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(03-17-2020, 03:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Would have rather seen the kid from Chicago. But this signing make sense. This all but seals the deal with Jack moving back outside which should hopefully improve the run defense at least. Boy oh boy I wish I could find that thread where I caught a ration of [BLEEP] for basically saying Jack wasn't going to be cut out for the ILB job (among others).

Whose laughing now!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I've also reiterated multiple times that Jack wasn't the answer in the middle. I'm not up on Schobert's strengths but he's ours now. I pray that he lives up to the billet.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

(03-17-2020, 05:19 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]So the run defense was garbage and we bring a dude who is not very good for that, great!

I mean, I'd be ok if we had another 2 LBs who were good at stopping the run but...

Don’t worry! Yan will be here to stop the run!

Well, it’s a hole in the rota filled. And one less need in the draft. 

I’m not wildly excited, but not disappointed either. He’ll probably be fine.

We may have overpaid slightly, but I actually like this signing. I've watched quite a few Browns games over the past few years and I've always liked him as a LB.

Add in the fact this moves Jack to the outside, this is a solid move.

(03-17-2020, 04:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 04:33 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Is it possible that we're shipping out the pieces that don't fit as we transition to a new base scheme on Defense? If our achilles heel was run defense, why sign a MLB who excels in coverage and blitzing (traits that are IDEAL for a 3-4 ILB). Could we see Taven Bryan play DE in a 3-4 base, Jack & Schobert at ILB with Josh Allen standing up at OLB/Edge?

The more likely scenario is that they think any tackling issues are coachable and signing him to play the middle allows Jack to play his natural Will spot for the first time in his career where he just has to run sideline to sideline and make plays. With Jack not having to lead and get everyone lined up I think he's due for a stellar season!!

You beat me to it. To me it makes sense. I saw something where Simmons indicated he wanted to be an edge rusher and being an edge rusher in a 3-4 makes perfect sense he's got the size and the link that you want at he's what 6 for 2:40? That's perfect for 3/4 outside backer and with his speed Eagan Eagan certainly turn the corner and pressure quarterback.that said switching to a 3-4 is not something I would take very lightly here. Even assuming we could get Simmons we'd still need a down lineman to run a 3-4 and I don't think we have that. We certainly don't have to nose tackle although we're supposedly eyeing Utah's leki fotu who would be an ideal 3/4 nose tackle.

If Brown and Okudah are already gone and Simmons miraculously falls to 9, the Jags would be crazy to not take him. He's simply too talented to pass on.As you said, Fotu would be the perfect nose tackle and he very likely will be there in round 3. They'd have to very seriously consider a 3-4 with Bryan, Fotu and Allen with Smoot also getting plenty of playing time. A linebacking corps of Simmons, Jack, Schobert and an improved Williams would be fun to watch. I could also see Allen moving to outside backer in certain schemes. 

I still believe they will get another first rounder for Yannick, so 3 of their first 4 picks could be to bolster the offense. Give Minshew Justin Jefferson and bolster the offensive line with someone to replace Cann and challenge Cam Robinson.

We still have Todd Wash so...

Why does this move Jack outside? The guy struggles at tackling. Why would we want a guy at MLB who struggles at tackling? If it just was a rotational signing that’d be good, but he’s getting paid to start. Also what does this mean about 3rd round pick Quincy Williams? Waste of a 3rd rounder?


Just makes no sense.

(03-17-2020, 07:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Why does this move Jack outside? The guy struggles at tackling. Why would we want a guy at MLB who struggles at tackling? If it just was a rotational signing that’d be good, but he’s getting paid to start. Also what does this mean about 3rd round pick Quincy Williams? Waste of a 3rd rounder?


Just makes no sense.

Williams hasnt to work his way up the depth chart if he wants any chance of starting.  He wasnt good last year.  We'll have to see what kind of campmhe has

Still need big uglies up front on D, this guy does 0 for our run game, outside of alignment calls... Could be a nice pickup if we can find a few run stuffing DTs. I like the signing, just wish we weren’t paying 2 lbs big money.

(03-17-2020, 07:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Why does this move Jack outside? The guy struggles at tackling. Why would we want a guy at MLB who struggles at tackling? If it just was a rotational signing that’d be good, but he’s getting paid to start. Also what does this mean about 3rd round pick Quincy Williams? Waste of a 3rd rounder?


Just makes no sense.

Caldwell talked about Quincy Williams at the combine and his comments pretty much gave away his role moving forward. He mentioned how he’s a good blitzer and great in coverage, that he basically played safety in college, implied he’d be used basically on 3rd downs and big nickel situations if were translating Gm talk. I always love listening to caldwells pressers cause he easily tips off his thoughts without coming out and saying it at all. He basically said they would be looking to move jack back outside in the same presser. Joe the show is also supposedly very smart and good leader something you need at Mike where jack struggles with that

(03-17-2020, 07:36 PM)PAJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Why does this move Jack outside? The guy struggles at tackling. Why would we want a guy at MLB who struggles at tackling? If it just was a rotational signing that’d be good, but he’s getting paid to start. Also what does this mean about 3rd round pick Quincy Williams? Waste of a 3rd rounder?


Just makes no sense.

Caldwell talked about Quincy Williams at the combine and his comments pretty much gave away his role moving forward. He mentioned how he’s a good blitzer and great in coverage, that he basically played safety in college, implied he’d be used basically on 3rd downs and big nickel situations if were translating Gm talk. I always love listening to caldwells pressers cause he easily tips off his thoughts without coming out and saying it at all. He basically said they would be looking to move jack back outside in the same presser. Joe the show is also supposedly very smart and good leader something you need at Mike where jack struggles with that

So tell me where Williams plays on the field on 3rd down and big nickel situations? Looks to me like Jack, Joe S, and Hayden have those spots locked down. 

You don’t draft a LB 3rd round to ride the pine. Just dumb use of draft picks.

(03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:36 PM)PAJag Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell talked about Quincy Williams at the combine and his comments pretty much gave away his role moving forward. He mentioned how he’s a good blitzer and great in coverage, that he basically played safety in college, implied he’d be used basically on 3rd downs and big nickel situations if were translating Gm talk. I always love listening to caldwells pressers cause he easily tips off his thoughts without coming out and saying it at all. He basically said they would be looking to move jack back outside in the same presser. Joe the show is also supposedly very smart and good leader something you need at Mike where jack struggles with that

So tell me where Williams plays on the field on 3rd down and big nickel situations? Looks to me like Jack, Joe S, and Hayden have those spots locked down. 

You don’t draft a LB 3rd round to ride the pine. Just dumb use of draft picks.

You don't just play him because he was drafted in the 3rd.  He has to play his way into the lineup through competition in camp, competition

(03-17-2020, 07:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So tell me where Williams plays on the field on 3rd down and big nickel situations? Looks to me like Jack, Joe S, and Hayden have those spots locked down. 

You don’t draft a LB 3rd round to ride the pine. Just dumb use of draft picks.

You don't just play him because he was drafted in the 3rd.  He has to play his way into the lineup through competition in camp, competition

Yes agreed a late 3rd round pick does not gaurantee you big playing time you have to show it. He missed almost all of camp and he was coming from a dIII school that’s tough and likely why he struggled. He looked great in camp so we’ll find out this year. Caldwell also mentioned playing jack at Sam which he played when poz was here then on 3rd down poz left the field could do that with Quincy as well have to let it play out. Here’s caldwells combine presser skip to 7:40 to hear him talk about the lbs

https://youtu.be/jJIMblbUmPI

(03-17-2020, 07:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:45 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So tell me where Williams plays on the field on 3rd down and big nickel situations? Looks to me like Jack, Joe S, and Hayden have those spots locked down. 

You don’t draft a LB 3rd round to ride the pine. Just dumb use of draft picks.

You don't just play him because he was drafted in the 3rd.  He has to play his way into the lineup through competition in camp, competition

Not the point im making. Making the point that he clearly has zero shot to start and it’s a complete waste of a 3rd round pick when the team is full of holes. So let’s just keep shipping out good players for DRAFT PICKS, and keep using those draft picks in this fashion. Makes total complete sense!

(03-17-2020, 08:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You don't just play him because he was drafted in the 3rd.  He has to play his way into the lineup through competition in camp, competition

Not the point im making. Making the point that he clearly has zero shot to start and it’s a complete waste of a 3rd round pick when the team is full of holes. So let’s just keep shipping out good players for DRAFT PICKS, and keep using those draft picks in this fashion. Makes total complete sense!

They drafted a desperation mode weak side LB because Telvin left them in dire straits with minimal notice.
 Williams turned out to be a project.  It happens.
 They have time to find a place for him or move him. Not that big of a deal. Williams could find his way onto the field in a variety of ways/packages given his LB/DB versatility. It just might not happen frequently this year while Wash is still at the helm of the defense.  

Williams was going to be the odd man out of the LB line-up regardless of what they did to address MLB -  and we've known this for months.

(03-17-2020, 08:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 07:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You don't just play him because he was drafted in the 3rd.  He has to play his way into the lineup through competition in camp, competition

Not the point im making. Making the point that he clearly has zero shot to start and it’s a complete waste of a 3rd round pick when the team is full of holes. So let’s just keep shipping out good players for DRAFT PICKS, and keep using those draft picks in this fashion. Makes total complete sense!

Your not going to hit on every pick complaining that a late 3rd round pick damn near a 4th isn’t a penciled in starter after his first year is ridiculous. The guy was the star of training camps first week he’s still a freak athlete with potential let’s see what happens maybe he does start instead of Jacobs it’s to early to say. One thing is for certain though it’s sounds they will have some sort of role for him to play no matter what.

(03-17-2020, 08:14 PM)PAJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 08:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Not the point im making. Making the point that he clearly has zero shot to start and it’s a complete waste of a 3rd round pick when the team is full of holes. So let’s just keep shipping out good players for DRAFT PICKS, and keep using those draft picks in this fashion. Makes total complete sense!

Your not going to hit on every pick complaining that a late 3rd round pick damn near a 4th isn’t a penciled in starter after his first year is ridiculous. The guy was the star of training camps first week he’s still a freak athlete with potential let’s see what happens maybe he does start instead of Jacobs it’s to early to say. One thing is for certain though it’s sounds they will have some sort of role for him to play no matter what.

It does when it’s a LB. Its common sense around the league you don’t take a LB early unless you anticipate him being a big part of your defense. That’s the point I’m trying to make, it’s the constant misuse of draft picks and constantly trying to fit square pieces into circular holes. We struggled HARD at run defense last year and we all agree that Myles Jack was a big part of that. Everyone wants the next “Poz”, leader and tackle machine. Wel they went out and got a guy who struggles hard at tackling, in the process wasting a way a draft pick from the year prior. 

Jack and Joe are not the answer for helping the run defense at the LB position. Expecting a DT to come in and be the sole answer is foolish. Just as foolish as thinking any of this makes sense. Just as foolish as we continue to trade actual productive players for draft picks and misuse them.

(03-17-2020, 08:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2020, 08:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Not the point im making. Making the point that he clearly has zero shot to start and it’s a complete waste of a 3rd round pick when the team is full of holes. So let’s just keep shipping out good players for DRAFT PICKS, and keep using those draft picks in this fashion. Makes total complete sense!

They drafted a desperation mode weak side LB because Telvin left them in dire straits with minimal notice.
 Williams turned out to be a project.  It happens.
 They have time to find a place for him or move him. Not that big of a deal. Williams could find his way onto the field in a variety of ways/packages given his LB/DB versatility. It just might not happen frequently this year while Wash is still at the helm of the defense.  

Williams was going to be the odd man out of the LB line-up regardless of what they did to address MLB -  and we've known this for months.

Yeah I disagree. Of course we aren’t going to hit on every pick, but drafting a LB early when this team is absolutely gutted and seeing him just sit is just another disappointment with management of the roster. 

I expect way better managament of the roster, I don’t even understand how people can continue to defend Dave with these boneheaded decisions. We needed an upgrade at MLB, I agree... but we literally replaced Jack with a guy who struggles at run defense. Just dumb. TankforTrevor I guess.