(04-24-2020, 10:42 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I agree this pick has a chance to be great. Im glad we picked him here instead of reaching for DT to stuff the run in the first. We have great edge rushers, so we can afford to have some run stuffers in the interior
Bingo.
Plenty of of people were adamant against picking Brown saying things like “you can find 2 down run stuffers later in the draft, no reason to spend a top 10 pick on one”
Well.....here you go.
(04-24-2020, 10:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]All he needs to do is be a beast against the run and eat up space and its a great pick. I dont care if he gets zero sacks and no pressure
You can get that for 2 million two weeks into FA. You don't use top 100 picks on it. Well you do if you're looking to continue your record shattering streak of futility like Dave is.
I'm warming up to it. I'll admit B/R's incredibly negative reviews skewed my opinion initially
(04-24-2020, 10:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]All he needs to do is be a beast against the run and eat up space and its a great pick. I dont care if he gets zero sacks and no pressure
You can get that for 2 million two weeks into FA. You don't use top 100 picks on it. Well you do if you're looking to continue your record shattering streak of futility like Dave is.
His strong suit is run-stopping but he had 6 sacks from the interior as well... If you attribute that to him lining up with Young, well guess what, he will be flanked by Josh Allen and Chaisson.
Our run-stopping AND pass-rushing will benefit mutually with this pick.
Watch him against Wisconsin and you won't think he is a reach at all
(04-24-2020, 10:28 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:10 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like a huge reach to fill a need. Quincy Williams all over again. Looks like they want a nose tackle to eat up space and blockers. Sounds good in theory but why not get him in the 4th round and not early 3rd?
Because Dave had sources tell him that Hamilton wouldn't be there in the fourth round, and Hamilton was the last player they felt had starting potential at DT.
Have I about got the usual reasons covered for Dave's annual third round reach?
For the record, I gave Quincy Williams an "F" grade and I don't give that grade lightly. He was a guy projected to go undrafted. I think this pick is a different scenario. He's a role player. His knock is pass rushing, but he was (presumably) drafted as a rush stuffer where he excels. I like taking an every down player over a role player, but it's a role that was a desperately needed. I can at least see the argument for him.
(04-24-2020, 10:48 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:37 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Weren't the Jags 13th in fewest QB Hits allowed in 2019?
Sure that means there is room for improvement, but not dire straights.
Dude, sarcasm? If you watched last season Minshew was running for his LIFE. I'm guessing it's sarcasm. Has to be. It's comments like these that make me think Caldwell actually feels the O line is ok.
I'm sorry I don't have the free time to watch all the tape you do.
I'm also not sure why my input is any reflection on what the Jags and Caldwell think, especially given they have not drafted an offensive lineman yet, and you have reports from people much closer to the team saying things like this:
Quote:Bruce from Green Cove Springs, FL
I know you said you don't put much stock in rankings. I know you said our front office feels good about the offensive line we have now. Still, various "experts" ranked our 2019 offensive line as 26th, 27thor 28th. That doesn't inspire confidence regarding giving quarterback Gardner Minshew II time to find receivers or opening holes for running back Leonard Fournette. So does the general manager, head coach, etc. like our offensive line's potential? Or do they really think the offensive line performed at an acceptable level last year? - Julio from Southern California
A little of both. They believe the line was better in the past than observers believe, and they believe the group will improve this season – particularly with left tackle Cam Robinson continuing to return to full health following his 2018 torn anterior cruciate ligament. I think the Jaguars' decision-makers like the line enough that they would start Robinson, left guard Andrew Norwell, center Brandon Linder, right guard A.J. Cann and right tackle Jawaan Taylor next season. I think if it came to a situation that the best player available early in the draft was a left tackle, the Jaguars might select that player. I don't think they feel compelled to take an offensive lineman early to the degree they might feel compelled to take defensive tackle, cornerback and wide receiver.
O-Zone: Identifying characteristics
ifn we are switching to a 3 4 we do not have a large space eater NT on the team and he was the second best in this draft behind brown
(04-24-2020, 11:02 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]ifn we are switching to a 3 4 we do not have a large space eater NT on the team and he was the second best in this draft behind brown
They picked up a classic run stuffer in free agency- Al Woods. I expect Hamilton to get some rotations initially and eventually become the starter.
Marrone even said they project him as a young Al Woods. They used a top 100 pick on a guy you can get every offseason for 2 million dollars late in the FA process.
(04-24-2020, 11:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone even said they project him as a young Al Woods. They used a top 100 pick on a guy you can get every offseason for 2 million dollars late in the FA process.
Darn a top 100 pick on a guy who is compared to a guy who has been in the league for 10 years
(04-24-2020, 11:02 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:48 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, sarcasm? If you watched last season Minshew was running for his LIFE. I'm guessing it's sarcasm. Has to be. It's comments like these that make me think Caldwell actually feels the O line is ok.
I'm sorry I don't have the free time to watch all the tape you do.
I'm also not sure why my input is any reflection on what the Jags and Caldwell think, especially given they have not drafted an offensive lineman yet, and you have reports from people much closer to the team saying things like this:
Quote:Bruce from Green Cove Springs, FL
I know you said you don't put much stock in rankings. I know you said our front office feels good about the offensive line we have now. Still, various "experts" ranked our 2019 offensive line as 26th, 27thor 28th. That doesn't inspire confidence regarding giving quarterback Gardner Minshew II time to find receivers or opening holes for running back Leonard Fournette. So does the general manager, head coach, etc. like our offensive line's potential? Or do they really think the offensive line performed at an acceptable level last year? - Julio from Southern California
A little of both. They believe the line was better in the past than observers believe, and they believe the group will improve this season – particularly with left tackle Cam Robinson continuing to return to full health following his 2018 torn anterior cruciate ligament. I think the Jaguars' decision-makers like the line enough that they would start Robinson, left guard Andrew Norwell, center Brandon Linder, right guard A.J. Cann and right tackle Jawaan Taylor next season. I think if it came to a situation that the best player available early in the draft was a left tackle, the Jaguars might select that player. I don't think they feel compelled to take an offensive lineman early to the degree they might feel compelled to take defensive tackle, cornerback and wide receiver.
O-Zone: Identifying characteristics
Tape? I'm talking about the games. Did you not see Minshew literally running for his life almost every game? I mean c'mon man lol. It's a pathetic line, and HOPING (because that's what the Jags are doing) that it's going to turn average... is a bad decision IMO.
I think that QB is the most important position in the game. Way ahead of any other position, but next up in my personal opinion is O-line. No QB can be good without an O-LINE. Get your guy... protect him. Fill out roster after that. That's my idea.
(04-24-2020, 10:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2020, 10:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]All he needs to do is be a beast against the run and eat up space and its a great pick. I dont care if he gets zero sacks and no pressure
You can get that for 2 million two weeks into FA. You don't use top 100 picks on it. Well you do if you're looking to continue your record shattering streak of futility like Dave is.
You're not finding a guy like that just floating around in FA. Guys big and strong enough to be an effective run stuffer up the middle are few and far in between.
You can bring anyone in on the cheap. Doesn't mean they have the ability to be effective.
Effective guys in that role cost big bucks just like Dareus.
Some of you guys make me laugh.
Dareus comes in and out defense is elite...Dareus gets hurt and then costs too much and our run defense is laughable.We drafted Terrance Knighton in the 3rd round and he turned out ok.
But I understand if you want the guys on Kipers Board and all that.
THERE IS NO 3rd ROUND ROOKIE GUARD THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. The drop off between a good Guard and an average to below average guard ain’t that much.
I like the pick. I actually love what we’ve done so far. Needs are being filled and we’re moving forward with what we have.
It all comes down to QB play anyways.
The Big Uglies are the best... We need some stout dudes on the inside! I like this pick in the 3rd. It is nice that he is strong as and OX.
(04-24-2020, 10:30 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Got to draft a guy behind Dobbs. Behind this line, Minshew and Dobbs will both be on IR by week 8. No 4th round saviors going to help. Got to get the big uglies early, look how the Colts built that line as an example. Just a MONSTER O Line.
Eason or Fromm? Or that other QB from Wash St.
(04-25-2020, 01:18 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you guys make me laugh.
Dareus comes in and out defense is elite...Dareus gets hurt and then costs too much and our run defense is laughable.We drafted Terrance Knighton in the 3rd round and he turned out ok.
But I understand if you want the guys on Kipers Board and all that.
THERE IS NO 3rd ROUND ROOKIE GUARD THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. The drop off between a good Guard and an average to below average guard ain’t that much.
I like the pick. I actually love what we’ve done so far. Needs are being filled and we’re moving forward with what we have.
It all comes down to QB play anyways.
You make a great point about Knighton. I like this guy.. he is stout and powerful... can free up the pass rushers.
(04-24-2020, 11:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone even said they project him as a young Al Woods. They used a top 100 pick on a guy you can get every offseason for 2 million dollars late in the FA process.
This is just a dishonest take. I don't understand your obsession with "Top 100 picks" athletic guys that are 320 lbs. don't grow on trees, sure you can find a DT for 2 million in FA that's 320 lbs. but is he going to be young or athletic like Hamilton?
Did you hate the Terrance Knighton pick way back when too?