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Quote:Josh Rosen 2018 and along with Jim Mora Jr.  Chaammmmppiiioonnshiiiipppp

Or trade with the packers for Brett Hundley (Cam Newton Jr) lol

 

Hmmm didn't we trade for a backup packers QB in the past?

Quote:Or trade with the packers for Brett Hundley (Cam Newton Jr) lol
 
Hmmm didn't we trade for a backup packers QB in the past?

No way to Hundley, he sucks. Say no to duel thread spread QBs.

Quote:1. An elongated throwing motion with a hitch in the delivery isn't a "typical" rookie flaw, how many rookies come out of college throwing a football like a baseball? The only typical about his rookie struggles was ability (or lack thereof) of reading coverage's

 

 

2. He undoubtedly showed great improvement as a sophomore, aided by a vertical passing attack that masked the elongated throwing motion.

 

 

3. He's regressed in fundamentals, accuracy, situational football, and the ability to accurately read coverage, it's more than just a "typical" 3rd year regression. 


 

The fact of the matter is this offense is no longer sneaking up on opposing defenses, teams are playing their safeties back while funneling coverage over to A-Robs side of the field, effectively taking the "50-50" balls away. 

 

All of the bolded is overstatement of the facts.  His accuracy has affected the 50/50 balls more than the safety coverage.  It's not defenses "figuring out Blake's whole game."  It's Blake individually screwing up. He can fix that.

 And no one ever called his regression this season "typical." 

It's not. He's going to require no small amount of help getting his game together properly.  I just happen to think it's do-able. 

 

Now - if a new coach doesn't see him as fixable, then you let the GM find another QB.  Firing the GM because a really promising player didn't quite work out would be a dumb move IMO.  Blake's current setback doesn't add up to a change at GM.  

Quote:yup, he'll never have Rodgers, brady, manning type release, footwork.  It will always be like Leftwich and Tebow.  They tried to have their motion changed and failed.  Time to find a new QB.

 

 

Ridiculous to compare him to Byron, and more ridiculous to compare him to teblow.  

I don't believe Blake will continue to play poorly. I may be wrong, but I have confidence that he will snap out of it.

Quote:Premature line of reasoning IMO.


Blake is fixable.


We've seen him tighten up his mechanics before. Clearly and plainly - he improved aspects of his game.

It wasn't all just receivers making him look good.

He got better.

Now he's regressed.


With a proper staff and training regimen he can play that way more often.

Extremely premature. If Blake was released today there would be 31 teams lined up ready to claim him. Blake has the tools and his issues are fixable and every single coach would probably be able to fix him outside of Gus.

On the same token there would also be 25+ teams looking to hire Caldwell as a GM if he was let out of his contract today. Sure, he's not perfect and there have been some misses but his hits outweigh his misses and that's what counts. There's no denying the talent he's added to this roster and under a different coach we'd probably be sitting at 2-1 right now even with Blake's struggles.

I'd rather we bring in another QB to compete first.

 

I couldn't care less about who's name is on the GM office, as long as we've got our franchise QB.

Quote:All of the bolded is overstatement of the facts.  His accuracy has affected the 50/50 balls more than the safety coverage.  It's not defenses "figuring out Blake's whole game."  It's Blake individually screwing up. He can fix that.

 And no one ever called his regression this season "typical." 

It's not. He's going to require no small amount of help getting his game together properly.  I just happen to think it's do-able. 

 

Now - if a new coach doesn't see him as fixable, then you let the GM find another QB.  Firing the GM because a really promising player didn't quite work out would be a dumb move IMO.  Blake's current setback doesn't add up to a change at GM.  

 

Defenses rarely shadowed A-Rob over the top with safeties last year, just watch the pre-snap movement of safeties this year compared to last, they're rolling coverage to A-Robs side of the field, after-all that's only logical given the fact that he's a vertical threat. His accuracy has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of the 50/50 balls, the opportunities simply haven't been there because of extra attention/bracketed coverage on Allen Robinson.

D-coordinators are essentially daring Blake to attack the short to intermediate part of the field, where accuracy and ball placement are crucial,  he's struggled to adjust because he isn't very accurate, and the elongated throwing motion gives defenders an extra .5-1 seconds (an eternity in the NFL for d-backs) to break on the ball. Like i said earlier, if David believes these issues are indeed coach-able and fixable great, I personally can't think of too many (if any) QB's that haven been able to successfully alter such an elongated motion.

Quote:Extremely premature. If Blake was released today there would be 31 teams lined up ready to claim him. Blake has the tools and his issues are fixable and every single coach would probably be able to fix him outside of Gus.

 

No one is advocating the release of Blake "today", that's why the threat is prefaced with "if Blake continues to struggle". If the guy continues to play at such a poor level, I'm not sure how anyone can be certain that he's the "guy" moving forward. We seem to be blaming everyone for Blakes struggles but "Blake"

Quote:No one is advocating the release of Blake "today", that's why the threat is prefaced with "if Blake continues to struggle" If the guy continues to play at such a poor level, I'm not sure how anyone can be certain that he's the "guy" moving forward. We seem to be blaming everyone for Blakes struggles but "Blake"

I understand that. I just presented a hypothetical situation. Blake is ultimately responsible for how his career will pan out but can anyone here state without a fact that this coaching staff is putting him in the best situations to succeed? I've been plenty critical of Bortles but he is one part of the equation. Every QB has a weakness or weaknesses. It's up to the staff to help cover those weaknesses amirite? He seemed to do pretty well last year. This year the offensive play calling has been questionable at best.

Quote:I understand that. I just presented a hypothetical situation. Blake is ultimately responsible for how his career will pan out but can anyone here state without a fact that this coaching staff is putting him in the best situations to succeed? I've been plenty critical of Bortles but he is one part of the equation. Every QB has a weakness or weaknesses. It's up to the staff to help cover those weaknesses amirite? He seemed to do pretty well last year. This year the offensive play calling has been questionable at best.

 

Speaking of coaching staffs I was just reading this article https://coachad.com/articles/football-4-...qb-drills/, it's supposedly Jim Harbaugh's favorite QB coaching drills. Blake would be well served to spend the entire off-season mastering drill #2 (quick release drill), I think it's crucial to his long-term success and viability as a franchise QB. David needs to a hire a head-coach with a track record of successfully developing QB's, if Blake is able to fix that throwing motion (again I have my doubts) his upside is through the roof, I would love nothing more for him to prove me wrong.

Quote:Defenses rarely shadowed A-Rob over the top with safeties last year, just watch the pre-snap movement of safeties this year compared to last, they're rolling coverage to A-Robs side of the field, after-all that's only logical given the fact that he's a vertical threat. His accuracy has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of the 50/50 balls, the opportunities simply haven't been there because of extra attention/bracketed coverage on Allen Robinson.

 

 

I believe that statement to be false.  

 

His accuracy has affected Robinson's opportunities more than coverage.  The coverage has made a negative difference, but Blake has missed him so badly at times it was no longer a 50/50 ball.  It was just simply uncatchable.  

Quote:I believe that statement to be false.  

 

His accuracy has affected Robinson's opportunities more than coverage.  The coverage has made a negative difference, but Blake has missed him so badly at times it was no longer a 50/50 ball.  It was just simply uncatchable.  

 

He also threw some last year that were un-catchable, my point is the lack of success of the deep ball has more to do with teams taking it away, as opposed to Blake simply being "inaccurate". It reminds me in baseball where a hitter comes up from the minors and tears the cover off the ball for a couple of months, then struggles when pitchers find out he can't hit a high fastball or layoff a curve in the dirt. It's the same premise in football, teams are always going to force your weakness, right now Blake's weakness is consistency in the short/intermediate part of the field, due to his ball placement and elongated motion. If he's able to "correct" that issue in the off-season he'll have a chance to be a great QB.

Quote:...my point is the lack of success of the deep ball has more to do with teams taking it away, as opposed to Blake simply being "inaccurate".

 

Right. We just disagree here. No big deal.  I think it's the opposite relationship. More to do with accuracy than the change in coverage. 

 

Either way - they are both contributing.  One of them is fixable.  I don't think a new GM is the fix I want to see. 

What Blake is looking like in week twelve will tell us a hell of a lot more than what we've seen in two games.

( he showed very little regression in the GB game comparatively - thus we'e seen two bad games )

 

Thinking GM right now is grossly premature for Blake.  In December maybe it's a real convo.

Quote:Right. We just disagree here. No big deal.  I think it's the opposite relationship. More to do with accuracy than the change in coverage. 

 

Either way - they are both contributing.  One of them is fixable.  I don't think a new GM is the fix I want to see. 

What Blake is looking like in week twelve will tell us a hell of a lot more than what we've seen in two games.

( he showed very little regression in the GB game comparatively - thus we'e seen two bad games )

 

Thinking GM right now is grossly premature for Blake.  In December maybe it's a real convo.

 

i agree, if he comes out and lights up a bad Colts secondary on Sunday morning, that will ease some of the concerns I have. Just want to see him play better

Quote:i agree, if he comes out and lights up a bad Colts secondary on Sunday morning, that will ease some of the concerns I have. Just want to see him play better

 

Colts rank 27th against the pass, and Bortles should be able to have some success against them.  They did get starting CB Vontae Davis back, however,  and he'll help that ranking improve.

 Nonetheless -  Blake will have some mismatches to exploit elsewhere in their secondary. 

Quote:Colts rank 27th against the pass, and Bortles should be able to have some success against them.  They did get starting CB Vontae Davis back, however,  and he'll help that ranking improve.

 Nonetheless -  Blake will have some mismatches to exploit elsewhere in their secondary. 

 

Yea Vontae did a good job on A-Rob last year, this is a game where both Hurns and JT should have success, the Colts 2nd corner (Ant Cromartie haha) was beaten like drum last year by Hurns, and the Colts linebackers are incredibly slow, the middle of the field should be wide open.

I don't think getting a new GM is the answer as Caldwell has brought in some very good talent. Can't we just fire Bradley and the waterboy and call it a day?

If Blake continues to struggle I would be indifferent. Dave has undoubtedly raised the talent level of the team, but so would anyone else seeing as how bad the talent level was to begin with. How many GMs survive missing their swings at HC and QB? 

 

I would only support keeping Dave as GM if the head coach he hires has carte blanche to replace Blake if he feels that is needed. My fear is that Dave will make it a stipulation that the head coach has to try to fix Blake first and foremost, and that will drive off many of the top head coach candidates. 

 

All of the snippets this offseason about Blake's reputation among coaches/front offices in the league not being nearly as high as fans/media definitely ring true now. I don't think taking over this team and being forced with Blake would be that attractive of a job for someone like McDaniels or Haley.