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(06-03-2020, 10:58 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's not fragility to speak the truth, more people should start doing it. The burning, looting, rioting that you are endorsing is exactly what I stated.

Haha you guys are so funny. Big talk about speaking the truth, and then following it up with an objectively false statement!

I have noticed that you guys are getting more and more sensitive about this issue. It must be alarming for you to see how the dialogue in America is slowly but surely shifting away from your point of view. Soon enough, your views will be only held by an increasingly small amount of loud and stubborn voices on the fringes of public discourse. Young people are making their voices heard in mass across the country, and the world.

I know that must be tough for you, but, jokes aside, self harm is never the right option. If you need someone to talk to, I'm here for you.

Yes, yes, we know. As soon as you're done with your soy latte and avocado toast you'll get around to instituting the new world order. Best of luck.

(06-03-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:41 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, I didn't expect you to be so fragile! I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings at all. Was just trying to match a sarcastic joke with one of my own.

It's not fragility to speak the truth, more people should start doing it. The burning, looting, rioting that you are endorsing is exactly what I stated.

FSG - just as you and others have pointed out numerous times over: The world and seemingly everyone on this forum are/were unified in their condemning of Chauvin's behavior, so too have I seen absolutely NOBODY endorse burning, looting and rioting. 

We are men of action, lies do not become us.

(06-03-2020, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]“That’s it! I’m cutting the swoosh off my Nike socks!”

Self harm is not a laughing matter Cleatwood.

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(06-03-2020, 11:09 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:58 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Haha you guys are so funny. Big talk about speaking the truth, and then following it up with an objectively false statement!

I have noticed that you guys are getting more and more sensitive about this issue. It must be alarming for you to see how the dialogue in America is slowly but surely shifting away from your point of view. Soon enough, your views will be only held by an increasingly small amount of loud and stubborn voices on the fringes of public discourse. Young people are making their voices heard in mass across the country, and the world.

I know that must be tough for you, but, jokes aside, self harm is never the right option. If you need someone to talk to, I'm here for you.

Yes, yes, we know. As soon as you're done with your soy latte and avocado toast you'll get around to instituting the new world order. Best of luck.

I'm out of avocado right now, so the revolution will have to wait.

To be fair, I live in Mexico, avocados don't have the same stigma here.

(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's not fragility to speak the truth, more people should start doing it. The burning, looting, rioting that you are endorsing is exactly what I stated.

FSG - just as you and others have pointed out numerous times over: The world and seemingly everyone on this forum are/were unified in their condemning of Chauvin's behavior, so too have I seen absolutely NOBODY endorse burning, looting and rioting. 

We are men of action, lies do not become us.

It's a shame really. They had everyone on their side then they went and pissed on their neighbors and showed their true motivations. We could've had a moment as a nation, but, well...

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(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]“That’s it! I’m cutting the swoosh off my Nike socks!”

Self harm is not a laughing matter Cleatwood.

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(06-03-2020, 11:09 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, yes, we know. As soon as you're done with your soy latte and avocado toast you'll get around to instituting the new world order. Best of luck.

I'm out of avocado right now, so the revolution will have to wait.

To be fair, I live in Mexico, avocados don't have the same stigma here.

Oh great, a foreign interloper. Should've guessed. 

How's that dissertation coming, JJ? I also just found out there's more blacks than whites in the NBA. Make sure you use APA guidelines when you implement that citation.

(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's not fragility to speak the truth, more people should start doing it. The burning, looting, rioting that you are endorsing is exactly what I stated.

FSG - just as you and others have pointed out numerous times over: The world and seemingly everyone on this forum are/were unified in their condemning of Chauvin's behavior, so too have I seen absolutely NOBODY endorse burning, looting and rioting. 

We are men of action, lies do not become us.

Technically, I don't remember anyone here actually come out and support the burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen at least one poster link to an article that endorsed burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen a lot of my Leftist Facebook friends post justifications for the destruction and murder.

And as long as the peaceful protesters are giving cover to the rioters, then supporting the peaceful protests is no better than supporting the Milwaukee PD. 

How far are you willing to endorse the chaos? Is a peaceful prominent Leftist posting bail for the arsonists OK with you, or not?

(06-03-2020, 11:28 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]FSG - just as you and others have pointed out numerous times over: The world and seemingly everyone on this forum are/were unified in their condemning of Chauvin's behavior, so too have I seen absolutely NOBODY endorse burning, looting and rioting. 

We are men of action, lies do not become us.

Technically, I don't remember anyone here actually come out and support the burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen at least one poster link to an article that endorsed burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen a lot of my Leftist Facebook friends post justifications for the destruction and murder.

And as long as the peaceful protesters are giving cover to the rioters, then supporting the peaceful protests is no better than supporting the Milwaukee PD. 

How far are you willing to endorse the chaos? Is a peaceful prominent Leftist posting bail for the arsonists OK with you, or not?

Again, MBJ - who the hell is endorsing chaos? Not me. This has a fun strawman you cats have been playing with for the better part of last week and I'm just poking holes in it. 

No, I don't endorse ANTIFA. No, I don't endorse White Supremacists, undercover police officers, etc. simultaneously exploiting ANTIFA's history and black anger. No, I don't endorse uncategorized agitators. No, I don't endorse the bailing out of arsonists/looters/rioters. 

I do support peaceful protests. I do support black America. I do support the constitutional right we have to peacefully assemble & protest. I do support bail-out initiatives for arrested peaceful protesters - much like I would have if police didn't exercise their restraint for a primarily white and heavily armed protest in MI two weeks ago over, checks notes...state-issued stay-at-home orders.

(06-03-2020, 11:39 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:28 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
Technically, I don't remember anyone here actually come out and support the burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen at least one poster link to an article that endorsed burning, looting, and rioting. I've seen a lot of my Leftist Facebook friends post justifications for the destruction and murder.

And as long as the peaceful protesters are giving cover to the rioters, then supporting the peaceful protests is no better than supporting the Milwaukee PD. 

How far are you willing to endorse the chaos? Is a peaceful prominent Leftist posting bail for the arsonists OK with you, or not?

Again, MBJ - who the hell is endorsing chaos? Not me. This has a fun strawman you cats have been playing with for the better part of last week and I'm just poking holes in it. 

No, I don't endorse ANTIFA. No, I don't endorse White Supremacists, undercover police officers, etc. simultaneously exploiting ANTIFA's history and black anger. No, I don't endorse uncategorized agitators. No, I don't endorse the bailing out of arsonists/looters/rioters. 

I do support peaceful protests. I do support black America. I do support the constitutional right we have to peacefully assemble & protest. I do support bail-out initiatives for arrested peaceful protesters - much like I would have if police didn't exercise their restraint for a primarily white and heavily armed protest in MI two weeks ago over, checks notes...state-issued stay-at-home orders.

This was in a link posted on this thread that absolutely justifies and maybe even applauds the violence, destruction, and murder going on in cities across the country.:

Quote:[font=Lato, sans-serif]Would they be worth a riot, if they were executed with their faces pressed into the pavement while pleading for breath that was denied until there was no breath left?
Would they be worth a spontaneous street corner bonfire if every person in power turned their heads away from your mourning?
Would they be worth a sustained, full-throated demand for justice if that justice was perpetually denied?

Would they be worth a smashed window or a burned out storefront if that was the only option left to wake the world up to your grieving?[/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif]I know mine would be.[/font]

(06-03-2020, 11:50 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:39 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Again, MBJ - who the hell is endorsing chaos? Not me. This has a fun strawman you cats have been playing with for the better part of last week and I'm just poking holes in it. 

No, I don't endorse ANTIFA. No, I don't endorse White Supremacists, undercover police officers, etc. simultaneously exploiting ANTIFA's history and black anger. No, I don't endorse uncategorized agitators. No, I don't endorse the bailing out of arsonists/looters/rioters. 

I do support peaceful protests. I do support black America. I do support the constitutional right we have to peacefully assemble & protest. I do support bail-out initiatives for arrested peaceful protesters - much like I would have if police didn't exercise their restraint for a primarily white and heavily armed protest in MI two weeks ago over, checks notes...state-issued stay-at-home orders.

This was in a link posted on this thread that absolutely justifies and maybe even applauds the violence, destruction, and murder going on in cities across the country.:

Quote:[font=Lato, sans-serif]Would they be worth a riot, if they were executed with their faces pressed into the pavement while pleading for breath that was denied until there was no breath left?
Would they be worth a spontaneous street corner bonfire if every person in power turned their heads away from your mourning?
Would they be worth a sustained, full-throated demand for justice if that justice was perpetually denied?

Would they be worth a smashed window or a burned out storefront if that was the only option left to wake the world up to your grieving?[/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif]I know mine would be.[/font]

Now I'm curious.  Who posted the link and what is the link?  I can't find any links at all in this thread.

Oh, never mind I found it.  It was in another thread.

(06-03-2020, 11:50 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:39 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Again, MBJ - who the hell is endorsing chaos? Not me. This has a fun strawman you cats have been playing with for the better part of last week and I'm just poking holes in it. 

No, I don't endorse ANTIFA. No, I don't endorse White Supremacists, undercover police officers, etc. simultaneously exploiting ANTIFA's history and black anger. No, I don't endorse uncategorized agitators. No, I don't endorse the bailing out of arsonists/looters/rioters. 

I do support peaceful protests. I do support black America. I do support the constitutional right we have to peacefully assemble & protest. I do support bail-out initiatives for arrested peaceful protesters - much like I would have if police didn't exercise their restraint for a primarily white and heavily armed protest in MI two weeks ago over, checks notes...state-issued stay-at-home orders.

This was in a link posted on this thread that absolutely justifies and maybe even applauds the violence, destruction, and murder going on in cities across the country.:

Quote:[font=Lato, sans-serif]Would they be worth a riot, if they were executed with their faces pressed into the pavement while pleading for breath that was denied until there was no breath left?
Would they be worth a spontaneous street corner bonfire if every person in power turned their heads away from your mourning?
Would they be worth a sustained, full-throated demand for justice if that justice was perpetually denied?

Would they be worth a smashed window or a burned out storefront if that was the only option left to wake the world up to your grieving?[/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif]I know mine would be.[/font]

I don't pretend to understand what emotions Bullseye is feeling, nor his justification for providing the content. He can speak for himself, quite eloquently. You, on the other hand, along with others, continue to conflate protesting with rioting/looting/arson.

(06-03-2020, 10:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 09:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]American doesn't have a race problem, it has a culture problem.

I was just having this discussion with my twenty-something daughter.

Hopefully she can derive her own opinions, without having to rely on the opinion coming from the Archie Bunker Generation (aka Baby Boomers).

Most 20 year old's are much more aware and compassionate to other races than are the Baby Boomers or X Generation.  The Baby Boomers are the worst.

(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, I live in Mexico, avocados don't have the same stigma here.

WHAT?   Where do you live?  I've been to MX City, Puebla, Guadalajara, Chapala, and Puerto Vallarta on numerous occasions (usually visit MX once every 2 years).  Don't worry, I won't come scope you out, just curious as to what city you currently live and which soccer team you may support, if any?  I'm a fan of the Chivas (Guadalajara) and root for Pumas as my secondary team (MX City).

You are correct with regard to avacados.  In MX, it's just another vegetable in which they use in various dishes or simply eat in a tortilla (like my mexican-born wife does).

(06-03-2020, 12:06 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I was just having this discussion with my twenty-something daughter.

Hopefully she can derive her own opinions, without having to rely on the opinion coming from the Archie Bunker Generation (aka Baby Boomers).

Most 20 year old's are much more aware and compassionate to other races than are the Baby Boomers or X Generation.  The Baby Boomers are the worst.

Lol.

People havent been endorsing the looting and violence? Probably should pay attention a little bit more. For starters the chick that somehow won a pulitzer prize for the 1619 project was just on tv talking about how rioting, looting, and burning isnt violence.

But the absolute best twitter to follow is Chris Palmer twitter. Writer covering the NBA who was on there screaming to burn down Minneapolis. And that the Atlanta mayor was wrong to want peaceful protests as burning down a city is the only way to get attention. But then in a great twist of fate, the rioters started approaching his neighborhood in LA, and all of a sudden he was calling the cops to come save his [BLEEP].

(06-03-2020, 12:06 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 10:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I was just having this discussion with my twenty-something daughter.

Hopefully she can derive her own opinions, without having to rely on the opinion coming from the Archie Bunker Generation (aka Baby Boomers).

Most 20 year old's are much more aware and compassionate to other races than are the Baby Boomers or X Generation.  The Baby Boomers are the worst.

Whatever you say, Meat Head.

So that's it? The best argument put forth in response to JJ was small sample size, and it's pretty lame.

(06-03-2020, 11:50 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:39 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Again, MBJ - who the hell is endorsing chaos? Not me. This has a fun strawman you cats have been playing with for the better part of last week and I'm just poking holes in it. 

No, I don't endorse ANTIFA. No, I don't endorse White Supremacists, undercover police officers, etc. simultaneously exploiting ANTIFA's history and black anger. No, I don't endorse uncategorized agitators. No, I don't endorse the bailing out of arsonists/looters/rioters. 

I do support peaceful protests. I do support black America. I do support the constitutional right we have to peacefully assemble & protest. I do support bail-out initiatives for arrested peaceful protesters - much like I would have if police didn't exercise their restraint for a primarily white and heavily armed protest in MI two weeks ago over, checks notes...state-issued stay-at-home orders.

This was in a link posted on this thread that absolutely justifies and maybe even applauds the violence, destruction, and murder going on in cities across the country.:

Quote:[font=Lato, sans-serif]Would they be worth a riot, if they were executed with their faces pressed into the pavement while pleading for breath that was denied until there was no breath left?
Would they be worth a spontaneous street corner bonfire if every person in power turned their heads away from your mourning?
Would they be worth a sustained, full-throated demand for justice if that justice was perpetually denied?

Would they be worth a smashed window or a burned out storefront if that was the only option left to wake the world up to your grieving?[/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif] [/font]
[font=Lato, sans-serif]I know mine would be.[/font]

I will attempt to honestly answer your leading question "how far are you willing to endorse the chaos?", (even though you are clearly just looking for ammunition to get on a moral high horse about liberals endorsing criminal acts, which can then be used to diminish the very real grievances that people are protesting about.)

Firstly, as I have stated before in one of these threads, I, personally, do not endorse violence or vandalism. I would not choose those methods to make my point. 

Secondly, I want to repeat the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people protesting in America and around the world, and 99%+ of those people are doing so peacefully. It is not chaos. I fully support their right to protest, and I fully support the reasons why they are protesting. If I was in the states I would be out there with them.

Thirdly, the violence and looting is being done by a relatively small number of people compared to the peaceful protesters. That doesn't make it right, but it's true. I condemn this behavior. However, (and here comes your ammunition) it is vitally important to look at the context of historic, economic, and sociological reasons as to why people are doing this. So many of you guys want to talk about honesty, but fail to look at the effect that centuries of oppression has on individuals, communities, and society as a whole. I'm sure you will see this as me trying to justify criminal acts... I am simply trying to understand the conditions that exist that lead to this behavior. To be truly balanced, when we talk about violence out there, I have seen so many videos of police using force, unprovoked, against peaceful protesters. This also needs to be part of the conversation.

Lastly, I wouldn't feel right if I didn't comment on the link Bullseye provided (it's ok to say his name you know). It was a powerful piece that served to highlight the raw emotional pain that many black people have felt for a long time, and continue to feel. While you cherry picked a segment to back up your point, the piece as a whole was asking people to put themselves in the shoes of others, and to think about how they would feel if this kind of injustice happened to someone they loved. It was asking people to consider how far they would go to try to do something about the injustice. It was about empathy. You may not agree with it, but it was not a call to riot and be violent. It was insight into how strongly feel about this, and why people feel the need to be destructive to be heard. Again, you can paint this as me justifying criminal actions all you want.

(06-03-2020, 12:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-03-2020, 11:10 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, I live in Mexico, avocados don't have the same stigma here.

WHAT?   Where do you live?  I've been to MX City, Puebla, Guadalajara, Chapala, and Puerto Vallarta on numerous occasions (usually visit MX once every 2 years).  Don't worry, I won't come scope you out, just curious as to what city you currently live and which soccer team you may support, if any?  I'm a fan of the Chivas (Guadalajara) and root for Pumas as my secondary team (MX City).

You are correct with regard to avacados.  In MX, it's just another vegetable in which they use in various dishes or simply eat in a tortilla (like my mexican-born wife does).

I live in Playa Del Carmen, big touristy place about an hour south of Cancun. Beautiful beaches, weather and people, for the most part. Been here for getting on 7 years now. No soccer team near here is the only massive drawback... I did get to see Toluca beat America (the club soccer team that is, in case anyone in this thread is about to bash me for being anti-american lol) last year which was an awesome experience.

If you do ever make it to this part of the country feel free to send me a message and we can go for a cerveza or ten.

(06-03-2020, 12:30 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]People havent been endorsing the looting and violence?  Probably should pay attention a little bit more.  For starters the chick that somehow won a pulitzer prize for the 1619 project was just on tv talking about how rioting, looting, and burning isnt violence.

But the absolute best twitter to follow is Chris Palmer twitter.  Writer covering the NBA who was on there screaming to burn down Minneapolis.  And that the Atlanta mayor was wrong to want peaceful protests as burning down a city is the only way to get attention.  But then in a great twist of fate, the rioters started approaching his neighborhood in LA, and all of a sudden he was calling the cops to come save his [BLEEP].

RCF, the argument/assumption is that anyone on here that's expressed any sympathy to protesters and/or their cause is endorsing/condoning anarchy. 

My stance is that I have yet to see anyone on here do that, despite multiple accusations