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I honestly think that he has gotten better at his job with otj experience.

In terms of drafting players, Caldwell is not one of the best but he is not one of the worst.

Hiring Gus Bradley probably was his weakest move though it was unclear whether he had total control in doing so. When he had a chance to redeem himself then TC happened and they are stuck with Marrone.

The jury is still out. Unfortunate for Caldwell, he won't have another chance.

Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

He was brought in to be in charge of the football side because Khan wanted to be hands off.

Jury is definitely still out on Caldwell. I am on record as saying I would have totally cleaned house at the end of last season, but at the same time my gut tells me that Caldwell actually has the potential to be one of the best GMs in the league. Basically I'm full of [BLEEP] and don't know what to think anymore.

I really wonder if Khan's decision to retain Dave (and seemingly not just for one year) was influenced by inside knowledge of the moves that Dave would have made in the last few years that would have been different to the ones Coughlin made. For example, if it was common knowledge amongst the team's top brass in 2017 that Caldwell would have targeted Mahomes or Watson, but Coughlin overruled him to pick LF. That's the kind of thing, if Khan's was aware of it, that would massively change the perception of Caldwell. He could legitimately make the point to Khan that if he hadn't put Coughlin in place, and had let Dave follow his original plan, this team would be in a much better place. I know there are a bunch of rumors about this exact situation, but I guess we will never know the real truth. Still, it does seem that Khan knows, or at least thinks, something different to what us fans have been privy to.

(05-03-2020, 02:43 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Jury is definitely still out on Caldwell. I am on record as saying I would have totally cleaned house at the end of last season, but at the same time my gut tells me that Caldwell actually has the potential to be one of the best GMs in the league. Basically I'm full of [BLEEP] and don't know what to think anymore.

I really wonder if Khan's decision to retain Dave (and seemingly not just for one year) was influenced by inside knowledge of the moves that Dave would have made in the last few years that would have been different to the ones Coughlin made. For example, if it was common knowledge amongst the team's top brass in 2017 that Caldwell would have targeted Mahomes or Watson, but Coughlin overruled him to pick LF. That's the kind of thing, if Khan's was aware of it, that would massively change the perception of Caldwell. He could legitimately make the point to Khan that if he hadn't put Coughlin in place, and had let Dave follow his original plan, this team would be in a much better place. I know there are a bunch of rumors about this exact situation, but I guess we will never know the real truth. Still, it does seem that Khan knows, or at least thinks, something different to what us fans have been privy to.

I think i read somewhere Dave wanted CC, who is one of the best players in the league behind a average at best oline.  CC is who I wanted as well.  Jamal Adams or CC was my 2 guys

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

(05-03-2020, 11:17 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

He was brought in to be in charge of the football side because Khan wanted to be hands off.

I think as much as anything, it was a PR move designed to inject a degree of credibility and confidence into the franchise.

(05-03-2020, 07:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

(05-03-2020, 11:17 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]He was brought in to be in charge of the football side because Khan wanted to be hands off.

I think as much as anything, it was a PR move designed to inject a degree of credibility and confidence into the franchise.

The funny thing is that it was spectacularly successful in the short term and a spectacular failure in the long term. Which is remarkable considering he was only here for two and a half seasons or so.

(05-03-2020, 07:20 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

(05-03-2020, 11:17 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]He was brought in to be in charge of the football side because Khan wanted to be hands off.

I think as much as anything, it was a PR move designed to inject a degree of credibility and confidence into the franchise.

I've always thought this.

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

Khan gets it wrong too.  I mean, why is Tony Khan brought into anything !!!

Another kudo for Caldwell- from another thread here, we now have the youngest team in the league. Some will say that's not good as you should have a blend of experience/inexperienced players but...we do.

The thing that has to worry Caldwell is that he is still saddled with Coughlin's man, Baloney Marroney (and his man Todd Wash) at the helm instead of by now having brought in his own coaching team. Mr. Khan seems willing to allow these expensive coaching contracts run their course instead of doubling up the expense with firing/hiring so Caldwell is stuck with these birds.

(05-04-2020, 09:39 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Another kudo for Caldwell- from another thread here, we now have the youngest team in the league. Some will say that's not good as you should have a blend of experience/inexperienced players but...we do.

The thing that has to worry Caldwell is that he is still saddled with Coughlin's man, Baloney Marroney (and his man Todd Wash) at the helm instead of by now having brought in his own coaching team. Mr. Khan seems willing to allow these expensive coaching contracts run their course instead of doubling up the expense with firing/hiring so Caldwell is stuck with these birds.

Fortunately the second string of Gruden/McAdoo is pretty solid, so if they make a change this year I think we have a big improvement already in house.

(05-03-2020, 08:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

Khan gets it wrong too.  I mean, why is Tony Khan brought into anything !!!

To say the word "analytics," which makes neophytes swoon.

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Looking back on Caldwell's time in Atlanta, and what he's done here I can safely say he has an eye for WR talent.

That's about it.

(05-03-2020, 08:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 11:06 AM)Iason Wrote: [ -> ]Why was Coughlin brought in? Because Caldwell was too good at his job?

Khan gets it wrong too.  I mean, why is Tony Khan brought into anything !!!

I'm not so sure why Jags fans are so bent on hating on Tony Khan.

What, precisely, has he done that earns the ire of so many American football fans? 

He's an owner of the team and he heads up the analytics department, which by all accounts, has very little input on acquisitions outside of UDFA players and an occasional late rounder.

Do we have some specific moment or decision that he has mishandled that bothers people so much? 

I don't get it. 

People seem to think his involvement in anything is automatically a bad thing despite the fact that they don't really know jack [BLEEP] about the guy.

(05-04-2020, 08:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 08:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Khan gets it wrong too.  I mean, why is Tony Khan brought into anything !!!

I'm not so sure why Jags fans are so bent on hating on Tony Khan.

What, precisely, has he done that earns the ire of so many American football fans? 

He's an owner of the team and he heads up the analytics department, which by all accounts, has very little input on acquisitions outside of UDFA players and an occasional late rounder.

Do we have some specific moment or decision that he has mishandled that bothers people so much? 

I don't get it. 

People seem to think his involvement in anything is automatically a bad thing despite the fact that they don't really know jack [BLEEP] about the guy.

Nepotism, perhaps? Maybe he's viewed as not having earned it?

(05-04-2020, 08:49 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 08:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not so sure why Jags fans are so bent on hating on Tony Khan.

What, precisely, has he done that earns the ire of so many American football fans? 

He's an owner of the team and he heads up the analytics department, which by all accounts, has very little input on acquisitions outside of UDFA players and an occasional late rounder.

Do we have some specific moment or decision that he has mishandled that bothers people so much? 

I don't get it. 

People seem to think his involvement in anything is automatically a bad thing despite the fact that they don't really know jack [BLEEP] about the guy.

Nepotism, perhaps? Maybe he's viewed as not having earned it?

I'm sure that's one reason.  Not a good one, but I'm sure some are hung up on it.

 I just want people to tell me why they don't like him. 

I suspect few actually have good reason. 

Maybe he's horrible and we should all be terrified of him having any power at all. I've just seen nothing to confirm that -  but it's not stopping folks from laying the hate on thick.

(05-04-2020, 09:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 08:49 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Nepotism, perhaps? Maybe he's viewed as not having earned it?

I'm sure that's one reason.  Not a good one, but I'm sure some are hung up on it.

 I just want people to tell me why they don't like him. 

I suspect few actually have good reason. 

Maybe he's horrible and we should all be terrified of him having any power at all. I've just seen nothing to confirm that -  but it's not stopping folks from laying the hate on thick.

It's his connection to the wrestling business.

Too many people here watched WWF and have Tony pinned as the Shane McMahon. lol

(05-05-2020, 06:02 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 09:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure that's one reason.  Not a good one, but I'm sure some are hung up on it.

 I just want people to tell me why they don't like him. 

I suspect few actually have good reason. 

Maybe he's horrible and we should all be terrified of him having any power at all. I've just seen nothing to confirm that -  but it's not stopping folks from laying the hate on thick.

It's his connection to the wrestling business.

Too many people here watched WWF and have Tony pinned as the Shane McMahon. lol

The funny part is, the Khan's could essentially be the McMahons. Shad and is wife would be Vince and Linda and Tony and his sister would be Shane and Steph, lol.

(05-04-2020, 08:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-03-2020, 08:16 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Khan gets it wrong too.  I mean, why is Tony Khan brought into anything !!!

I'm not so sure why Jags fans are so bent on hating on Tony Khan.

What, precisely, has he done that earns the ire of so many American football fans? 

He's an owner of the team and he heads up the analytics department, which by all accounts, has very little input on acquisitions outside of UDFA players and an occasional late rounder.

Do we have some specific moment or decision that he has mishandled that bothers people so much? 

I don't get it. 

People seem to think his involvement in anything is automatically a bad thing despite the fact that they don't really know jack [BLEEP] about the guy.

He gets hate because he comes across very poorly on social media, is the son of a really bad owner and has failed at huge roles in other sports pretending he knows what he's doing. 

I don't mind him as he doesn't actually do much regarding the Jags (like you said) but fairly easily to see why he may be somewhat of a laughing stock to some

(05-04-2020, 08:49 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 08:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not so sure why Jags fans are so bent on hating on Tony Khan.

What, precisely, has he done that earns the ire of so many American football fans? 

He's an owner of the team and he heads up the analytics department, which by all accounts, has very little input on acquisitions outside of UDFA players and an occasional late rounder.

Do we have some specific moment or decision that he has mishandled that bothers people so much? 

I don't get it. 

People seem to think his involvement in anything is automatically a bad thing despite the fact that they don't really know jack [BLEEP] about the guy.

Nepotism, perhaps? Maybe he's viewed as not having earned it?

There are a lot of NFL teams that have owners who inherited their teams.  The Rooneys in Pittsburgh, for example.  They didn't "earn it" either.   

In fact, you can say that no NFL owner earned his or her team.  They either inherited it, or they made money elsewhere bought their team.  

So I don't see why Tony Khan is any different from any other owner or child of an owner.