(04-23-2020, 01:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 12:14 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]So pass on Simmons because of Wash? Makes sense
Yes. Wash would turn a talent like Simmons into a LB like Jack. I have no confidence in this coaching staff what so ever. Also, where would you play him since WLB and the MLB positions are already filled?
By that logic, the Jaguars should just skip the draft entirely. SMH...
(04-23-2020, 08:11 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 01:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Wash would turn a talent like Simmons into a LB like Jack. I have no confidence in this coaching staff what so ever. Also, where would you play him since WLB and the MLB positions are already filled?
By that logic, the Jaguars should just skip the draft entirely. SMH...
Duh. Don’t draft players because your coaching staff is bad.
Offense.
Build the offense.
Draft more offense.
I dont care if we lose 38-35 every game this year, but dammit, score points.
(04-23-2020, 08:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Offense.
Build the offense.
Draft more offense.
I dont care if we lose 38-35 every game this year, but dammit, score points.
+1 if that means drafting a tackle at nine and a guard at 20 or in round two. We can have Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their prime at WR, but if the OL can't give Minshew time to find them and get the ball out, we might as well have Jerry Porter and Alvis Whitted out there.
(04-23-2020, 08:59 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 08:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Offense.
Build the offense.
Draft more offense.
I dont care if we lose 38-35 every game this year, but dammit, score points.
+1 if that means drafting a tackle at nine and a guard at 20 or in round two. We can have Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their prime at WR, but if the OL can't give Minshew time to find them and get the ball out, we might as well have Jerry Porter and Alvis Whitted out there.
I don’t know about all that lol
Rice and Moss would force the defense to keep all defenders back and only rush 4.
(04-23-2020, 09:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 08:59 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]+1 if that means drafting a tackle at nine and a guard at 20 or in round two. We can have Jerry Rice and Randy Moss in their prime at WR, but if the OL can't give Minshew time to find them and get the ball out, we might as well have Jerry Porter and Alvis Whitted out there.
I don’t know about all that lol
Rice and Moss would force the defense to keep all defenders back and only rush 4.
They could rush three, and as long as they aim those three at Robinson, Norwell and Cann't, we might as well have Aunt Jemima playing QB.
(04-23-2020, 03:40 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]If Simmons slips to #9, you abso-freaking-lutely select him.
Again, I ask,
where do you play him? Schobert is locked in at MLB, Jack is locked in at WLB, Harrison is a good, young Strong Safety, but lacks the skill set to move to Free Safety, so playing Simmons at Strong Safety wouldn't be much of a move. Where does he fit in this defense given the contracts er are locked into?
(04-22-2020, 10:11 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020, 04:01 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah not even close. The value in Simmons is the ability to play all of those spots and he can arguably the best answer to any TE in the entire league.
I'd be all for taking a blue chip LT too. And WR. Just saying Simmons is a really good pick too.... Options are promising this year
He can't play all those positions at once.
Anyhow, does his college tape show him shutting down NFL caliber tight ends? I've seen only two Jags' defenders in recent memory with that ability -- Gipson and Jalen. Myles Jack was supposed to be able to, but Kelce abused him. If that's what Simmons brings to the table, then, yes, he's absolutely worth drafting. I'd also expect at least six sacks and/or interceptions per year to justify taking an ILB/SS/nickel in top #10.
But, again, you have to factor in that Wash prefers to stick his slowest post-Posluszny linebacker or smallest corner on tight ends. That's his version of a scheme "wrinkle."
Nobody said he would. The value of Simmons is being able to move him around as a chess piece against an offense.
Myles Jack being bad shouldn't factor into an evaluation of Simmons for one. For two the NFL draft is about projection and Simmons is custom built to eventually develop into a TE stopper. Counting stats are a stupid way if evaluating the impact of a player like Simmons, his value will be in his advanced coverage stats and usage.
Also, not drafting a really talented player because you have a bad DC you are gonna fire in a year makes zero sense.
Please at least use some critical thinking here
(04-23-2020, 09:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 03:40 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]If Simmons slips to #9, you abso-freaking-lutely select him.
Again, I ask, where do you play him? Schobert is locked in at MLB, Jack is locked in at WLB, Harrison is a good, young Strong Safety, but lacks the skill set to move to Free Safety, so playing Simmons at Strong Safety wouldn't be much of a move. Where does he fit in this defense given the contracts er are locked into?
That's easy. You play him at Sam and you can streamline the defense to stay in the base package more often. It's not difficult to find a place for him.
(04-23-2020, 09:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 03:40 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]If Simmons slips to #9, you abso-freaking-lutely select him.
Again, I ask, where do you play him? Schobert is locked in at MLB, Jack is locked in at WLB, Harrison is a good, young Strong Safety, but lacks the skill set to move to Free Safety, so playing Simmons at Strong Safety wouldn't be much of a move. Where does he fit in this defense given the contracts er are locked into?
Harrison has played some FS, both in college and the pros. He's a center fielder, not a man coverage guy. Simmons would take over SS in that scenario. Simmons could also be an ILB in 3-4 fronts, he could play some SAM, he could be the main coverage guy for tight ends and backs coming out of the backfield, lots of things you can do with him. Don't pass on talent simply because you don't have a day one opening for it. There are lots of things worse than a player who needs a year to learn one position.
(04-23-2020, 09:52 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2020, 10:11 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]He can't play all those positions at once.
Anyhow, does his college tape show him shutting down NFL caliber tight ends? I've seen only two Jags' defenders in recent memory with that ability -- Gipson and Jalen. Myles Jack was supposed to be able to, but Kelce abused him. If that's what Simmons brings to the table, then, yes, he's absolutely worth drafting. I'd also expect at least six sacks and/or interceptions per year to justify taking an ILB/SS/nickel in top #10.
But, again, you have to factor in that Wash prefers to stick his slowest post-Posluszny linebacker or smallest corner on tight ends. That's his version of a scheme "wrinkle."
Nobody said he would. The value of Simmons is being able to move him around as a chess piece against an offense.
Myles Jack being bad shouldn't factor into an evaluation of Simmons for one. For two the NFL draft is about projection and Simmons is custom built to eventually develop into a TE stopper. Counting stats are a stupid way if evaluating the impact of a player like Simmons, his value will be in his advanced coverage stats and usage.
Also, not drafting a really talented player because you have a bad DC you are gonna fire in a year makes zero sense.
Please at least use some critical thinking here
How many Great-to-Elite TE will the Jags actually face and need to stop? There is currently 1 in the AFC. There are none in the AFC South.
Now are you saying he can also be a slot WR/RB stopper, then maybe I understand the high upside.
But everyone rating him so high because of versatility and stopping TE is a mistake to me.
Don't me get wrong. He is a 1st round pick, but I think he is a mistake at #9.
(04-23-2020, 12:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 09:52 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody said he would. The value of Simmons is being able to move him around as a chess piece against an offense.
Myles Jack being bad shouldn't factor into an evaluation of Simmons for one. For two the NFL draft is about projection and Simmons is custom built to eventually develop into a TE stopper. Counting stats are a stupid way if evaluating the impact of a player like Simmons, his value will be in his advanced coverage stats and usage.
Also, not drafting a really talented player because you have a bad DC you are gonna fire in a year makes zero sense.
Please at least use some critical thinking here
How many Great-to-Elite TE will the Jags actually face and need to stop? There is currently 1 in the AFC. There are none in the AFC South.
Now are you saying he can also be a slot WR/RB stopper, then maybe I understand the high upside.
But everyone rating him so high because of versatility and stopping TE is a mistake to me.
Don't me get wrong. He is a 1st round pick, but I think he is a mistake at #9.
So there will never be another elite TE in the AFC the next 8 years? Cool.
And also. Kelce, Andrews, Hooper, Waller, Fant, Henry.....
(04-23-2020, 12:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 09:52 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody said he would. The value of Simmons is being able to move him around as a chess piece against an offense.
Myles Jack being bad shouldn't factor into an evaluation of Simmons for one. For two the NFL draft is about projection and Simmons is custom built to eventually develop into a TE stopper. Counting stats are a stupid way if evaluating the impact of a player like Simmons, his value will be in his advanced coverage stats and usage.
Also, not drafting a really talented player because you have a bad DC you are gonna fire in a year makes zero sense.
Please at least use some critical thinking here
How many Great-to-Elite TE will the Jags actually face and need to stop? There is currently 1 in the AFC. There are none in the AFC South.
Now are you saying he can also be a slot WR/RB stopper, then maybe I understand the high upside.
But everyone rating him so high because of versatility and stopping TE is a mistake to me.
Don't me get wrong. He is a 1st round pick, but I think he is a mistake at #9.
The versatility and impact in the pass game is why you draft him... The TE stopping is simply an additional bonus.
Impacting the pass game is goal #1 of any team on both sides and Simmons is one of the most unique prospects ever seen to face the modern NFL offense.
Simmons isn't my favorite pick at 9, but he makes a ton of sense
(04-23-2020, 12:59 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 12:28 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]How many Great-to-Elite TE will the Jags actually face and need to stop? There is currently 1 in the AFC. There are none in the AFC South.
Now are you saying he can also be a slot WR/RB stopper, then maybe I understand the high upside.
But everyone rating him so high because of versatility and stopping TE is a mistake to me.
Don't me get wrong. He is a 1st round pick, but I think he is a mistake at #9.
The versatility and impact in the pass game is why you draft him... The TE stopping is simply an additional bonus.
Impacting the pass game is goal #1 of any team on both sides and Simmons is one of the most unique prospects ever seen to face the modern NFL offense.
Simmons isn't my favorite pick at 9, but he makes a ton of sense
with the 9th pick the jags select a RB. I don't know who,but thats whats going to happen. Jags will draft a TE with thier seconed pick today.
(04-23-2020, 01:21 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 12:59 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]The versatility and impact in the pass game is why you draft him... The TE stopping is simply an additional bonus.
Impacting the pass game is goal #1 of any team on both sides and Simmons is one of the most unique prospects ever seen to face the modern NFL offense.
Simmons isn't my favorite pick at 9, but he makes a ton of sense
with the 9th pick the jags select a RB. I don't know who,but thats whats going to happen. Jags will draft a TE with thier seconed pick today.
On 100% of days, I'm glad you're not our GM
If Simmons is there you take him
This really puts it in perspective how many boneheads here. Majority would take a franchise LB than a franchise LT. Just senseless in today's game. This is NOT a knock on Simmons at all, but when choosing between franchise LT or LB... and i have an OBVIOUS NEED at LT... you go LT 1000000x over imo. It's not even close.
(04-23-2020, 11:58 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (04-23-2020, 09:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Again, I ask, where do you play him? Schobert is locked in at MLB, Jack is locked in at WLB, Harrison is a good, young Strong Safety, but lacks the skill set to move to Free Safety, so playing Simmons at Strong Safety wouldn't be much of a move. Where does he fit in this defense given the contracts er are locked into?
Harrison has played some FS, both in college and the pros. He's a center fielder, not a man coverage guy. Simmons would take over SS in that scenario. Simmons could also be an ILB in 3-4 fronts, he could play some SAM, he could be the main coverage guy for tight ends and backs coming out of the backfield, lots of things you can do with him. Don't pass on talent simply because you don't have a day one opening for it. There are lots of things worse than a player who needs a year to learn one position.
Are you confident that Wash will use him in that way? I'm not.