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(03-10-2020, 01:28 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-10-2020, 12:58 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]The transition tag is definitely the way to go.

Let another team write the contract, match it, and tell Yan “tough luck”. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I disagree...  If we use the transition tag, we will lose Yan with no compensation.  Someone with cap room will sign him in a way that his cap hit this year will make it impossible for us to match.  A big first year roster bonus would be all it would take.  Unlike a signing bonus that is spread out over the life of the contract, a roster bonus hits all at once in that year.

The jags have the cap space to match any realistic offer that can be presented currently. And that’s not including the pending roster cuts of Lee and Swaim. 

https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/12373...62465?s=21

Also to tag and trade, you are assuming Yan will actually sign the tag AND be ok with going to the other team. If he doesn’t like the team we’re trading him to, he could refuse to sign, refuse to report to the other team and nix the trade.

(03-11-2020, 10:16 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]That's missing the mark on what was said.

Your stance was DFJ was better, while disregarding the fact that DFJ is older, and likely at his ceiling. You were in denial that had DFJ managed to double (and more) his production in his first four years, that he wouldn't be flying the same flag of PAY ME LIKE AN ELITE DE. Your stance was so anti-Yan that a ham sandwich would have been considered overpayment for his service.

The rest of us understand the nature of the beast - you draft and develop a guy who ends up performing well, you are going to have to pay if you want to retain him. Otherwise you spend forever drafting, developing, hoping the guy is the next big thing, losing the good ones to FA, and resuming the cycle again. Guess where we are now?

Still desperate for my attention I see lol. 

You never understood what I was saying so...

Fowler was better this past season no matter how much you try to deny it. And he is always been better vs the run.

Yan is not even close to being an elite pass rusher, let alone an elite DE. 

There, that's all you will get from me, hope it makes you happy.

Get out of here saying Yan isn't an elite pass rusher. Bash him for his run defense but he is on of the very best pass rusher/turn over creators in the league.

(03-11-2020, 10:33 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 10:16 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Still desperate for my attention I see lol. 

You never understood what I was saying so...

Fowler was better this past season no matter how much you try to deny it. And he is always been better vs the run.

Yan is not even close to being an elite pass rusher, let alone an elite DE. 

There, that's all you will get from me, hope it makes you happy.

Get out of here saying Yan isn't an elite pass rusher. Bash him for his run defense but he is on of the very best pass rusher/turn over creators in the league.

8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

There's no way we don't use a tag of some sort on Yan. We're probably shopping him, if we get no realistic offers, we could use the transition tag and let someone else do the work but I still think the franchise tag and trade (or franchise and play) option is what we'll see.

If he refuses to sign it, I see if he sits. If he does he only hurts his stock imo. Even if he shows up at week 10 and signs it, he isn't putting together a good resume, other players enter the market (rookie stars, other FAs, which lessens his value the next year) and it's a bad look.
I don't think Bell won when he sat a year (as arguably the best back in the league) and ended up on the Jets and is now a fringe top 5 RB (maybe even lower).

If Yan wants to get paid he'll sign the tag and accept the trade or sign and play (or sign a long term deal).
If he wants to play hardball, he'll lose in the long run of the Not For Long league.

(03-11-2020, 11:43 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 10:33 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of here saying Yan isn't an elite pass rusher. Bash him for his run defense but he is on of the very best pass rusher/turn over creators in the league.

8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

He didn't play a full season and was injured to start the season. When the Jags get big plays on defense, it is because of Yan. He is a play maker. Play makers don't grow on trees.

(03-11-2020, 01:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 11:43 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

He didn't play a full season and was injured to start the season. When the Jags get big plays on defense, it is because of Yan. He is a play maker. Play makers don't grow on trees.

Thanks for the laugh dude.

Myles Garret didn't play for what? 6 games? and still ended up with more sacks.
Nagkoue only missed 1 game, he did play AND START in all others.
If what you are saying was true, all teams, including the jags, wouldn't hesitate on giving him more than 20 millions per season, yet the rumor is other teams don't wanna pay him more than what the Jags are offering 

As with us, Fowler got an exceeding amount of unblocked and clean up plays. Yannick is a far better pass rusher, good enough that teams actually have to account for him.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1237092627494973442

I wonder what Yan's % is. I am guessing significantly lower than Fowler.

(03-11-2020, 11:43 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 10:33 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of here saying Yan isn't an elite pass rusher. Bash him for his run defense but he is on of the very best pass rusher/turn over creators in the league.

8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

There's some truth to that. You ultimately are what your performance says you are. Yan had an outstanding season in 2017. Since then his performance as a starter has been very good against the pass, fairly average against the run. Elite? They'd have to really redefine the term to include him in that category.

(03-12-2020, 08:00 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 11:43 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

There's some truth to that. You ultimately are what your performance says you are. Yan had an outstanding season in 2017. Since then his performance as a starter has been very good against the pass, fairly average against the run. Elite? They'd have to really redefine the term to include him in that category.

When I look at Yan, I look at more than the numbers. He is just a play maker. When we need a sack or a turn over, he is our guy. People forget he started out injured last year and still had a very solid season. Plus players aren't paid for what they have done, they are paid for what they are projected to do and Yan is definitely ascending.

These people who are fine with Yannick leaving and undervalue his impact will be the first people to criticize the FO when he goes somewhere else and is successful.

(03-12-2020, 08:00 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-11-2020, 11:43 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]8 sacks in a season mostly vs bad teams or backups lol 

Then Fowler and another 27 guys are elite too.

There's some truth to that. You ultimately are what your performance says you are. Yan had an outstanding season in 2017. Since then his performance as a starter has been very good against the pass, fairly average against the run. Elite? They'd have to really redefine the term to include him in that category.

He was elite as a pass rusher in 2018 too

(03-12-2020, 08:12 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-12-2020, 08:00 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]There's some truth to that. You ultimately are what your performance says you are. Yan had an outstanding season in 2017. Since then his performance as a starter has been very good against the pass, fairly average against the run. Elite? They'd have to really redefine the term to include him in that category.

When I look at Yan, I look at more than the numbers. He is just a play maker. When we need a sack or a turn over, he is our guy. People forget he started out injured last year and still had a very solid season. Plus players aren't paid for what they have done, they are paid for what they are projected to do and Yan is definitely ascending.

We needed him badly vs the Patriots and he did absolutely nothing, not even a tackle. Fowler on the other hand sacked Brady.

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(03-12-2020, 10:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-12-2020, 08:00 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]There's some truth to that. You ultimately are what your performance says you are. Yan had an outstanding season in 2017. Since then his performance as a starter has been very good against the pass, fairly average against the run. Elite? They'd have to really redefine the term to include him in that category.

He was elite as a pass rusher in 2018 too

9.5 sacks finished #23 lol

Meanwhile the were guys with 20 sacks, 16 sacks, 15.5, 14.5, 13.5... yet somehow a guy with 9.5 was elite

I'll take. Stats in a vacuum to prove my (incorrect) point or opinion for 1000 Alex.

I've been wanting them to transition tag him for a while. Makes the most sense. He can see that he won't get what he expects, maybe find out we actually offered him above market value, and rebuild a little of that respect level.

(03-12-2020, 04:22 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I've been wanting them to transition tag him for a while. Makes the most sense. He can see that he won't get what he expects, maybe find out we actually offered him above market value, and rebuild a little of that respect level.

Makes the least sense to me. It would be incredibly easy for all the edge needy teams with tons of cap to poison pill the contract and then you lose him for free

Yannick is a good Sack Specialist. I like the guy but he isn't a complete player and not worth $22million a year. IF another team pays him that, good luck. You don't win in this league paying specialist $20 million +

(03-12-2020, 07:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-12-2020, 04:22 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I've been wanting them to transition tag him for a while. Makes the most sense. He can see that he won't get what he expects, maybe find out we actually offered him above market value, and rebuild a little of that respect level.

Makes the least sense to me. It would be incredibly easy for all the edge needy teams with tons of cap to poison pill the contract and then you lose him for free

I agree with this. Remember the Alex Mack contract? The Browns matched, but he was a free agent again after two seasons.

8 sacks is not elite. If that is then Josh Allen is Super Elite.