The reason why I say this is because the new coaching staff and front office don't have any ties to the current quarterbacks on the roster and is most likely want to draft their own QB in the 2020 NFL draft because the deepness of next year's crop. It's going to be hard for any quarterback to join this franchise with Minshew Mania at full effect. No new coaching staff or front office want that type of distraction especially if they didn't draft or develop that particular person.
I promise you I'm not a hater of Gardner Minshew but I see the same similarities to Jeremy Lin and Linsanity in New York and how they had to get rid of him so Carmelo Anthony can regain his team at the time. If anyone agree or disagree with my current stance on the situation feel free to respond back because I want to hear everybody opinion on it.
Sure, trade away your young, cheap, talented, and nationally popular player at the notoriously most difficult position to fill in all of sports. Sounds like a recipe for disaster success.
I would say at this time it's more than highly unlikely regardless of who the next head coach will be that Minshew ends up being traded. There's no rush to trade him. He's already proven to be a low risk, high reward draft pick from this year's class. He's under contract for a low hit against our cap.
I don't care if this team trades up to the Numero Uno selection in the 2020 draft for Joe Burrow. Which, again, also seems highly unlikely that any team would be willing to let this kid escape from their possession such as the Bengals or Dolphins. But, in the off chance they do pull off some kind of QB selection between Burrow & Tagovailoa? That's fine.
It just means you'll have a healthy QB competition going into next summer during training camp with some pretty staggering possibilities going into the regular season. Could Minshew be traded down the road? Certainly. But there's no reason to trade him that quickly for a vast number of reasons. Let him ride the pine like Jimmy Garoppolo did in New England for awhile and flip him for a 1st or 2nd RD pick in due time.
(12-08-2019, 08:59 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would say at this time it's more than highly unlikely regardless of who the next head coach will be that Minshew ends up being traded. There's no rush to trade him. He's already proven to be a low risk, high reward draft pick from this year's class. He's under contract for a low hit against our cap.
I don't care if this team trades up to the Numero Uno selection in the 2020 draft for Joe Burrow. Which, again, also seems highly unlikely that any team would be willing to let this kid escape from their possession such as the Bengals or Dolphins. But, in the off chance they do pull off some kind of QB selection between Burrow & Tagovailoa? That's fine.
It just means you'll have a healthy QB competition going into next summer during training camp with some pretty staggering possibilities going into the regular season. Could Minshew be traded down the road? Certainly. But there's no reason to trade him that quickly for a vast number of reasons. Let him ride the pine like Jimmy Garoppolo did in New England for awhile and flip him for a 1st or 2nd RD pick in due time.
They won't carry 3 QBs and they can't be rid of Foles, so I just don't think they go QB in the draft next year. It's a draft to get big men in the trenches, the specialists are more than adequate with them and outright worthless without them.
You can too eat the cap hit of Foles he is done here so the cap is already dead so just do it. Roll with Minshew and Dobbs and if a qb falls in the draft do it if they are in love with them if not just go into next year see what Minshew can do with a solid upgraded line and go from there..
If they trade Minshew they might as well move the team as will anger a lot of fans.
(12-08-2019, 09:43 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]You can too eat the cap hit of Foles he is done here so the cap is already dead so just do it. Roll with Minshew and Dobbs and if a qb falls in the draft do it if they are in love with them if not just go into next year see what Minshew can do with a solid upgraded line and go from there..
I don't think the Jags are willing to have an $18m cap hit next year for a guy who isn't here. Especially when he could fill in just fine as the back up, at least you get
something for that money.
It appears I am in the minority, but, unless a super rookie QB drops to them in the draft, I foresee them going with both Minshew and Foles next year at QB. With Minshew's minimal salary, it allows the Jags to retain the expensive Foles on the roster for another year, when they can release or trade him more economically favorably the following year.
(12-08-2019, 10:02 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]It appears I am in the minority, but, unless a super rookie QB drops to them in the draft, I foresee them going with both Minshew and Foles next year at QB. With Minshew's minimal salary, it allows the Jags to retain the expensive Foles on the roster for another year, when they can release or trade him more economically favorably the following year.
Agreed
(12-08-2019, 10:02 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]It appears I am in the minority, but, unless a super rookie QB drops to them in the draft, I foresee them going with both Minshew and Foles next year at QB. With Minshew's minimal salary, it allows the Jags to retain the expensive Foles on the roster for another year, when they can release or trade him more economically favorably the following year.
Definitely not in the minority around here in regards to seeing Minshew and Foles on the team again in 2020. I think that'll be the main story line of 2020 for this football team. I have been a pretty big advocate so far with this team leaning towards the offensive line in the first round next year with
BOTH picks if the value is right.
Whether that's a combination of Wirfs / Biadasz or Leatherwood / Adams remains to be seen. But realistically they could improve the offensive line by adding a pair of top prospects and by potentially moving Linder and Robinson around to better support the running game in between the tackles.
Also. If Foles & Minshew fail under the new regime in 2020 there's always Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields and potentially another "Joe Burrow" type of QB that comes on strong and out of nowhere that rises up the 2021's big board at the QB position for us to opt out with. No need to rush the QB position. We've done this several times throughout the last 15 years. Never worked out.
I'd be really surprised. The new staff wont have any ties to Minshew but they aren't blind.
(12-08-2019, 10:18 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be really surprised. The new staff wont have any ties to Minshew but they aren't blind.
If they're that stupid then we are in for another 5 years of misery.
(12-08-2019, 08:33 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]The reason why I say this is because the new coaching staff and front office don't have any ties to the current quarterbacks on the roster and is most likely want to draft their own QB in the 2020 NFL draft because the deepness of next year's crop. It's going to be hard for any quarterback to join this franchise with Minshew Mania at full effect. No new coaching staff or front office want that type of distraction especially if they didn't draft or develop that particular person.
I promise you I'm not a hater of Gardner Minshew but I see the same similarities to Jeremy Lin and Linsanity in New York and how they had to get rid of him so Carmelo Anthony can regain his team at the time. If anyone agree or disagree with my current stance on the situation feel free to respond back because I want to hear everybody opinion on it.
I had mentioned this earlier because new coaches frequently do want to go with "their guy" when there's no one who's a clearly established franchise player. I still see a good chance that Minshew stays on the team as a backup or even an interim starter because he's cheap and has shown he can help win games. I could see a new staff trying to trade Foles but if unable then keeping him on the roster for another year while they groom a draft pick. Minshew's role is most likely not as a franchise QB but as a long time trusted backup and a great guy to have in the QB room.
This scenario makes absolutely no sense.
Has there ever been an example of a team trading away the younger, cheaper, better QB over the older, more expensive QB who’s been clearly outplayed and abilities are now being questioned?
(12-08-2019, 11:08 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]This scenario makes absolutely no sense.
Has there ever been an example of a team trading away the younger, cheaper, better QB over the older, more expensive QB who’s been clearly outplayed and abilities are now being questioned?
#becausejaguarfan
Trading Minshew would be great, because he is soo cheap and looks to have a very positive upside....so ill gladly take the 3 first rounders for him
(12-08-2019, 11:47 AM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]Trading Minshew would be great, because he is soo cheap and looks to have a very positive upside....so ill gladly take the 3 first rounders for him
I would trade him to Miami right now for the 4th, 22nd & 25th overall picks and not even blink. Take my chances with Tagovailoa at QB competing with Foles next summer and bolster the offensive line later on during the night with Biadasz at C & Wanogho at LT.
They do this and it might very well be my nail in the coffin.....
(12-08-2019, 11:08 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]This scenario makes absolutely no sense.
Has there ever been an example of a team trading away the younger, cheaper, better QB over the older, more expensive QB who’s been clearly outplayed and abilities are now being questioned?
I disagree this makes perfect sense because let's be honest, this is a unique situation. To answer your question, the New England Patriots with Jimmy G and Tom Brady was the closest example I could think of follow up by Scott Mitchell and Dan Marino in Miami, Jay Feely and Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia under Andy Reid.
Let me preface by saying I don't have a problem with Gardner Minshew but with the new coaching staff and front office unless he's a established bona fide top 10 quarterback in their evaluation I can see a scenario where they might feel having him on the roster if they want to draft their own quarterback in the upcoming NFL draft. Gardner Minshew at the most popular quarterback in Jaguars history and I have been a season-ticket holder even through the good old days of Jaguar dominance of the 90s.
Gardner Minshew's popularity is Maurice Jones-Drew like where he's now bigger than the team itself among the fan base so although Nick Foles is a worst QB than Gardner Minshew the new coaching staff and office can treat Foles like a bridge QB because of the money but can't approached Minshew under the same circumstances because of his popularity. I personally don't know what going to happen this off-season it because a lot of things have to fall in place in order for me to get a clear picture of the franchise plan of action but it's clear that whoever takes this job it's going to have a situation on their hands with the QB position either way.
That would be the ultimate jags move lol