(12-27-2019, 11:07 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2019, 01:55 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]Can we please not do this again? The 49ers have shown that it shouldn't take 7 years to build a team.
They have had 5 straight non winning seasons, with recent records of 2-14, 6-10, and 4-12.
So 6 is the number that works?
The new regime took over just 2 seasons ago is that posters point. And turned a perennial crappy team into a SB contender.
(12-27-2019, 10:58 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2019, 10:07 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]When people say franchise QB I think they actually mean a Hall of fame QB. Phillip Rivers etc aren't sniffing a championship on this team. They wouldn't even make the playoffs.
Hey we just saw that with Nick Foles. A good team is far more important than the QB, unless the QB is Brady or Brees.
THIS
The Brady's and Rodgers and Brees come around once in awhile.
Field of Dreams this thing. If you build it they (the QB) will come.
Hell, the Cowboys were able to do a lot with a 4th round QB from Ms St. Now everyone can have their doubts about his long term "franchise QB" status. But his rookie year they had 13 wins. Last season was 10-6. Hell, this year will be the first year without a winning record with that guy.
What do they have? An all star OL. A very good RB. Weapons around him.
Build the team. The QB should come close to last. (I think RB should be last, because you can get pretty good guys that'll be very good behind a really good OL)
Fix the lines. Start there. Protect the QB and get after the QB. Run the ball and stop the run. It all starts there.
Build from the inside out on both sides of the ball.
(12-27-2019, 11:09 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:07 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]They have had 5 straight non winning seasons, with recent records of 2-14, 6-10, and 4-12.
So 6 is the number that works?
The new regime took over just 2 seasons ago is that posters point. And turned a perennial crappy team into a SB contender.
To this 49ers discussion, They have been rebuilding forever. I am hesitant to just give credit to the new regime since they have been trying to get back to SB form since they cut their QB. They dug this hole for themselves. I highly doubt they have a fully revamped roster top to bottom in these 2 years that they are getting success from. This isnt a young roster with 3 to 4 yr players.
(12-27-2019, 11:46 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:09 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]The new regime took over just 2 seasons ago is that posters point. And turned a perennial crappy team into a SB contender.
To this 49ers discussion, They have been rebuilding forever. I am hesitant to just give credit to the new regime since they have been trying to get back to SB form since they cut their QB. They dug this hole for themselves. I highly doubt they have a fully revamped roster top to bottom in these 2 years that they are getting success from. This isnt a young roster with 3 to 4 yr players.
Yeah they been building for awhile and that whole dline is top 5-10 picks
(12-27-2019, 11:46 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:09 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]The new regime took over just 2 seasons ago is that posters point. And turned a perennial crappy team into a SB contender.
To this 49ers discussion, They have been rebuilding forever. I am hesitant to just give credit to the new regime since they have been trying to get back to SB form since they cut their QB. They dug this hole for themselves. I highly doubt they have a fully revamped roster top to bottom in these 2 years that they are getting success from. This isnt a young roster with 3 to 4 yr players.
Coaching and management matters.
The scheme fit changes for the players that were already there. The signing a bunch of guys at RB instead of wasting draft capital on a top ten RB. Trading for Jimmy G. Adding guys like Richard Sherman in free agency (and E. Sanders prior to trade deadline) I believe getting Kittle was this regimes first draft.
These are the moves that matter. Yes they've acquired quite a bit of talent on their front 7 from years past... but the offensive turnaround is why they are winning.
Furthermore, the years between Harbaugh and Shanahan were spent middling around and doing nothing. And instead of giving THOSE guys 7 years... ownership pulled the plug and the new guys turned it around in 2 (well, IN their 3rd season... probably woulda been better last year had Jimmy G not tore his ACL)
(12-27-2019, 01:20 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:46 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]To this 49ers discussion, They have been rebuilding forever. I am hesitant to just give credit to the new regime since they have been trying to get back to SB form since they cut their QB. They dug this hole for themselves. I highly doubt they have a fully revamped roster top to bottom in these 2 years that they are getting success from. This isnt a young roster with 3 to 4 yr players.
Coaching and management matters.
Proof:
https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/statu...7889702913
(12-27-2019, 01:20 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:46 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]To this 49ers discussion, They have been rebuilding forever. I am hesitant to just give credit to the new regime since they have been trying to get back to SB form since they cut their QB. They dug this hole for themselves. I highly doubt they have a fully revamped roster top to bottom in these 2 years that they are getting success from. This isnt a young roster with 3 to 4 yr players.
Coaching and management matters.
The scheme fit changes for the players that were already there. The signing a bunch of guys at RB instead of wasting draft capital on a top ten RB. Trading for Jimmy G. Adding guys like Richard Sherman in free agency (and E. Sanders prior to trade deadline) I believe getting Kittle was this regimes first draft.
These are the moves that matter. Yes they've acquired quite a bit of talent on their front 7 from years past... but the offensive turnaround is why they are winning.
Furthermore, the years between Harbaugh and Shanahan were spent middling around and doing nothing. And instead of giving THOSE guys 7 years... ownership pulled the plug and the new guys turned it around in 2 (well, IN their 3rd season... probably woulda been better last year had Jimmy G not tore his ACL)
This new regime did fix the woes that they had. My point is this, we have passed on TE talent and OL talent for mutliple drafts and now its biting us. WE could still be a contender had this FO not passed on those positions for players like taven bryan etc. Its easy to do when your FO has the intellegence of a 12 year old. We just have a FO full of toddlers that act stupid come the 1st rd of the draft.
My brother mentioned he saw a mock draft with us taking Hurts in the 3rd. I'd be cool with that.
(12-28-2019, 08:33 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]My brother mentioned he saw a mock draft with us taking Hurts in the 3rd. I'd be cool with that.
I hope not. Did you see him play today?
(12-28-2019, 09:49 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 08:33 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]My brother mentioned he saw a mock draft with us taking Hurts in the 3rd. I'd be cool with that.
I hope not. Did you see him play today?
I'd still rather him than Tua.
They got destroyed in all phases today, no doubt, but over the course of the season I'd be ok with him in the 3rd
He'd be a waste of a 3rd rounder. Day 3 perhaps
Only way Hurts ends up in Jacksonville [maybe) is if Marrone is replaced with Roman and Roman feels he can operate the offense he has now in Baltimore with a very, very poor man's version of Lamar Jackson / Kyler Murray.
Other than that? No telling where he ends up. He'll probably end up in Baltimore, Arizona or Seattle though given those offensive systems may suit his skill sets early.
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Coming out of college, Lamar Jackson was graded as someone who didn't possess good ball accuracy - especially on deep throws. But look at him now.
I think what helps Lamar currently is that he has game-breaking speed and a couple of WRs who can straight up burn some rubber.
Hurts, however, doesn't possess that type of speed and he certainly doesn't mimic the same accuracy that Jackson is showing with the Ravens currently (but who knows, maybe he could change it up like Lamar).
I'd consider drafting him if he was available in the 4th round and seriously draft him if he was present in the 5th round or beyond - which I highly doubt would happen.
(12-28-2019, 09:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 09:49 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]I hope not. Did you see him play today?
I'd still rather him than Tua.
They got destroyed in all phases today, no doubt, but over the course of the season I'd be ok with him in the 3rd
He's not good. If they took him in the 3rd it would be a waste.
(12-29-2019, 07:28 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 09:58 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I'd still rather him than Tua.
They got destroyed in all phases today, no doubt, but over the course of the season I'd be ok with him in the 3rd
He's not good. If they took him in the 3rd it would be a waste.
Honestly this year IMO there's Burrow, and then there's everyone else.
Do you really want Dave Caldwell picking another QB? Better to just admit that 2020 will be another 10+ loss season and wait until we get another GM/HC in 2021.
(12-27-2019, 11:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 10:58 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]THIS
The Brady's and Rodgers and Brees come around once in awhile.
Field of Dreams this thing. If you build it they (the QB) will come.
Hell, the Cowboys were able to do a lot with a 4th round QB from Ms St. Now everyone can have their doubts about his long term "franchise QB" status. But his rookie year they had 13 wins. Last season was 10-6. Hell, this year will be the first year without a winning record with that guy.
What do they have? An all star OL. A very good RB. Weapons around him.
Build the team. The QB should come close to last. (I think RB should be last, because you can get pretty good guys that'll be very good behind a really good OL)
Fix the lines. Start there. Protect the QB and get after the QB. Run the ball and stop the run. It all starts there.
Build from the inside out on both sides of the ball.
What does every Dynasty have in common?...................................................................................................................A franchise QB.
Sure you can build a good enough team without one but the result is often a flash in the pan kinda team. If you want to sustain a winning culture the QB is the #1 priority above all.
(12-29-2019, 01:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2019, 11:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Build from the inside out on both sides of the ball.
What does every Dynasty have in common?...................................................................................................................A franchise QB.
Sure you can build a good enough team without one but the result is often a flash in the pan kinda team. If you want to sustain a winning culture the QB is the #1 priority above all.
Dynasty is subjective and extremely rare. Aaron Rodgers is great but the Packers aren't a dynasty, same with Peyton, Brees, Rothlisberger, Wilson...heck the best other 10 QBs of this era aren't dynasty QBs. Even the last generation had a couple guys (Montana, Aikman) who were truly great dynastic QBs whose success was as much about the great players around them as their own considerable skills. Does anyone really credit Terry Bradshaw for the Steelers dynasty? Nah, QBs (aside from what Brady has accomplished with mostly role players), win or lose based on the tools around them in addition to their own abilities. It's both, do you think this team is the QB away? Isn't that the reason why we signed Foles, because he has done what we think needs to be done? Or did he do them because he was on a stacked team with great coaching?
I agree with those saying you use your 2020 picks to address some of the massives holes in the roster on the OL, DL, LB and CB. Lay a foundation and ride out next year with Minshew.
At least put yourself in the mix for Trevor Lawrence, plus there's also Justin Fields if he proves worthy of a high pick. If it ended like this year again and say Cincy already has Burrow and picks 1st again, we have the ammo to move up from #4-8 or whatever it ends up being. It will be crazy expensive but if the opportunity is there go for it.
I say go OL with first 2 picks and then LB the next 2 or 3 picks.