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Relax guys. When it’s the 4th quarter against the Titans and Henry was just torching is for 5,8,14,32 yards every carry and our guys are just flat out getting pushed around, it was clear that we needed an upgrade.

It’s not a sexy pick but goodness man, we needed this guy.

(04-24-2020, 10:30 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Got to draft a guy behind Dobbs. Behind this line, Minshew and Dobbs will both be on IR by week 8. No 4th round saviors going to help. Got to get the big uglies early, look how the Colts built that line as an example. Just a MONSTER O Line.

LOL.  Isn't this the same line Minshew played behind last year?  Exactly when did he go on IR?

Good player, fills a dire need. Even if he's only a run stuffer and comes out on 3rd and long, he's a very useful pick.

I just remember that we were 4-4 last year, and then we lost 5 games in a row where we could not stop the run to save our lives.

(04-24-2020, 10:58 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/hayscarlyon/status/1...34944?s=21

We’ve seen this before and it didn’t work out.

I do think he was the 2nd best NT in the draft behind Brown and our biggest need. Glad we came away with one of the top NTs

The more I research the player I dont feel quite a bad about this pick. Seems like he could fit well into what we want. Someone to clog the middle. Still feels like a bit of reach in terms of where he should have gone. Although it's possible he may not have made it to our 4th round pick. Anyways, always the risk of letting the roster get too lean. Having to find guys to fill immediate need regardless of where they may get drafted. And run defense is clearly an immediate need.

(04-25-2020, 08:18 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]The more I research the player I dont feel quite a bad about this pick.  Seems like he could fit well into what we want.  Someone to clog the middle.  Still feels like a bit of reach in terms of where he should have gone.  Although it's possible he may not have made it to our 4th round pick.  Anyways, always the risk of letting the roster get too lean.  Having to find guys to fill immediate need regardless of where they may get drafted.  And run defense is clearly an immediate need.

He had more sacks than brown, better agility tests, 5 more reps on the rack.  If you made me choose between brown @ 9 (let alone trade up) or Hamilton @ 73 u take Hamilton.

Not a sexy pick, but addresses a significant and glaring hole for this team. Good pick.

The pick was a reach but will probably be fine if they're planning to move primarily to 3-4. Still the draft has been way too need based for my taste. Probably going to be another one where almost every player is gone five years from now.

(04-24-2020, 11:08 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone even said they project him as a young Al Woods. They used a top 100 pick on a guy you can get every offseason for 2 million dollars late in the FA process.

That's like flagging down the ice cream man on his way home.

(04-25-2020, 01:18 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you guys make me laugh.

Dareus comes in and out defense is elite...Dareus gets hurt and then costs too much and our run defense is laughable.We drafted Terrance Knighton in the 3rd round and he turned out ok.

But I understand if you want the guys on Kipers Board and all that.

THERE IS NO 3rd ROUND ROOKIE GUARD THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. The drop off between a good Guard and an average to below average guard ain’t that much.

I like the pick. I actually love what we’ve done so far. Needs are being filled and we’re moving forward with what we have.

It all comes down to QB play anyways.

One of your best posts ever, JF24.

It's not a bad selection at all. I follow Drafttek closely. They had him as the 3rd best overall 1-tech and 67th overall. Everybody on here last year was [BLEEP] about the rushing yards given up on a historically record breaking level.

No Dareus. No Campbell. Bryan lacks the power and weight to man the inside. We'll be seeing new looks on defense. He has some sneaky pass rushing ability as well. When Allen and Chaisson are roaming free because Hamilton's eating up space inside?

You'll be happy. Still a chance to add Leki Fotu and Benito Jones today in RD4.

(04-24-2020, 10:21 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2020, 10:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Jordan Elliott is a DT who was the only DL that graded above 90 in both run stopping and pass rush. He was also among the best available on everyone's list. So him.

2.5 sacks. That's not a pass rusher. Elliott is an Abry Jones clone.

Not even close. Elliot had an insane pressure rate and pass rush win rate, super different players

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Hamilton tested v well at the combine once you adjust for size and had a better pressure rate than Brown.

When viewing his stats you have to remember he always played limited snaps.

He's one of the best run defenders in the class and also has a bit more juice to him than people think. Can play 1 tech 3 tech and base end in 3-4

(04-25-2020, 09:23 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The pick was a reach but will probably be fine if they're planning to move primarily to 3-4. Still the draft has been way too need based for my taste. Probably going to be another one where almost every player is gone five years from now.

Only in your mind. The best NT to come out of the draft. You wait and see. If by reach then Brown was a huge reach.

(04-24-2020, 10:28 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2020, 10:10 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like a huge reach to fill a need.  Quincy Williams all over again.  Looks like they want a nose tackle to eat up space and blockers.  Sounds good in theory but why not get him in the 4th round and not early 3rd?

Because Dave had sources tell him that Hamilton wouldn't be there in the fourth round, and Hamilton was the last player they felt had starting potential at DT.

Have I about got the usual reasons covered for Dave's annual third round reach?

I readily admit I know little about Hamilton though I have watched several Ohio St. games.  (I will have to rewatch looking specifically at him)

But that underlined phrase is problematic to me.

I think his 3rd round picks typically have been some of his best work.

2013-Dwayne Gratz-arguably the best pick of a bad class.  Yeah, we took him over Tyran Matthieu, but TM had some major marijuana issues at the time.  Also took him over LT Terron Armstead, but considering we took Joeckel in round 1, can see why they passed him up at the time.

2014-Linder-possibly our most consistent OL-one of the few draft picks to earn a second contract.  I can't see anyone taken below him in the third round being a better player than him.  Well worth his late third round pick.
2015-AJ Cann-Not exactly a fan favorite at this point, but a decent player who got a second contract.  I still want him replaced.  Nevertheless, looking back, I see only two players in that 3rd round I would take over him:  Tyler Lockett and Danielle Hunter
2016-Ngakoue-a great pick despite his current squabbling with the organization
2017-Smoot-finally started showing improvement last year.  We'll see how the scheme switch impacts his development.  Def considered by most of us to be a reach when made.
2018-Ronnie Harrison-our current starting S.  Considered a steal at the time.  Allegedly has some knucklehead in him.
2019-Josh Oliver-TBD


I'm not even going to get into TC's influence on the draft between 2017-2019

Does DC have a perfect record in the 3rd round?  No.

But I don't think he deserved that dig from ou, either.

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(04-25-2020, 04:18 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XLAG/status/1253...59360?s=19

WOW!

That represented my first smile of the morning!

Thanks.

Who was that trying to block him?

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(04-24-2020, 10:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]All he needs to do is be a beast against the run and eat up space and its a great pick.  I dont care if he gets zero sacks and no pressure

Agree completely.

Any pressure you get from a NT is gravy.

But as long as he can clog up the middle in the running game and can help keel guards off an ILB, I am fine with a NT.

I googled "who was number 56 at the 2020 Senior Bowl" and the answer I got was Nick Harris, C, Washington.  It does look like he has a big W on his helmet.

(04-24-2020, 10:28 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing people complain Hamilton isn't a pass rusher. But did you guys see the Jags run defense last year? It was the worst in franchise history, they need run stoppers.

Agreed!

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(04-25-2020, 10:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2020, 10:21 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I readily admit I know little about Hamilton though I have watched several Ohio St. games.  (I will have to rewatch looking specifically at him)

But that underlined phrase is problematic to me.

I think his 3rd round picks typically have been some of his best work.

2013-Dwayne Gratz-arguably the best pick of a bad class.  Yeah, we took him over Tyran Matthieu, but TM had some major marijuana issues at the time.  Also took him over LT Terron Armstead, but considering we took Joeckel in round 1, can see why they passed him up at the time.

2014-Linder-possibly our most consistent OL-one of the few draft picks to earn a second contract.  I can't see anyone taken below him in the third round being a better player than him.  Well worth his late third round pick.
2015-AJ Cann-Not exactly a fan favorite at this point, but a decent player who got a second contract.  I still want him replaced.  Nevertheless, looking back, I see only two players in that 3rd round I would take over him:  Tyler Lockett and Danielle Hunter
2016-Ngakoue-a great pick despite his current squabbling with the organization
2017-Smoot-finally started showing improvement last year.  We'll see how the scheme switch impacts his development.  Def considered by most of us to be a reach when made.
2018-Ronnie Harrison-our current starting S.  Considered a steal at the time.  Allegedly has some knucklehead in him.
2019-Josh Oliver-TBD


I'm not even going to get into TC's influence on the draft between 2017-2019

Does DC have a perfect record in the 3rd round?  No.

But I don't think he deserved that dig from ou, either.

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WOW!

That represented my first smile of the morning!

Thanks.

Who was that trying to block him?

I googled "who was number 56 at the 2020 Senior Bowl" and the answer I got was Nick Harris, C, Washington.  It does look like he has a big W on his helmet.

Ugh.

That was one of the guys we met with!

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(04-24-2020, 10:45 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-24-2020, 10:28 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing people complain Hamilton isn't a pass rusher. But did you guys see the Jags run defense last year? It was the worst in franchise history, they need run stoppers.

You're right, Steve, it was awful to watch. This guy is just going to clog the middle and the LB's/DE's are going to make plays. An excellent pick IMO.

I was crushed to see Josh Jones go right in front of us but they may have taken DH anyway.

We see eye to eye here.

I have recorded a few OSU games.  I will go back and watch him after this draft is over, and I will rewatch the Senior Bowl.

(04-24-2020, 10:59 PM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Watch him against Wisconsin and you won't think he is a reach at all

Thanks for that tip.

Hamilton would have been a good pick with one of today's picks. Whatever, we reached it's fine. At least I don't think he'll be a bust he'll do what we need him to do.

(04-25-2020, 10:38 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Hamilton would have been a good pick with one of today's picks. Whatever, we reached it's fine. At least I don't think he'll be a bust he'll do what we need him to do.

hopefully with one of the 8 picks we will land someone you like more and you can pull the ole "swap the picks" mind trick