all his demons.... that doesn't compute with me.
Quote:This thread isn't about "blaming" anyone, it's a hypothetical situation that could turn into a reality, please show me where I blamed Dave.
Hi Gus's brother. Nice to have you on this board.
Quote:You infer blame in your title.
I was fixing to say this too. It said it that's why I clicked on it.
Quote: Blame in your title?
This thread has nothing to do with "blaming" David Caldwell, but everything to do with
questioning David's ability to
honestly and
unbiasedly assess Blake's play moving forward, assuming Blake continues to play this poorly. I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense to you, if it doesn't make sense then I'm wasting time trying to explain it, in the world I come from, there's a difference between "blame" and "questioning".
Quote:This thread has nothing to do with "blaming" David Caldwell, but everything to do with questioning David's ability to honestly and unbiasedly assess Blake's play moving forward, assuming Blake continues to play this poorly. I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense to you, if it doesn't make sense then I'm wasting time trying to explain it, in the world I come from, there's a difference between "blame" and "questioning".
Start with the coach first. Jack is still on the bench and everyone besides Gus has no reason why.
Quote:This thread has nothing to do with "blaming" David Caldwell, but everything to do with questioning David's ability to honestly and unbiasedly assess Blake's play moving forward, assuming Blake continues to play this poorly. I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense to you, if it doesn't make sense then I'm wasting time trying to explain it, in the world I come from, there's a difference between "blame" and "questioning".
You can dance and redirect all you want. I find it funny how a majority of posts in here have interpreted it the same way. So fine, you question Dave's ability to scout and assess. You don't move on from a GM because one player didn't work out. How does that not make sense to you? If the entire roster goes to trash, then we can have this discussion.
Quote:Young and raw QB has a typical rookie year with flaws
Young and raw QB shows great improvement in year 2
Young QB regresses during two of three games in year 3
Fire GM
---------------------------
THAT ^^ makes sense to you?????
1. An elongated throwing motion with a hitch in the delivery isn't a "typical" rookie flaw, how many rookies come out of college throwing a football like a baseball? The only typical about his rookie struggles was ability (or lack thereof) of reading coverage's
2. He undoubtedly showed great improvement as a sophomore, aided by a vertical passing attack that masked the elongated throwing motion.
3. He's regressed in fundamentals, accuracy, situational football, and the ability to accurately read coverage, it's more than just a "typical" 3rd year regression.
The fact of the matter is this offense is no longer sneaking up on opposing defenses, teams are playing their safeties back while funneling coverage over to A-Robs side of the field, effectively taking the "50-50" balls away. Smart coordinators are forcing Blake to attack the short to intermediate part of the field, he's not effective in the area for a variety of reasons, he doesn't see the field well, his elongated motion telegraphs his reads while effecting his ball placement/accuracy. This is an honest (and accurate) assessment of his current play, to be perfectly hones, I'd have no concerns about Blake long-term if it weren't for that throwing motion, I just think it will be difficult to fix a problem that has a direct effect on attributes (like accuracy) that are critical to success in this league.
Quote:Premature line of reasoning IMO.
Blake is fixable.
We've seen him tighten up his mechanics before. Clearly and plainly - he improved aspects of his game.
It wasn't all just receivers making him look good.
He got better.
Now he's regressed.
With a proper staff and training regimen he can play that way more often.
Agreed. The problem with this team isn't the GM.
Quote:You can dance and redirect all you want. I find it funny how a majority of posts in here have interpreted it the same way. So fine, you question Dave's ability to scout and assess. You don't move on from a GM because one player didn't work out. How does that not make sense to you? If the entire roster goes to trash, then we can have this discussion.
How am I dancing and redirecting? Also, I never questioned Davids ability to "scout", your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. This thread has nothing to do with scouting, it has everything to do with Dave's being able (because of pride/ego etc...) to potentially move on from a QB that has fundamental flaws like Blake has, like I said earlier, if Dave truly believes these flaws are "fixable" with coaching, then so be it. I simply have my doubts, when was the last a QB (at this level) was able to successfully change his throwing motion? It's crucial that he does, this offense will never be effective in the short to intermediate passing game if Blake doesn't get rid of the ball quicker, no offense can rely on the "chunk plays" the Jaguars got last year, teams have effectively taken that away.
Quote:Start with the coach first. Jack is still on the bench and everyone besides Gus has no reason why.
His throwing motion has nothing to do with Gus Bradley and everything to do with muscle memory, we agree that Gus Bradley is arguably the worst coach in NFL history, and deserves a lot of the blame for a lot o things that have gone wrong in Jacksonville, but blaming Blake's mechanical regression on Gus is ridiculous, guys usually revert to whats they're familiar with under stress.
Quote:I mean, it's been 3 games....
Cam Newton has thrown one less INT, has been sacked 3 more times, and has taken a safety. Guess it's time for Carolina to cut bait too.
Let's just take a breather on the Bortles hate for a while.
blake hasnt shown a fraction of the talent cam has this is a terrible analogy
Bortles would be way better on a team with real coaches and an offensive line that could get a RB more than 1 ypc. I think nearly all of your "franchise QBs" would be failing in this situation (terrible coaching staff and 1 legitimate starting offensive lineman-who's actually hurt most of the time)
Quote:blake hasnt shown a fraction of the talent cam has this is a terrible analogy
I'm not comparing Blake to Cam directly. I'm saying that even good qbs can struggle, that doesn't make them a bad qb.
Basically, just because Blake is struggling to start the year, doesn't mean he's not or can not be a good qb. It means he's struggling right now.
Quote:How am I dancing and redirecting? Also, I never questioned Davids ability to "scout", your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. This thread has nothing to do with scouting, it has everything to do with Dave's being able (because of pride/ego etc...) to potentially move on from a QB that has fundamental flaws like Blake has, like I said earlier, if Dave truly believes these flaws are "fixable" with coaching, then so be it. I simply have my doubts, when was the last a QB (at this level) was able to successfully change his throwing motion? It's crucial that he does, this offense will never be effective in the short to intermediate passing game if Blake doesn't get rid of the ball quicker, no offense can rely on the "chunk plays" the Jaguars got last year, teams have effectively taken that away.
You know what a GM is responsible for, correct? Is it your intelligence or my reading comprehension? You are "questioning" whether Dave has the cajones to admit his scouting/assessment mistakes as it pertains to Blake and move on to a new QB. So you propose a new GM because of one players ability and the "questioning" of one GMs loyalty. Do you honestly think Dave would bend over the team for one player?
Blake isn't going anywhere based on his mechanics alone. It has been a know issue from day one and has not and will not change. He has masked it well at times with proper play execution. This is why it is so noticeable now. He is not properly executing plays. He is staring down, not going through progressions, not anticipating throws, and forcing at the last second. Teams know the Jags are one dimensional right now and adjusted per last years game film. Blake has been forced to shoulder the load alone. So far...Fail!